20yr Old Bloodwork Results, Not Good at All... Need advice!

[DosXX]

But you were still using clomid when you test was 870 right? Does your doc just plan on your staying on clomid forever? B/c when you stop levels should do down significantly.

Yes you're right I'm still taking clomid and I have no doubt if I stop clomid my levels will go down..

Staying forever on clomid? That's a good question. This is just a temporary treatment because my fiancee and I are planning to have a baby some time next year and this is pretty much the reason I'm holding back getting test shots.

 

[XtremePhysique1]

Thought I would update my status.

Saw an endo....long story short, went over everything and he said he wants to put me on testim, get blood work in 4 weeks, and see me again in 6 weeks. this was earlier this week, and I've just had the testim sitting at my house because I don't think this is the best idea. With my test at about 210, wouldn't taking testim suppress my natural test levels even further? I'm only 20, I have no interest in getting on TRT for life....I definitely plan on having kids one day.

I was thinking of calling him tomorrow and expressing my concern that this would be taking a step backwards instead of forward....he seems to think that the testim could 'boost' my levels though. Sure it could give me a boost, but as soon as I get off, wouldn't there be a strong possibility that my levels would be LOWER than the 210 they started out as due to the testim shutting my natural test production down?

If he doesn't do anything else, what should I do? I just want to feel normal again, I'm tired of being so lethargic everyday. Getting an appointment with an endo where I'm at is a MINIMUM of 3 weeks anywhere, I'm almost wanting to just get clomid myself and see what happens.

I would appreciate any feedback. It sucks being this young and not only having this low testosterone to deal with, but the fact that I'm having to question my own Dr's logic on something he should know be very familiar with.

 

[Thebigone]

some of these dr's are idiots. He thinks testim can "boost levels" well, sure they can so will regular test injects but that not "boosting" "natural" levels. Testim will still shut you down the same as an aas cycle and when you go off it will be even harder to recover. Personally if i was in your boat i'd try running something like this
500iu hcg ED for 20days with 20mg nolvadex
then do a month of clomid at 50mg ed with nolvadex at 20mg ed

then wait about 6-8weeks and get bloodwork done and see what happens. If levels improved from the 210 significanly like lets say your around 350, thats still low but a big improvement then wait another 8weeks and get another test. If they jump up higher then your good just let your body get everything back to normal. If you see no improvements at all from the hcg/clomid and your levels are still low like 210 then odds are your probably never going to recover and may want to think about permanent hrt.

 

[adrenaline]

Wow interesting info on the clomid, I had no idea how well it worked until I read these test results. Thanks for the info guys.

 

[minister]

Try the clomid therapy and HCG, but also get on some natural alternatives kid, get yourself some D-asparctic acid, zinc, DHEA and Tribulus, these 4 work wonders for me for improving test levels. Keep us posted, God bless you.

 

[halflife]

Thought I would update my status.

Saw an endo....long story short, went over everything and he said he wants to put me on testim, get blood work in 4 weeks, and see me again in 6 weeks. this was earlier this week, and I've just had the testim sitting at my house because I don't think this is the best idea. With my test at about 210, wouldn't taking testim suppress my natural test levels even further? I'm only 20, I have no interest in getting on TRT for life....I definitely plan on having kids one day.

I was thinking of calling him tomorrow and expressing my concern that this would be taking a step backwards instead of forward....he seems to think that the testim could 'boost' my levels though. Sure it could give me a boost, but as soon as I get off, wouldn't there be a strong possibility that my levels would be LOWER than the 210 they started out as due to the testim shutting my natural test production down?

If he doesn't do anything else, what should I do? I just want to feel normal again, I'm tired of being so lethargic everyday. Getting an appointment with an endo where I'm at is a MINIMUM of 3 weeks anywhere, I'm almost wanting to just get clomid myself and see what happens.

I would appreciate any feedback. It sucks being this young and not only having this low testosterone to deal with, but the fact that I'm having to question my own Dr's logic on something he should know be very familiar with.

Do you live in VA or Northeastern NC by any chance? I worked closely with a medical school/hospital there that the founder and his wife practically brought repro medicine to the US 70 years ago. It used to be the only place that trained people on reproductive medicine in the US. I could give you more info if you live in that area, it would be a great place for you - if your in the area.

 

[lightofmyboner]

Thought I would update my status.

Saw an endo....long story short, went over everything and he said he wants to put me on testim, get blood work in 4 weeks, and see me again in 6 weeks. this was earlier this week, and I've just had the testim sitting at my house because I don't think this is the best idea. With my test at about 210, wouldn't taking testim suppress my natural test levels even further? I'm only 20, I have no interest in getting on TRT for life....I definitely plan on having kids one day.

I was thinking of calling him tomorrow and expressing my concern that this would be taking a step backwards instead of forward....he seems to think that the testim could 'boost' my levels though. Sure it could give me a boost, but as soon as I get off, wouldn't there be a strong possibility that my levels would be LOWER than the 210 they started out as due to the testim shutting my natural test production down?

If he doesn't do anything else, what should I do? I just want to feel normal again, I'm tired of being so lethargic everyday. Getting an appointment with an endo where I'm at is a MINIMUM of 3 weeks anywhere, I'm almost wanting to just get clomid myself and see what happens.

I would appreciate any feedback. It sucks being this young and not only having this low testosterone to deal with, but the fact that I'm having to question my own Dr's logic on something he should know be very familiar with.

1) This is not something you should be asking random people on the internet about. This is something for which you should seek and FOLLOW advice from a QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL, such as your doc and endo which you've already seen.

2) If you had cancer, would you get it treated? If you had type 1 diabetes, would you use insulin? Or would you rather spend the rest of your (possibly extremely short, in the case of the previously named examples) life dealing with the fact that you're unhealthy and not taking advantage of medical technology to allow you to live as a happy and functional human being?

 

[Thebigone]

^^^ Right but HRT doc's are so clueless most of the time the members here know more. I agree with stuff like cancer and diabetes,etc.. but when it comes to trt and hrt most people on this site know more than a credited doc. example, his doc said testim "should" "boost" test levels LOL i've heard other docs say "ohh your fine" when range is 200-800 for test and a 24yr old kid is at 300. Some doc's prescribe 1mg Adex 1x per week and some recommend 1 shot of cyp 1x per month. They are fucking clueless.

 

[GSD]

i am curious what business a 20 yo kid has taking steroids.... seriously, were you born without testicles? you cant produce enough natural test to mature naturally?

do you need someone to hold the gun so you can shoot yourself in your foot, dude seriously!!!

 

[BigEnough]

1) This is not something you should be asking random people on the internet about. This is something for which you should seek and FOLLOW advice from a QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL, such as your doc and endo which you've already seen.

2) If you had cancer, would you get it treated? If you had type 1 diabetes, would you use insulin? Or would you rather spend the rest of your (possibly extremely short, in the case of the previously named examples) life dealing with the fact that you're unhealthy and not taking advantage of medical technology to allow you to live as a happy and functional human being?

What a stupid post. He never asked anyone to cure him... He's simply asking for advice. How is he not taking advantage of "medical technology". He's going to the doctor, What else would you like him to do? He's picking brains to see if anyone's been in his shoes with the same problem. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Elvia1023]

i am curious what business a 20 yo kid has taking steroids.... seriously, were you born without testicles? you cant produce enough natural test to mature naturally?

do you need someone to hold the gun so you can shoot yourself in your foot, dude seriously!!!

You seriously don't have a clue what your talking about. What an ignorant statement. Some people are just dealt a bad hand at times... nothing major... or they made a move (AAS, pro hormones etc) without proper knowledge and are experiencing what the poster is. I think you were dealt a shitty hand too but that has nothing to do with test levels.

To the poster. It is a arkward situation. I understand why you don't want to go the TRT route at your age. But it may be the best and only eventual outcome... ok you can hold it off but all measures are temporary. Listen to what others have said. Try and see other specialists and don't follow what people online write. It is true many docs are clueless but they are medically trained and can monitor you personally and best advice you on most matters.

Personally clomid sounds good but what are you gonna do after that. You can't stay on clomid forever and I wouldn't recommend it. You can still have kids after TRT but there are certain measures you must follow to ensure your probability is greater.

Keep us posted on your progress.

 

[Vinman66]

1) This is not something you should be asking random people on the internet about. This is something for which you should seek and FOLLOW advice from a QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL, such as your doc and endo which you've already seen.

2) If you had cancer, would you get it treated? If you had type 1 diabetes, would you use insulin? Or would you rather spend the rest of your (possibly extremely short, in the case of the previously named examples) life dealing with the fact that you're unhealthy and not taking advantage of medical technology to allow you to live as a happy and functional human being?

"Random people on the internet???" These aren't "random people". This board for the most part is about AAS and I agree with a number of the comments that assuming doctors know more about HRT than some of the members here is short sighted. Personally, I would NOT get HRT advice from a doctor. From what I've read from the person that started this thread and from friends of mine that have used doctors for HRT advice most of them haven't a clue! Don't compare cancer or diabetes to HRT bro, both of those disease states can kill a person, and of course in those situations people are going to seek the advice and care of a physician.

 

[GSD]

obviously this 20yo kid had a bad reaction to aas.... STOP taking them kid, dont play around.... take some time off from them, some permanent time off and your body will recover in a few years.... you're 20yo, your body is still growing, you will recover in time... dont let some quack put you on HRT.

 

[gt1]

^^^ Right but HRT doc's are so clueless most of the time the members here know more. I agree with stuff like cancer and diabetes,etc.. but when it comes to trt and hrt most people on this site know more than a credited doc. example, his doc said testim "should" "boost" test levels LOL i've heard other docs say "ohh your fine" when range is 200-800 for test and a 24yr old kid is at 300. Some doc's prescribe 1mg Adex 1x per week and some recommend 1 shot of cyp 1x per month. They are fucking clueless.

what do you do in this case then? because ive got test in the low range at 21 years old, natty.
i cant start self medicating test. done all the usual things like eat saturated fat, omega 3, vit d and e etc what is left?

currently 6" 203lbs and around 12% so not too small lol

 

[Thebigone]

what do you do in this case then? because ive got test in the low range at 21 years old, natty.
i cant start self medicating test. done all the usual things like eat saturated fat, omega 3, vit d and e etc what is left?

currently 6" 203lbs and around 12% so not too small lol

If you have never done aas or pro-hormones then you may just have low test. Its rare but very possible. If thats the case then you just need to decide if you want to live with low test or do your own HRT since dr's are so fucked up they wont give a script unless its out of the low range. If your concerned for legal issues you can try to search around and find an HRT place online or overseas who gives you a script b/c even if they are not doing it legally its not the customers fault. Nothing can happen you. Now if you did use aas or ph's in the past then I suggest you run the hcg/clomid pct I stated in one of the posts above and wait a while and get tested again and if nothing improves you may want to weigh your options about self prescribed hrt.

 

[lightofmyboner]

What a stupid post. He never asked anyone to cure him... He's simply asking for advice. How is he not taking advantage of "medical technology". He's going to the doctor, What else would you like him to do? He's picking brains to see if anyone's been in his shoes with the same problem. There's nothing wrong with that.

Jesus Christ, you are a fucking moron. Going to the doctor, disregarding his advice, and then going to an internet forum to ask about what he should do is not taking advantage of years of medical research and experience. It's ignoring the advice of a qualified professional for the sake of listening to retards like you.

Clearly you totally missed the point of my post.

"Random people on the internet???" These aren't "random people". This board for the most part is about AAS and I agree with a number of the comments that assuming doctors know more about HRT than some of the members here is short sighted. Personally, I would NOT get HRT advice from a doctor. From what I've read from the person that started this thread and from friends of mine that have used doctors for HRT advice most of them haven't a clue! Don't compare cancer or diabetes to HRT bro, both of those disease states can kill a person, and of course in those situations people are going to seek the advice and care of a physician.

Steroid usage does not = HRT. A doctor is trained in dealing with medical issues to bring someone back to normal levels. They deal with deviations from normal and attempt to make those with abnormal health profiles normal. People that use steroids to get big are themselves deliberately adopting an abnormal hormonal state. Someone going to the doctor because their test levels aren't high enough for them to easily be big and jacked isn't the same as someone getting treated because they can't function as a normal male.

For some reason, with the advent of the internet, everybody seems to think they're more qualified to deal with their medical condition than actual physicians. And no, self-medicating with steroid usage for the purposes of getting abnormally large is not equivalent to treating someone for TRT.

And the examples I used are perfectly relevant. The OP is stating he doesn't want to go on TRT because it will make his body's own natural T levels go even lower. Well, if his body's own natural T levels are abnormally low to the point that he's unhealthy, it doesn't fucking matter how much he doesn't WANT to be dependent on exogenous T. Like any medical condition, it's something that he either has to

1) get treated and live life happily
2) don't get treated and accept the consequence
.

This is fucking simple.

 

[BigEnough]

Jesus Christ, you are a fucking moron. Going to the doctor, disregarding his advice, and then going to an internet forum to ask about what he should do is not taking advantage of years of medical research and experience. It's ignoring the advice of a qualified professional for the sake of listening to retards like you.

Clearly you totally missed the point of my post.



Steroid usage does not = HRT. A doctor is trained in dealing with medical issues to bring someone back to normal levels. They deal with deviations from normal and attempt to make those with abnormal health profiles normal. People that use steroids to get big are themselves deliberately adopting an abnormal hormonal state. Someone going to the doctor because their test levels aren't high enough for them to easily be big and jacked isn't the same as someone getting treated because they can't function as a normal male.

For some reason, with the advent of the internet, everybody seems to think they're more qualified to deal with their medical condition than actual physicians. And no, self-medicating with steroid usage for the purposes of getting abnormally large is not equivalent to treating someone for TRT.

And the examples I used are perfectly relevant. The OP is stating he doesn't want to go on TRT because it will make his body's own natural T levels go even lower. Well, if his body's own natural T levels are abnormally low to the point that he's unhealthy, it doesn't fucking matter how much he doesn't WANT to be dependent on exogenous T. Like any medical condition, it's something that he either has to

1) get treated and live life happily
2) don't get treated and accept the consequence
.

This is fucking simple.

lol you mad bro?

 

[lightofmyboner]

lol you mad bro?

lol, you know you're wrong and can't handle it.

Quite admirable, really.

 

[lazer05]

Many Dr's and Endo's are VERY uninformed and untrained on TRT or HRT. These things are new and so very few reguar Dr's or Endo's that have not specialized in these two fields really know much less than most people on here (most of us know this firsthand!)

Check for posts by researchstop as he/she posted good studies done on Exemestane that showed it may be much better than arimidex or nolvadex at stimulating test levels. You may be better off with that and clomid if you really want to avoid actually using test. Maybe worth checking on more, I would post a link but I have to run and can't remember where that was.

If your test is naturally low unfortunately you will prob need TRT... Doubt years of clomid and arimidex/Exemestane is healthy... This is all new stuff the Dr's have not fully studied or tested long term yet for the most part... Good luck bro

 

[lightofmyboner]

Many Dr's and Endo's are VERY uninformed and untrained on TRT or HRT. These things are new and so very few reguar Dr's or Endo's that have not specialized in these two fields really know much less than most people on here (most of us know this firsthand!)

Check for posts by researchstop as he/she posted good studies done on Exemestane that showed it may be much better than arimidex or nolvadex at stimulating test levels. You may be better off with that and clomid if you really want to avoid actually using test. Maybe worth checking on more, I would post a link but I have to run and can't remember where that was.

If your test is naturally low unfortunately you will prob need TRT... Doubt years of clomid and arimidex/Exemestane is healthy... This is all new stuff the Dr's have not fully studied or tested long term yet for the most part... Good luck bro

When it comes to intelligent AAS usage and PCT, as well as some of the new anti-aging medicine (e.g. HGH and TRT), many doctors can be clueless, yes. When it comes to treating a hypogonadal 20-year old, though, that's an extremely different story.

One thing a lot of people (not necessarily people on these forums) fail to realize is the simple fact that there is a serious health risk associated with using SERMs and AI's. As a matter of fact, a lot of the bad side effects people report and blame their AAS for are actually effects that most likely arose thanks to their concurrent use of SERMs and AIs. They are far from being benign drugs, but clomid has actually been shown to be relatively non-toxic in smaller doses in males while still being able to boost T levels.

As far as this kid goes, doing research and getting advice is exactly what he should be doing, but he shouldn't be going AWOL on his endo and just go ahead and buy clomid and "see what happens". He should get advice/do research, then discuss it with his endo who is actually professionally qualified to help him out and get him taken care of if anything goes wrong with his plan.

If his endo is shitty and terrible at contact, get a new endo. For his own sake, I just don't think he should be self-medicating to "see what happens" when that mentality is likely exactly what's responsible for him fucking up his T levels in the first place.