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250 test 600 NPP. No need for an AI/caber. Am I understanding this right?

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I have AI and caber on hand in good quantity but here are the reasons I think I wouldn't need either on this kind of cycle.

No need for or very low dose AI because.. on 250 test I dont really require an AI and NPP only aromatizes 20% the rate of testosterone.

No need for caber because it generally becomes elevated on 19 nors due to side effects from the high test aromatizing and allowing for more prolactin on 19nor runs.

meintenance dose of Test --> low estrogen conversion --> reduced production ofEstrogen --> reduced production of prolactin.


I think we are all past the whole you need to run test greater than deca or it will shut you down thing right.

thanks guys
 

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Each person is individualized. Some will still need the AI and some wont. Yes Deca still fucks with some peoples dicks and some it doesnt. Your just gonna have to run it and see how you respond.
 

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The good thing is that you have ai and caber in hand. It comes down to seeing how your body responds cause like kscowboy says, everyone reacts differently
 

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Estro levels and prolactin blood serum will vary on a case to case basis..Not everyone will metabolize hormones the same, and some people possess more activating/deactivating enzymes or vs verse..

I don't get prolactin related signs, but that doesnt mean my serum is off the charts, I know it gets off the charts and I take caber, due to the fact that when I run NPP,drol, or tren I cant cum to save my life..When I keep estro and prolactin in check, not only can I cum, but the re-manufacturing state is almost instant and I'm ready for round 2 or 3..

Bloods is the only real true indicator to see where you are, where you are possibly heading and where you may end up..
 

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I personally wouldn't use either. No AI since 250mg is too low for me to need one and no caber because the studies that came out on it scared me.
 

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I personally wouldn't use either. No AI since 250mg is too low for me to need one and no caber because the studies that came out on it scared me.

As the others stated it's an individual thing and some would need an AI and others wouldn't. NH you have never take caber and are doing just fine so it's definitely not essential. Although caber is a great drug but it should not be used during an entire cycle imo. Dopamine agonists have a place especially when using nandrolone and certain peptides but again I don't recommend staying on them all year like many do. They have a pronounced effect on brain chemistry so shouldn't be used lightly. If prolactin is high I can guarantee caber will bring it down and super fast for most people. So it is useful but I would use it sensibly and just use it to get blood levels back in range because high prolactin is crap :eek::D
 

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As the others stated it's an individual thing and some would need an AI and others wouldn't. NH you have never take caber and are doing just fine so it's definitely not essential. Although caber is a great drug but it should not be used during an entire cycle imo. Dopamine agonists have a place especially when using nandrolone and certain peptides but again I don't recommend staying on them all year like many do. They have a pronounced effect on brain chemistry so shouldn't be used lightly. If prolactin is high I can guarantee caber will bring it down and super fast for most people. So it is useful but I would use it sensibly and just use it to get blood levels back in range because high prolactin is crap :eek::D



I used caber a really long time ago. Twice but one of the times it was from Manpower and it's anybody's guess what was in those capsules.
 

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I am going to add 600mg masteron E to cycle. I am confident with this addition an AI will be unneccery. I will get blood work at week 4-5 if i dont get bad side effects just to make sure the Mast E is in full effect.

Enhanced athlete just release a video advising 800+ deca with no test at all as a lean mass protocol. Interesting because docs do precribe deca without test and there are no reports of erectile dysfunction.
 

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I am going to add 600mg masteron E to cycle. I am confident with this addition an AI will be unneccery. I will get blood work at week 4-5 if i dont get bad side effects just to make sure the Mast E is in full effect.

Enhanced athlete just release a video advising 800+ deca with no test at all as a lean mass protocol. Interesting because docs do precribe deca without test and there are no reports of erectile dysfunction.

1) Keep in mind that Mast is NOT an AI, and yes it does have some very small AI properties, but it will not lower E2.
2) Each person is different and if I took Deca by itself, it would 100% fuck with my dick.
 

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1) Keep in mind that Mast is NOT an AI, and yes it does have some very small AI properties, but it will not lower E2.
2) Each person is different and if I took Deca by itself, it would 100% fuck with my dick.

you right on the masteron not being an AI. I wasnt going to be using an AI initially anyways. Im really taking it in order to have a mild DHT
 

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I just got tested for my trt about a month ago. I was only on 150mg test c sub q 50mg 3x a week no ai and my estrogen was 80(which is high for me) so it can and does happen so blood work is always the best way!
 

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I just got tested for my trt about a month ago. I was only on 150mg test c sub q 50mg 3x a week no ai and my estrogen was 80(which is high for me) so it can and does happen so blood work is always the best way!
Agreed. And most guys won't exhibit any sort of gyno symptoms at such a low dose, so blood work is always paramount. I will notice intermittent hot flashes way before itchy nips, etc.
 

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