26 lab work,,,,really low test results!

[qbkilla]

I got my lab results back for getting my thyroid and test levels checked...

A little history...im 26,,,have cycled on and off (time on = time off) since I was 18,,,not consistant though, maybe 5-6 cycles. I have been clean for about 6 months. I seem to always lose gains when I come off,,,,and havent been able to gain anything naturally even with a good trainer and diet. Major libido issues as well, unless I use cialis. So im looking into HRT and got my test reults back....


Testostorone Total - 198 (249-836)
T4 and TSH
TSH 2.8 (.4-4.5)
T4- 6.4 (4.5-12)
LH 1.2 (1.7-8.6)
FSH 3.7 (1.5-12.4)
Free Testosterone 3.8 (9.3-26.5)

Any feedback from some of you guys who know alot about these numbers and HRT? The doc at patient first referred me to an endo. He said my LH is low so they might try and fix that, not just put me on testosterone.

Considering im 26 any idea what the endo is going to say after looking at these numbers?

 

[Thebigone]

I'd try running 500iu hcg everyday for 20days along with 20mg nolvadex. Then once thats done run clomid at 100mg for 20days followed by 50mg for 20days and then wait about 6weeks and get a retest and see what happens. If no change then odds are you'll need hrt. Imo well over %70 of most who cycle on and off and do pct will eventually need hrt and they just dont know it b/c they never get tested to see if they fully recover.

 

[biggerthanu]

I know I would need HRT if I were to ever come off forever.

 

[biggerthanu]

I know I would need HRT if I were to ever come off forever. Im about youre age. Im 25.

 

[tenny]

I got my lab results back for getting my thyroid and test levels checked...

A little history...im 26,,,have cycled on and off (time on = time off) since I was 18,,,not consistant though, maybe 5-6 cycles. I have been clean for about 6 months. I seem to always lose gains when I come off,,,,and havent been able to gain anything naturally even with a good trainer and diet. Major libido issues as well, unless I use cialis. So im looking into HRT and got my test reults back....


Testostorone Total - 198 (249-836)
T4 and TSH
TSH 2.8 (.4-4.5)
T4- 6.4 (4.5-12)
LH 1.2 (1.7-8.6)
FSH 3.7 (1.5-12.4)
Free Testosterone 3.8 (9.3-26.5)

Any feedback from some of you guys who know alot about these numbers and HRT? The doc at patient first referred me to an endo. He said my LH is low so they might try and fix that, not just put me on testosterone.

Considering im 26 any idea what the endo is going to say after looking at these numbers?

well......what did you expect?????.....really????
what was your PCT protocol during this time???

HRT at 26????......unreal and sad

 

[Cornelius]

6 months is a long time to still have rock bottom numbers....
I would get with a good doctor rather than approach this on my own.
Good luck!

 

[gstracer]

well......what did you expect?????.....really????
what was your PCT protocol during this time???

HRT at 26????......unreal and sad

Tenny just a question here but why do u have to bash this guy. sometimes ur input on here is not very helpfully bro. some people do deserve ur cruel input but this guy with what he explains sounds just like about 80-90 percent of guys on here. cycle time on = time off. 5-6 cycles over the course of 7 years, did PCT had a trainer with great diet and still loses everything off cycle, now his test levels are low and you saying to him what would u expect. well IMO that a pretty dumb question to ask. now if he was on for 2 years came off then ya say " well buddy what did u think would happen". But I'll tell u rhat this is basically my protocol too on = off. PCT with hcg. blah blah. so why don't u tell all of us what we are doing that's so wrong with what he said considering 80 percent of us on this site prolly does what he did. I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest just looking for what WE ALL should change thanks man and look forward to hearing your real input.

 

[gstracer]

and just wanted to say if he didn't do a PCT then excuse my post all together thanks

 

[tenny]

Tenny just a question here but why do u have to bash this guy. sometimes ur input on here is not very helpfully bro. some people do deserve ur cruel input but this guy with what he explains sounds just like about 80-90 percent of guys on here. cycle time on = time off. 5-6 cycles over the course of 7 years, did PCT had a trainer with great diet and still loses everything off cycle, now his test levels are low and you saying to him what would u expect. well IMO that a pretty dumb question to ask. now if he was on for 2 years came off then ya say " well buddy what did u think would happen". But I'll tell u rhat this is basically my protocol too on = off. PCT with hcg. blah blah. so why don't u tell all of us what we are doing that's so wrong with what he said considering 80 percent of us on this site prolly does what he did. I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest just looking for what WE ALL should change thanks man and look forward to hearing your real input.

where did i say ANYBODY did ANYTHING wrong?????
thats not for me to judge.....and i really dont care anyway

all i'm saying is wtf do you expect for fucking around with hormones???
you think your gonna be MR O????

and we dont have the whole story anyway.....and never will
YOU dont know how long or how mant times or this or that
there is two sides to every story......then theres the truth

i actually feel bad for him.....because he obviously EXPECTED more
when its just NOT the case......EVER

all of you set yourself up for disappointment....and i'll say it again

ITS SAD

 

[qbkilla]

well......what did you expect?????.....really????
what was your PCT protocol during this time???

HRT at 26????......unreal and sad

bro i pretty much did everything according to what i was reading on the boards at the time. hcg curing cycle, swales protocol...usually nolva or clomid for PCt....dosages were a little high.

not suprised by the results at all. id figure im in the same boat as anyone who uses AAS.

im actually glad they came back shitty, i would be pissed if my test levels came back good and then i wouldn't know why i cant make gains in the gym with a good trainer who is a sponsor, good diet, working hard in the gym, etc.

so atleast i know where im lacking and now i can maybe get HRT and see some gains and fix my libidio issues.

im mainly wondering how bad you guys think my numbers are and if they will give me HRT based on these numbers or say im too young.

 

[tenny]

bro i pretty much did everything according to what i was reading on the boards at the time. hcg curing cycle, swales protocol...usually nolva or clomid for PCt....dosages were a little high.

not suprised by the results at all. id figure im in the same boat as anyone who uses AAS.

im actually glad they came back shitty, i would be pissed if my test levels came back good and then i wouldn't know why i cant make gains in the gym with a good trainer who is a sponsor, good diet, working hard in the gym, etc.

so atleast i know where im lacking and now i can maybe get HRT and see some gains and fix my libidio issues.

im mainly wondering how bad you guys think my numbers are and if they will give me HRT based on these numbers or say im too young.

well i have news for you.....

your test levels considering.....are NOT that bad

most of the time, guys get SO used to their "libido" at skyrocket
they forget how it is for a nomal person

you cant seem to keep gains 6 months after cycle????
welcome to reality!!!!

as soon as you can come to terms with being a normal person (when off)
the better you'll be with it....as soon as some of the REAL vets
read your post....they will agree with me

you'll figure it out

 

[gyno]

Tenny, what you say is true, but you just ALWAYS come off as a dick. Candor goes a long way sometimes.

well i have news for you.....

your test levels considering.....are NOT that bad

most of the time, guys get SO used to their "libido" at skyrocket
they forget how it is for a nomal person

you cant seem to keep gains 6 months after cycle????
welcome to reality!!!!

as soon as you can come to terms with being a normal person (when off)
the better you'll be with it....as soon as some of the REAL vets
read your post....they will agree with me

you'll figure it out

 

[tenny]

Tenny, what you say is true, but you just ALWAYS come off as a dick. Candor goes a long way sometimes.

haha......my wife says the SAME THING!!!!!

 

[brutale]

bro i pretty much did everything according to what i was reading on the boards at the time. hcg curing cycle, swales protocol...usually nolva or clomid for PCt....dosages were a little high.

not suprised by the results at all. id figure im in the same boat as anyone who uses AAS.

im actually glad they came back shitty, i would be pissed if my test levels came back good and then i wouldn't know why i cant make gains in the gym with a good trainer who is a sponsor, good diet, working hard in the gym, etc.

so atleast i know where im lacking and now i can maybe get HRT and see some gains and fix my libidio issues.

im mainly wondering how bad you guys think my numbers are and if they will give me HRT based on these numbers or say im too young.

I think the thing to do is work with the endo. You are not totally shut down. I'd guess he'd try a "re-start" first before committing you to HRT. I have no clear idea how often re-starts work when you are still low 6 months later. My guess is your odds are good - these interventions have helped plenty of people with longstanding hypogonadism from various causes.

If you can't get the numbers higher over time, they would justify HRT. HRT is good - I'm on it - but at your age, it'd be better to restore HPTA.

 

[gyno]

haha......my wife says the SAME THING!!!!!

smart woman

 

[tenny]

smart woman

yea she is....the funny part is

i already know im a dick

 

[gstracer]

so with that said Tenny what kind advise can u give some one like myself? with help keeping gains and possible making gain off cycle. or are u saying that it is impossible. do u cycle or are do u blast and cruise? I'm 27 and will prolly be on hrt one day but not sure if I wanna start yet. if u need more info just let me now what u wanna know to help me out thanks

 

[fitnessjess]

well tenny wtf do you expect fucking around with your hormones? like someone else said why dont you tell him what he did that was so wrong, stupid or sad, considering he hasnt done anything you havent done, wait youve probably actually done more im sure. so why dont you enlighten him with your inteligence on the subject?

 

[tenny]

i dont have ANY answers.....because there is NONE!!!!

but IF.......i had to say something!!!!

i would say...
-stay consistant....with everything, intensity,diet,training practices
regardless of gear use
ask anybody that has had SOME success with bodybuilding
they will say the same.....of course when you come off....
YOU WILL LOSE.....but, how much is the question

-have realistic goals.....dont EVER plan on turning pro
or any of that bullshit...

-variety of life is key

 

[fitnessjess]

ok, thats some good advice. i stand corrected. i guess you do just come off as a dick.:star-w:rs