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Have you researched cardiovascular risk and insulin? Great study by Herman is quite all-encompassing (and applies at bottom to AAS users and not just diabetics). Also, have you considered the strong correlation between insulin levels and morbidity in light of AAS-induced independent risk factors for development of type 2 diabetes, including elevated triglycerides; ↓HDL, ↑Apo B, ↓Apo A1 (dyslipidemia), endothelial dysfunction (altered arterial tone ⇒ atherosclerosis), atherosclerosis (factors: platelet adhesion, aggregation, thrombogenecity ⇒ inflammation), hypertension, and prothrombotic activity?

Herman, M. E., O’Keefe, J. H., Bell, D. S. H., & Schwartz, S. S. (2017). Insulin Therapy Increases Cardiovascular Risk in Type 2 Diabetes. Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases, 60(3), 422–434. doi:10.1016/j.pcad.2017.09.001

I only bring this up with you because I know you'll look into this more deeply, and I want guys to make good risk-balancing decisions, but you've got to actually know the risks to do so!
come on man, put the conversation in context. Guy is planning on running 2 grams of deca and you're saying insulin is dangerous. A few units of insulin a day is extremely safe for a bodybuilder, especially if we're considering it being an alternative to raising the AAS dose to a very dangerous level.
 
MK can be dangerous but NOTHING makes the scale move like MK. One single dose is like 5lbs on the scale, 3 days in and you might be 15lbs heavier. I don't know but I doubt even corticosteroids have this pronounced an effect on BW.
Insane appetite too but the weight is all water obviously. I doubt anyone can use this compound without gaining weight. Is there a stronger appetite stimulant?
For me….thc
 
You're not abnormal. Insulin never made me feel hungry either. But it does sometimes make me feel hypoglycemic - which is a lousy feeling all over. Dizzy, weak, nauseous. But once I get to starting eating post workout, there is no stopping me until I'm ready to burst. And the insulin seems to open up all the metabolic pathways for absorption so digestion behaves more like a wood chipper than a slow lump of calories plodding along through my gut all day.

But the dark side of insulin for me is that it will turn me into one fat bastard if I don't restrain my calories to a point. Which pretty much means restrain my insulin use. Many here seem to have digestion problems and are hard gainers. My biggest problem is putting the brakes on my eating. Man, I love to eat. I just got over a once in 30years puking stomach bug so I'm loving my appetite back! I'm eating right now - 2 cups of cooked jasmine rice and peas w/2 tbsp real organic butter and salt along with two of these 10oz Tyson chicken breasts also buttered with Old Bay seasoning. Delicious. But I dropped to 3ius R today. The 4 ius seems too much for me.

I'm quite sure some of the guys I know who train with me and some of you guys combined could work our way across this state east to west eating everything that isn't nailed down. From philly cheesesteaks, to 2nd St Shawarma in Harrisburg, to sandwiches at Primanti Bros in the 'burgh.
The cod sandwich at primanti bothers is to die for
 
For me….thc
That helps too. But whereas normally I can only eat a half of a small pizza, with MK I'd eat a whole pizza and drinking 2 quarts of milk and then immediately start making some other food. Just absurd appetite. Enjoyment from eating on a whole new level. It's like a week after starting MK I'm always 20lbs heavier with cankles.

I don't know how effective that progesterone appetite booster that Chad Nicholls recommends is but I doubt it's as potent as MK.
 
That helps too. But whereas normally I can only eat a half of a small pizza, with MK I'd eat a whole pizza and drinking 2 quarts of milk and then immediately start making some other food. Just absurd appetite. Enjoyment from eating on a whole new level. It's like a week after starting MK I'm always 20lbs heavier with cankles.

I don't know how effective that progesterone appetite booster that Chad Nicholls recommends is but I doubt it's as potent as MK.
Mk never did give me an appetite increase. Neither does eq. What helps me is eating foods that agree with me. Small amounts of insulin post meal, and moderate thc usage. I basically only smoke about 20 minutes prior to meals and it makes me hungry enough to eat them. If I smoke at other times I pig out on a bunch of junk and then can’t eat my macros
 
Well said 👏🏿 ^^^
Thank you. I've been posing so much in the mirror yes even off season season sometimes 30 to 60 minutes consecutive days sometimes I think the words just come after you look at your physique and you see your flaws and improve them.

Appreciate the back compliment as well.
 
Bro I'm gonna need you to change your name to Lilleo180

Jk brother, i was once in your shoes, realized i have shit genetics and shit dedication towards getting huge so stuck with TRT and low dose just to look good at the beach
 
OP, i glanced at ur pics and tbh i was expecting a weak physique but u got a good shape and some stand out muscle groups.
i cant remember how tall u said u were... but not being tall and being a jacked and lean 180 lbs aint too common bro. ya look good.
i dont know what your competition goals r but MUST u put on size for the category ur in? maybe a more refined and balanced 180 lbs would look like 190 lbs...
considering the stack of AAS ur on, i dont think 2gm of deca is gonna change anything too much beside adverse things like likely worse bp and water retention.
if u dont make ur living or dont plan to make ur living bbing then fack man accept your size and stay lean and u will look and feel better than a bloated mess on 2gm deca....
 
I'm always cutting and bulking. Everytime i bulk up by the time i hit 170 my appetite disappears. Im never hungry. I just eat because i know i have to. Pretty sure this is because my body fat starts getting too high and ghrelin (hunger hormone) goes away.

@Lilleo187 I know a lot of people give you shit, and I used to be one of them, but you know what; I have to respect the honesty and the quick willingness to post pics whenever you’re asked to do so…

You look good, can’t deny that. I think it’s the dosages you take to reach that look that people have a problem with… But, whatever, your body your choice, right? Lol..

I do think though that sometimes members will chime in with some advice and you seem to have a rebuttal ready when that advice doesn’t jive with what you want to hear so things can get misconstrued and come off the wrong way, perhaps on both ends… Just a friendly observation I’ve made…

Now I do have a serious question;

Is dropping your dose for a couple months, to say about 200mg Test ONLY completely out of the question? And if it is, why?

Now hear me out, I’m saying it because you’ve admitted to being on a pretty decent dose of gear for a few years straight now.. And while some people think receptor saturation and down regulation etc is all bullshit, there might be some truth to it…

I mean, when we drink alcohol, our body builds a tolerance.. With Weed the same thing… With calories even, our body gains weight and then those surplus calories now become our maintenance calories..

Why not take a little break, go down to TRT (ish) doses of Test, give your body a break, eat some good food, keep training hard etc, then in like 2 months blast the shit out of whatever you want and see if that works?? If it doesn’t then you know not to do that shit again lol… I feel like it’s worth a try..
 
There's an argument to be made that GH and Slin should/could be started alongside your very first T injection. There are a bunch of characters in our niche that have floated this idea and it makes sense to me. You could keep leaner, get away with less androgens, potentiate those androgens and so on.

If the competitive fella posted is Lilleo then he got in very good condition so he does have some kind of discipline. Others may be better at shoveling calories but can never get in proper condition.

Not saying his idea of 2 grams of Deca is the best but Deca only cycles have been done, and done a lot, by bbers we all admire. According to Chavez Deca used to be prescribed as TRT for decades and in his word "worked" to a degree. Of course he has this idea that suitable T replacements are the androste derivatives, Dbol, EQ, Turinabol (I think). But anyway...
He’s 180…

Stop
 
First of all im not a kid. Far from it.

2nd of all in not going to wait till I'm 50 to try a high dose.
If you’re 180..

You still a kid. 2g of deca won’t get you out of it… remember when your mom told you to finish your plate so you can grow and be big? She had a point
 
Just because they’re drugs doesn’t mean they’re that dangerous. GH and insulin are very safe and very low in side effects. I don’t know where you’re coming from to be honest. I’ve always been told AAS+GH+slin was the way.
insulin is very dangerous. You accidentally pull out more than you need and you’re chasing your tail trying not to go hypo..

You accidentally pull out 3 ml of test instead of 1 … nothin happens
 
Haha is this thread real. Fuck that shit. That’s nonsense 2 grams of anything is overkill. 180lbs? Do you even eat?
 
Let's keep this thread going, it's brilliant.

How much Tren are you currently running?

2g Nandrolone with 1g Trenbolone per week min... Then and you will get twice as many girls messaging you on IG. Its a no brainer "bro".
Dude I added 2g nandrolone to my 700mg/wk of trenbolone and i had to deactive my instagram because I was getting TOO MUCH pussy. Like supermodels, hookers that go to dubai to have princes crap on their chest, porn stars, bikini girls, etc. My inbox was flooded with offers and my dick was getting sore from cumming 5 times a day in the orificices of 10/10 girls. "thanks" for the advice, you basically ruined my life and it's stayed sore for like 3 weeks after deactiving my insta.
 
insulin is very dangerous. You accidentally pull out more than you need and you’re chasing your tail trying not to go hypo..

You accidentally pull out 3 ml of test instead of 1 … nothin happens
It's really not that dangerous, years ago when I 1st tried slin I pinned 70iu thinking it was 7 iu, I was shaking and kept pounding sugar but I didn't go out or anything.
 
@Lilleo187 I know a lot of people give you shit, and I used to be one of them, but you know what; I have to respect the honesty and the quick willingness to post pics whenever you’re asked to do so…

You look good, can’t deny that. I think it’s the dosages you take to reach that look that people have a problem with… But, whatever, your body your choice, right? Lol..

I do think though that sometimes members will chime in with some advice and you seem to have a rebuttal ready when that advice doesn’t jive with what you want to hear so things can get misconstrued and come off the wrong way, perhaps on both ends… Just a friendly observation I’ve made…

Now I do have a serious question;

Is dropping your dose for a couple months, to say about 200mg Test ONLY completely out of the question? And if it is, why?

Now hear me out, I’m saying it because you’ve admitted to being on a pretty decent dose of gear for a few years straight now.. And while some people think receptor saturation and down regulation etc is all bullshit, there might be some truth to it…

I mean, when we drink alcohol, our body builds a tolerance.. With Weed the same thing… With calories even, our body gains weight and then those surplus calories now become our maintenance calories..

Why not take a little break, go down to TRT (ish) doses of Test, give your body a break, eat some good food, keep training hard etc, then in like 2 months blast the shit out of whatever you want and see if that works?? If it doesn’t then you know not to do that shit again lol… I feel like it’s worth a try..
This is your best advice right here. Then just do a classic bulker for 20 ish weeks. Theory is you'll gain most size in 10 weeks, then hold it for 10 weeks(or longer) to reset your base weight
 
This is your best advice right here. Then just do a classic bulker for 20 ish weeks. Theory is you'll gain most size in 10 weeks, then hold it for 10 weeks(or longer) to reset your base weight
That’s basically how I blast. I like longer cycles because holding the weight for a while sort of cements it and it becomes easier for me to maintain with less work
 
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