2iu HGH worth it?

[marssel]

So I haven’t ran GH in years. But I use to run 4ius ED and really could tell a difference within 2-3 weeks. But now I’m 53 and not trying to be Ronnie and I know tge quality of GH has came a long way in tge past 15 years I haven’t ran it. So my question is, is 2ius worth the time and money. Just looking for health benefits but also a bit of visual difference as well. Thank you for any constructive help.

Dude 2 ius if it’s good GH at 53 will make you feel 10 years younger as far as fat and muscle prolly nothing major but feeling better will obviously affect your training in a positive way.

 

[aDw32]

I saw that one via google search. I was hoping there was something more compelling one way or another.

Insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I, IGF binding protein-3, and cancer risk: systematic review and meta-regression analysis - PubMed

Circulating concentrations of IGF-I and IGFBP-3 are associated with an increased risk of common cancers, but associations are modest and vary between sites. Although laboratory methods need to be standardised, these epidemiological observations could have major implications for assessment of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plasma levels of insulin-like growth factor-I and lung cancer risk: a case-control analysis - PubMed

Plasma levels of IGF-I are higher and plasma levels of IGFBP-3 are lower in patients with lung cancer than in control subjects. If these findings can be confirmed in prospective studies, measuring levels of IGF-I and IGFBP-3 in blood may prove useful in assessing lung cancer risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Insulin, insulin-like growth factors and colon cancer: a review of the evidence - PubMed

Insulin and insulin-like growth factor (IGF) axes are major determinants of proliferation and apoptosis and thus may influence carcinogenesis. In various animal models, modulation of insulin and IGF-1 levels through various means, including direct infusion, energy excess or restriction...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Role of the insulin-like growth factor family in cancer development and progression - PubMed

The insulin-like growth factors (IGFs) are mitogens that play a pivotal role in regulating cell proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis. The effects of IGFs are mediated through the IGF-I receptor, which is also involved in cell transformation induced by tumor virus proteins and oncogene...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Freedom69]

I would say minimum 4iu

 

[Jerry5000]

2 is ok, 4 is the sweet spot for me. I like taking it early in the morning fasted and no food for an hour after. Then again 15 mins before the gym in the afternoon and sip on a meal supplement shake during the workout.

 

[xpoc]

Insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I, IGF binding protein-3, and cancer risk: systematic review and meta-regression analysis - PubMed

Circulating concentrations of IGF-I and IGFBP-3 are associated with an increased risk of common cancers, but associations are modest and vary between sites. Although laboratory methods need to be standardised, these epidemiological observations could have major implications for assessment of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plasma levels of insulin-like growth factor-I and lung cancer risk: a case-control analysis - PubMed

Plasma levels of IGF-I are higher and plasma levels of IGFBP-3 are lower in patients with lung cancer than in control subjects. If these findings can be confirmed in prospective studies, measuring levels of IGF-I and IGFBP-3 in blood may prove useful in assessing lung cancer risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Insulin, insulin-like growth factors and colon cancer: a review of the evidence - PubMed

Insulin and insulin-like growth factor (IGF) axes are major determinants of proliferation and apoptosis and thus may influence carcinogenesis. In various animal models, modulation of insulin and IGF-1 levels through various means, including direct infusion, energy excess or restriction...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Role of the insulin-like growth factor family in cancer development and progression - PubMed

The insulin-like growth factors (IGFs) are mitogens that play a pivotal role in regulating cell proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis. The effects of IGFs are mediated through the IGF-I receptor, which is also involved in cell transformation induced by tumor virus proteins and oncogene...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

OK in reading these studies, best I can tell, if you have cancer your IGF will likely be elevated. The 2nd study specifically states IGF is higher in subjects with cancer. My question is... did the IGF CAUSE the cancer or did the cancer cause the increase in IGF? If you read the details there is no mention of exogenous HGH (that I saw) but the factors cited included diet, lifestyle etc. I am not arguing against you, I am truly trying to learn if exogenous HGH decreases lifespan. Or is the IGF/Cancer correlation similar to the chicken and the egg (which came first).

 

[control]

So I haven’t ran GH in years. But I use to run 4ius ED and really could tell a difference within 2-3 weeks. But now I’m 53 and not trying to be Ronnie and I know tge quality of GH has came a long way in tge past 15 years I haven’t ran it. So my question is, is 2ius worth the time and money. Just looking for health benefits but also a bit of visual difference as well. Thank you for any constructive help.

If your main goal is health/anti-aging, I actually think TB-500 might be better than HGH. I just stocked up on TB-500 and I plan on taking it indefinitely. I've taken it temporarily before to help heal injuries, now I want to see what it does long-term.

BTW, I also take HGH (I'm 48).

 

[danieltx]

OK in reading these studies, best I can tell, if you have cancer your IGF will likely be elevated. The 2nd study specifically states IGF is higher in subjects with cancer. My question is... did the IGF CAUSE the cancer or did the cancer cause the increase in IGF? If you read the details there is no mention of exogenous HGH (that I saw) but the factors cited included diet, lifestyle etc. I am not arguing against you, I am truly trying to learn if exogenous HGH decreases lifespan. Or is the IGF/Cancer correlation similar to the chicken and the egg (which came first).

HGH doesn't cause cancer, period. There are binding proteins that prevent it. If HGH caused cancer we'd have legions of bodybuilders dead from cancer over the last 30 years.

Pure IGF has potential to accelerate cancer growth BUT that's only if cancer cells are already present.

I often think of what the legendary @concreter said - you guys do more damage to your health by worrying about things than with any of the stuff you actually do.

 

[xpoc]

OK in reading these studies, best I can tell, if you have cancer your IGF will likely be elevated. The 2nd study specifically states IGF is higher in subjects with cancer. My question is... did the IGF CAUSE the cancer or did the cancer cause the increase in IGF? If you read the details there is no mention of exogenous HGH (that I saw) but the factors cited included diet, lifestyle etc. I am not arguing against you, I am truly trying to learn if exogenous HGH decreases lifespan. Or is the IGF/Cancer correlation similar to the chicken and the egg (which came first).

Replying to my own post (nerd) but reading these studies is akin to comparing white blood cell count to cancer. People with cancer have increased white blood cell count. IF, I were to somehow inject white blood cells into my system, would that CAUSE the cancer? Or does cancer cause the white blood cells. I would assume the same would apply to IGF. Does IGF (hgh) cause cancer? Or does cancer cause the rise in IGF? I suspect in these studies the people did not use hgh. Instead, they already HAD cancer and as a result their IGF spiked. I don't necessarily think, these people randomly had high IGF and that caused the cancer.

 

[Freedom69]

HGH does not cause cancer . Never heard of someone getting cancer from HGH

 

[Stewie]

Longitudinal studies are what we should be looking at in non-mutated growth factors and immunological receptors- genomic instability.

That's where I'd start looking at in population studies with the aforementioned.

 

[slesh]

HGH doesn't cause cancer, period. There are binding proteins that prevent it. If HGH caused cancer we'd have legions of bodybuilders dead from cancer over the last 30 years.

Pure IGF has potential to accelerate cancer growth BUT that's only if cancer cells are already present.

I often think of what the legendary @concreter said - you guys do more damage to your health by worrying about things than with any of the stuff you actually do.

This thread has gone full retard. 2iu a day …

 

[OldManLogan]

More info. IGF, aging and HGH discussed.

 

[PST_Dyno]

Answering the original post... No 2iu is not worth using imo.

 

[curcumin]

Answering the original post... No 2iu is not worth using imo.

it depends on what you want it for. If you want to just have a bump in IGF and recover faster and feel a little less run down as an older guy thinking about your lifespan. It absolutely is worth it. If you're 25 years old and in a progressive bulking phase using copious amounts of insulin/AAS then its absolutely worth using more GH. More is almost always better then with food, drugs, etc. But its a young man's game imo.

 

[joe 2013]

Answering the original post... No 2iu is not worth using imo.

It depends ...at 68 years of age just 1'5iu goes a long way...i garantee you that

 

[m302_imola]

To many factors to make the bold statement “2iu’s isn’t worth it”. I speak from personal experience and I’m 44 and I’ve been using 2iu’s nightly past couple years and my physique is the hardest/leanness it’s ever been. Even 2iu’s will “supercharge” aas whether blasting or cruising on hrt levels. Now will it be enough to make you a mass monster in conjunction with slin and aas? Well, I’d say the probability is low there. But from personal use at my age I’d def say it’s worth it. It also helps keep me full and vascular on low carb amounts when cutting or recomping.

 

[aHarness]

To many factors to make the bold statement “2iu’s isn’t worth it”. I speak from personal experience and I’m 44 and I’ve been using 2iu’s nightly past couple years and my physique is the hardest/leanness it’s ever been. Even 2iu’s will “supercharge” aas whether blasting or cruising on hrt levels. Now will it be enough to make you a mass monster in conjunction with slin and aas? Well, I’d say the probability is low there. But from personal use at my age I’d def say it’s worth it. It also helps keep me full and vascular on low carb amounts when cutting or recomping.

I’d say if your goal is to actual have it make you a better bodybuilder, it’s not worth it.

 

[Brock456]

I’d say if your goal is to actual have it make you a better bodybuilder, it’s not worth it.

Any gh is better than no gh

 

[aHarness]

Any gh is better than no gh

Yes, but when not speaking in a vacuum if I could only afford 2iu I’d wait and save it for when I could afford more.

 

[PST_Dyno]

it depends on what you want it for. If you want to just have a bump in IGF and recover faster and feel a little less run down as an older guy thinking about your lifespan. It absolutely is worth it. If you're 25 years old and in a progressive bulking phase using copious amounts of insulin/AAS then its absolutely worth using more GH. More is almost always better then with food, drugs, etc. But its a young man's game imo.

I am an older guy. I get absolutely nothing out of 2iu except a lighter wallet. I use Sero or Geno at 8-9 IU normally. If I couldn't I wouldn't waste the money. I'd spend it on something worth my time/money or wait until I had enough to afford a proper amount of GH. I've also yet to see someone who built an amazing physique on 2iu or can actually prove that they didn't chnage anything else about their diet , supplementation, drugs, etc to prove that 2iu is actually doing anything. Which is the case for a lot of the anecdotal reports we read, very little hard data backed up by controlling variables or proving a change based on bloodwork, logs, pics etc. Same for most of the peptides we hear about. "X" peptide is great.... oh btw I also started taking peptides "z" and "y" at the same time and hired a new coach and moved to Thailand but don't mind those variables... I REALLY believe that it's that one thing I wanted to believe did all the work......