2iu HGH worth it?

pickapeck · Feb 2, 2025

PST_Dyno said:
I am an older guy. I get absolutely nothing out of 2iu except a lighter wallet. I use Sero or Geno at 8-9 IU normally. If I couldn't I wouldn't waste the money. I'd spend it on something worth my time/money or wait until I had enough to afford a proper amount of GH. I've also yet to see someone who built an amazing physique on 2iu or can actually prove that they didn't chnage anything else about their diet , supplementation, drugs, etc to prove that 2iu is actually doing anything. Which is the case for a lot of the anecdotal reports we read, very little hard data backed up by controlling variables or proving a change based on bloodwork, logs, pics etc. Same for most of the peptides we hear about. "X" peptide is great.... oh btw I also started taking peptides "z" and "y" at the same time and hired a new coach and moved to Thailand but don't mind those variables... I REALLY believe that it's that one thing I wanted to believe did all the work......

Do you know what your IGF-1 is at 8-9 iu/d?

PST_Dyno · Feb 2, 2025

pickapeck said:
Do you know what your IGF-1 is at 8-9 iu/d?

I had bloodwork done two weeks ago. I did not change my dosing regimen for the test, I break up my dosing throughout the day usually 2 morning, 3 post training, 3 before bed on training days and 2 am, 4 early afternoon, 3 before bed on non-training days.

So the last 3iu I had was approximately 12 hrs prior to bloodwork, IGF -1 was 336ng/ml

aHarness · Feb 2, 2025

PST_Dyno said:
I am an older guy. I get absolutely nothing out of 2iu except a lighter wallet. I use Sero or Geno at 8-9 IU normally. If I couldn't I wouldn't waste the money. I'd spend it on something worth my time/money or wait until I had enough to afford a proper amount of GH. I've also yet to see someone who built an amazing physique on 2iu or can actually prove that they didn't chnage anything else about their diet , supplementation, drugs, etc to prove that 2iu is actually doing anything. Which is the case for a lot of the anecdotal reports we read, very little hard data backed up by controlling variables or proving a change based on bloodwork, logs, pics etc. Same for most of the peptides we hear about. "X" peptide is great.... oh btw I also started taking peptides "z" and "y" at the same time and hired a new coach and moved to Thailand but don't mind those variables... I REALLY believe that it's that one thing I wanted to believe did all the work......

Just like with the GLP1s we see this a lot with.

“X glp1 made me lose 20lbs” meanwhile they actually whipped their training into place and ate significantly less

pickapeck · Feb 2, 2025

PST_Dyno said:
I had bloodwork done two weeks ago. I did not change my dosing regimen for the test, I break up my dosing throughout the day usually 2 morning, 3 post training, 3 before bed on training days and 2 am, 4 early afternoon, 3 before bed on non-training days.

So the last 3iu I had was approximately 12 hrs prior to bloodwork, IGF -1 was 336ng/ml

Consider the man that dose 5 iu/d and achieves that value 330 ng/dL. No matter how much GH used I don't think I've ever seen a whole lot more than in the 400s ng/mL IGF-1. To me it's the response more than the number of iu. Some people argue that IGF-1 isn't the whole story. I don't know about that. it's a damn good marker and we know it's a major player. Now consider a man in his mid 50s or early 60s and his IGF-1 is 100 ng/mL. He's trained all his life and now the response is going away. He does 2 iu a day and his IGF-1 goes to 250 ng/mL. I've seen that in a number of people. I'm one of them. It makes a difference for reasons I already posted in this thread. Thing is most here dream of 270 on stage. That isn't the only use. Good luck topping things out.

PST_Dyno · Feb 2, 2025

pickapeck said:
Consider the man that dose 5 iu/d and achieves that value 330 ng/dL. No matter how much GH used I don't think I've ever seen a whole lot more than in the 400s ng/mL IGF-1. To me it's the response more than the number of iu. Some people argue that IGF-1 isn't the whole story. I don't know about that. it's a damn good marker and we know it's a major player. Now consider a man in his mid 50s or early 60s and his IGF-1 is 100 ng/mL. He's trained all his life and now the response is going away. He does 2 iu a day and his IGF-1 goes to 250 ng/mL. I've seen that in a number of people. I'm one of them. It makes a difference for reasons I already posted in this thread. Thing is most here dream of 270 on stage. That isn't the only use. Good luck topping things out.

You asked a question where I answered that I did not dose my GH using the standard method of taking a very specific number of IU within a few hours of blood drawing. You also did not ask what my IGF-1 Levels are on other dosing protocols or no naturally without GH. That's not a good way to have me consider your argument or change my opinion in any way. This is another case of trying to assess data without the full story imo and supports what I believe even more fully which is that people go by feel and questionable judgement calls rather than real data. It's highly possible that my IGF-1 levels would be significantly higher if I dosed within a few hours of bloodwork, you're also not considering that I split my doses throughout the day and that my split changes based on whether I am on a training day or low carb/rest day.

IGF-1 levels definitely do not tell even close to the whole story, Chase Irons was using 18iu Sero/day for a very extened period and even then using the appropriate pre-bloodwork dosing protocol his IGF never went above 350-400 (from what I recall) and he made considerable gains. Some people get significantly boosted IGF-1 Levels from low doses and don;t look or feel any different. Serum IGF-1 Levels do not tell the story of what's happening locally within muscle tissue. Nor are they, imo,a reliable indicator of even something as simple as whether or not the GH is even real.

You're also not bringing into play the question of generics vs pharma, and I stand firmly in the corner that pharma is far superior to generics. In which case, from my perspective... there are many other life extending and health promoting drugs that I would look to first as an older person for the simple benefit of feeling better or healthier at a significantly lower cost than good GH. By significant I mean the cost difference is astronomical.

If someone wants to take 2iu of gh a day it really doesn't matter to me. I'm not here because I'm old and want to feel better. I'm here because I'm old and I want to be as strong and muscular as possible. So I'll stick with my statement that 2iu/day of GH is not worth it. But if it works for you then that's wonderful and you should continue.

pickapeck · Feb 2, 2025

PST_Dyno said:
You asked a question where I answered that I did not dose my GH using the standard method of taking a very specific number of IU within a few hours of blood drawing. You also did not ask what my IGF-1 Levels are on other dosing protocols or no naturally without GH. That's not a good way to have me consider your argument or change my opinion in any way. This is another case of trying to assess data without the full story imo and supports what I believe even more fully which is that people go by feel and questionable judgement calls rather than r...

You asked a question where I answered that I did not dose my GH using the standard method of taking a very specific number of IU within a few hours of blood drawing. You also did not ask what my IGF-1 Levels are on other dosing protocols or no naturally without GH. That's not a good way to have me consider your argument or change my opinion in any way. This is another case of trying to assess data without the full story imo and supports what I believe even more fully which is that people go by feel and questionable judgement calls rather than real data. It's highly possible that my IGF-1 levels would be significantly higher if I dosed within a few hours of bloodwork, you're also not considering that I split my doses throughout the day and that my split changes based on whether I am on a training day or low carb/rest day.

IGF-1 levels do not fluctuate as quickly as you suppose. That's why it is a better test than GH, which drops precipitous after injection. I think you are putting a lot of faith in split dosing. My life revolves around data. Not sure your point there. I track my own personal biology with testing and help a lot of people with theirs. I worked in clinical labs for years and was registered with the American Associatein of Clinical Pathologist for many years before I moved on to better things. But that's beside the point. The forum is full of experts.

IGF-1 levels definitely do not tell even close to the whole story, Chase Irons was using 18iu Sero/day for a very extened period and even then using the appropriate pre-bloodwork dosing protocol his IGF never went above 350-400 (from what I recall) and he made considerable gains. Some people get significantly boosted IGF-1 Levels from low doses and don;t look or feel any different. Serum IGF-1 Levels do not tell the story of what's happening locally within muscle tissue. Nor are they, imo,a reliable indicator of even something as simple as whether or not the GH is even real.

You are basing your conclusion on one guy that gained a ton of water plus some tissue. Chase had almost no boost in IGF-1. I wonder about his liver health. I'm sure he lost or would lose a ton of extracellular water and sarcoplasm if he drops his magadoses of AAS and GH. Probably there are IGF-1 independent mechanisms behind GH response. IGF-1 is a somatomedin. There are a number of them. To this day I don't think anyone knows how significant they are in a BBing application and many of them are secreted from the liver in response to GH stimulus, just like IGF-1. So IGF-1 is a good marker for GH response and is a major drivere to GH related action. Which ones do what? Who knows. There are also GH receptors on cells other than liver. I don't know if anyone has pulled that apart to understand how that would apply to BBing. IGF-1 does work in the muscle. There are three forms. All work on muscle tissue. Or maybe you think it's useless so your argument makes more sense.

You're also not bringing into play the question of generics vs pharma, and I stand firmly in the corner that pharma is far superior to generics. In which case, from my perspective... there are many other life extending and health promoting drugs that I would look to first as an older person for the simple benefit of feeling better or healthier at a significantly lower cost than good GH. By significant I mean the cost difference is astronomical.

Generics vs pharma was never in your argument that I addressed. So, you are pulling out a Red Herring. My point was that people have different goals and application for their GH use. I now understand that makes no difference to you and you probably think that the only way to use it is your way. I know it works for older people. It is restorative and then some. Rather than using drugs that are not part of the declining hormone cascade that the human body was designed for you would rather rely on some set of drugs for which there is no deficiency and have their own cascades except many of those lead to side effects. There is a pretty large body of literature you can look at, that is, if you were interested, which you probably are not since you dismiss my main point.

IGF-1 testing has revolutionized the GH market so pharma versus generics is less of an issue. You can talk to Janoshik if he would take the time. He has a very good video on this. As he states based on his own data, GH is also not nearly as unstable as described by dealers a decade ago trying to cover their asses for bunk GH. Certainly pharma does more tests than he does for things like trace metals, host cell proteins, residual DNA etc. Still, the market is way better than it was 10 years ago.

If someone wants to take 2iu of GH a day it really doesn't matter to me. I'm not here because I'm old and want to feel better. I'm here because I'm old and I want to be as strong and muscular as possible. So I'll stick with my statement that 2iu/day of GH is not worth it. But if it works for you then that's wonderful and you should continue.

You will be older one day if you are lucky. As I stated earlier and you make clear here. You care not for anyone but yourself and those that follow some strange myopic narrative about this protein somatotropin. Good luck on your experiments. If you don't know, keep an eye on your serum glucose and Hemoglobin A1c. Tracking your shoe shoe size might be a good idea too.

PST_Dyno · Feb 2, 2025

pickapeck said:
You asked a question where I answered that I did not dose my GH using the standard method of taking a very specific number of IU within a few hours of blood drawing. You also did not ask what my IGF-1 Levels are on other dosing protocols or no naturally without GH. That's not a good way to have me consider your argument or change my opinion in any way. This is another case of trying to assess data without the full story imo and supports what I believe even more fully which is that people go by feel and questionable judgement calls rather than real data. It's highly possible that my IGF-1 levels would be significantly higher if I dosed within a few hours of bloodwork, you're also not considering that I split my doses throughout the day and that my split changes based on whether I am on a training day or low carb/rest day.

IGF-1 levels do not fluctuate as quickly as you suppose. That's why it is a better test than GH, which drops precipitous after injection. I think you are putting a lot of faith in split dosing. My life revolves around data. Not sure your point there. I track my own personal biology with testing and help a lot of people with theirs. I worked in clinical labs for years and was registered with the American Associatein of Clinical Pathologist for many years before I moved on to better things. But that's beside the point. The forum is full of experts.

IGF-1 levels definitely do not tell even close to the whole story, Chase Irons was using 18iu Sero/day for a very extened period and even then using the appropriate pre-bloodwork dosing protocol his IGF never went above 350-400 (from what I recall) and he made considerable gains. Some people get significantly boosted IGF-1 Levels from low doses and don;t look or feel any different. Serum IGF-1 Levels do not tell the story of what's happening locally within muscle tissue. Nor are they, imo,a reliable indicator of even something as simple as whether or not the GH is even real.

You are basing your conclusion on one guy that gained a ton of water plus some tissue. Chase had almost no boost in IGF-1. I wonder about his liver health. I'm sure he lost or would lose a ton of extracellular water and sarcoplasm if he drops his magadoses of AAS and GH. Probably there are IGF-1 independent mechanisms behind GH response. IGF-1 is a somatomedin. There are a number of them. To this day I don't think anyone knows how significant they are in a BBing application and many of them are secreted from the liver in response to GH stimulus, just like IGF-1. So IGF-1 is a good marker for GH response and is a major drivere to GH related action. Which ones do what? Who knows. There are also GH receptors on cells other than liver. I don't know if anyone has pulled that apart to understand how that would apply to BBing. IGF-1 does work in the muscle. There are three forms. All work on muscle tissue. Or maybe you think it's useless so your argument makes more sense.

You're also not bringing into play the question of generics vs pharma, and I stand firmly in the corner that pharma is far superior to generics. In which case, from my perspective... there are many other life extending and health promoting drugs that I would look to first as an older person for the simple benefit of feeling better or healthier at a significantly lower cost than good GH. By significant I mean the cost difference is astronomical.

Generics vs pharma was never in your argument that I addressed. So, you are pulling out a Red Herring. My point was that people have different goals and application for their GH use. I now understand that makes no difference to you and you probably think that the only way to use it is your way. I know it works for older people. It is restorative and then some. Rather than using drugs that are not part of the declining hormone cascade that the human body was designed for you would rather rely on some set of drugs for which there is no deficiency and have their own cascades except many of those lead to side effects. There is a pretty large body of literature you can look at, that is, if you were interested, which you probably are not since you dismiss my main point.

IGF-1 testing has revolutionized the GH market so pharma versus generics is less of an issue. You can talk to Janoshik if he would take the time. He has a very good video on this. As he states based on his own data, GH is also not nearly as unstable as described by dealers a decade ago trying to cover their asses for bunk GH. Certainly pharma does more tests than he does for things like trace metals, host cell proteins, residual DNA etc. Still, the market is way better than it was 10 years ago.

If someone wants to take 2iu of GH a day it really doesn't matter to me. I'm not here because I'm old and want to feel better. I'm here because I'm old and I want to be as strong and muscular as possible. So I'll stick with my statement that 2iu/day of GH is not worth it. But if it works for you then that's wonderful and you should continue.

You will be older one day if you are lucky. As I stated earlier and you make clear here. You care not for anyone but yourself and those that follow some strange myopic narrative about this protein somatotropin. Good luck on your experiments. If you don't know, keep an eye on your serum glucose and Hemoglobin A1c. Tracking your shoe shoe size might be a good idea too.

Interesting that you came to the conclusion that I don't care about anyone else or think my way is the only way after clearly stating and genuinely meaning that if 2iu works for you then continue. Also I used Chase as one example and based on your response you very clearly don't know the length that he goes to to verify and show his health including in-depth bloodwork and full body organ imaging or the fact that he has been running no GH for quite a while now and cruising..... Interesting as well that you asked for one biomarker and then give me trouble for using a simple example of why that one biomarker isn't necessarily indicative of effectiveness or results. I don't base all my conclusions off of one example, my feet are fine and so is my bloodwork but thanks for the advice and have a good day bud.

CorgisOnTren · Feb 2, 2025

pickapeck said:
I wonder about his liver health.

pickapeck · Feb 2, 2025

PST_Dyno said:
Interesting that you came to the conclusion that I don't care about anyone else or think my way is the only way after clearly stating and genuinely meaning that if 2iu works for you then continue. Also I used Chase as one example and based on your response you very clearly don't know the length that he goes to to verify and show his health including in-depth bloodwork and full body organ imaging or the fact that he has been running no GH for quite a while now and cruising..... Interesting as well that you asked for one biomarker and then give me trouble for using a simple example of why that one biomarker isn't necessarily indicative of effectiveness or results. I don't base all my conclusions off of one example, my feet are fine and so is my bloodwork but thanks for the advice and have a good day bud.

I see you are a very emotional person. I'll let the facts settle in you like I do with my daughter.

OldManLogan · Feb 2, 2025

Isn’t the answer to “does 2 IU work” dependent on what your goals are, cost and if you achieve them?

For me, 2-3 IU after a few weeks I sleep better, recover better, fat loss seems to be enhanced- that’s a win for sure. Does it help me with anabolism? Don’t know. If I have to guess, raising my testosterone levels is handling that. Maybe it helps, maybe not so much at this dose ?

But for me, worth the $.

But of course, ymmv.

my_way · Feb 2, 2025

Damn talk about a proverbial bitch slap lmao

pickapeck said:
I see you are a very emotional person. I'll let the facts settle in you like I do with my daughter.

pickapeck · Feb 2, 2025

CorgisOnTren said:

1. Opps, he went off the mega dosing and lost 40 lbs. Guess I was right. 280 to 240. Where did he start? 235?
2. Opps, he has gall stones and fatty liver. I guess I was on the right track.
3. He will throw Tudca at the liver and continue his approach, probably diet, which will help the fatty liver to an extent. Not so sure Tudca is the miracle we hope for in this but probably will help the gall bladder.

PST_Dyno · Feb 2, 2025

my_way said:
Damn talk about a proverbial bitch slap lmao

Sorry, I didn't see that post. I have enough respect for my own daughter to not use her as a means of name-calling people on the internet who disagree with me. Perhaps I should be thankful that my daughter is well adjusted and doesn't have emotional issues because she was raised by a father who isn't a pompous ass and respects her..... I'll go back to my emotional state now.

alfresco · Feb 2, 2025

Take the personal posts to PM. Not appropriate here and now. And no complaining or wining. Thanks.

gungalunga · Feb 2, 2025

pickapeck said:
1. Opps, he went off the mega dosing and lost 40 lbs. Guess I was right. 280 to 240. Where did he start? 235?
2. Opps, he has gall stones and fatty liver. I guess I was on the right track.
3. He will throw Tudca at the liver and continue his approach, probably diet, which will help the fatty liver to an extent. Not so sure Tudca is the miracle we hope for in this but probably will help the gall bladder.

He has been taking retatrutide for a while now too. Since it works on a glucagon pathway, it is supposed to help with fatty liver along with appetite control and blood glucose management. Hopefully it works for him.

SAVAGEPMHNP · Feb 2, 2025

I’ve ran only 2-3 IUs for over a year. The last month or two I had been under dosing my GH unknowingly, and when I started dosing it properly again I was MUCH fuller in my muscles and immediately gained 2-3 lbs. of scale weight. It also has definitely helped keep me lean through the 60-ish pounds I’ve gained this year. My opinion is it’s definitely worth it!