5 Month Cycle

smallguy · Jul 21, 2014

I have ran 2 cycles with test and dbol. 1 cycle with test and eq, and 1 cycle with test and deca. My last cycle was eq and test and it was for about 5 months. Definitely notice a different being off, but I'm still holding well. My next cycle I want to try short esters for the first time and I want to throw less amounts of more compounds in rather than high dosing 2 long esters. This is what I put together, can you guys critique me a little?

Also, I'm 5'9", 200, 27, 12%
Current:
Clean and Split Jerk - 275
Snatch - 205

Goals:
Improve strength in olympic lifts and improve mobility to inhuman like capabilities. Very fascinated with flexibility and strength. Increase overall body mass to have a thicker look. I would like to be more flexible than I am now, and faster moving weight, at 20-30 lbs heavier. Im not a bodybuilder. My main focus is strength and speed with a heavier body weight.

Week 1-2 (Water at 1 gallon a day)
Test Propionate – 100mg/EOD
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 3-8 (Water at 2 gallons a day)
Test Propionate – 100mg/EOD
NPP 100mg/EOD
Dbol – 50/50/100/100 ED Week 5-8 (Split into 25mg doses)
Exemestane - 6.25mg/ED Week 5-8
Cabergoline - .5mg Monday/Thursday
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU Week
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 9-12 BRIDGE MONTH (CARB BACKLOAD)(Water at 2 gallons a day)
Test Propionate - 50mg/EOD
Primobolan - 100mg/ED
Clenbuterol - 40mcg Week 1, 80mcg Week 2
Anavar - 30mg/ED (Split into 3 doses)
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED
DELOAD MONTH (HIGHER REPS 10-15 SQUEEZING)(STRETCHING BETWEEN SETS)(Supersetts)
Emphasis on bringing down body composition to cause a rebound in the following weeks of higher AAS dosages.

Week 13-14 (Water at 1 gallon a day)
Test Propionate – 100mg/EOD
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU Week 13-14
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 15-20 (Increase water to 2 gallons a day)
Test Propionate – 100mg/EOD
Tren Acetate - 100mg/EOD
Anadrol – 50/50/100/100 ED Week 17-20 (Split into 25mg doses)
Exemestane - 6.25mg/ED Week 17-20
Cabergoline - .5mg Monday/Thursday
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU Week
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

alpha lifter · Jul 21, 2014

I understand you want to try long esters but I myself don't see any advantage with having to shoot 1ml of Prop EOD for 20 weeks [.5ml EOD weeks 9-12] over just using 200mg/ml - 250mg/ml Cyp/Enth. Less volume, less PIP, more room in the pin for NPP/Primo/Tren A etc. Some bloat less due to less buildup with shorter esters but the solid dose of Aromasin you'll use ED will offset most of that. Other then just getting to try Prop I just don't see why it would be better then other longer ester test base's.

You could finish with Prop so that you can start PCT sooner.

Just food for thought man, the entirety of the cycle looks good and you'll do well. Lot's of great stuff in there and those last five weeks with Tren/Abombs are going to be killer but get some Toremifene or Tamoxifen to have for the Abombs just to be safe Aromasin won't work.

chinaboy · Jul 21, 2014

The more I look at your cycle the more I like it. It looks like 2 mini cycles with a mini cycle bridge. Sort of. I think the cycle looks more fun than straight 2 compounds and will have a varieties of looks and feels to the compound changes. Yet will the end result land you in the same place? Is the juice worth the squeeze? Whatever the case you seem to know your stuff and have a thought out mesocycle with little micro-cycles. I'm interested as to your results.

Is your primo an acetate?

smallguy · Jul 21, 2014

Yes

Yes it would be primo acetate. But I may take that gentlemens advice as far as the test ester goes and maybe go with a longer one just for less frequency in pinning. I think I will keep the short esters in place and frontload 3 days out from my first pin with test. When I bridge if I do decide to use primo, I may use primo ETH version and pin 200mg/EOD, frontloading with 1200mg 3 days out before my first primo shot. I suppose that would be a little more user friendly. Thoughts all?

I also shortened the length of the cycle bringing it down to a 4 month cycle with plenty of compounds that work in synergy together at moderate dosages. What do you guys think?

4 weeks before cycle, carb backload with 100g Carbs a day Post Workout through the form of a shake, and a meal following with 50g Protein, 50g Carbs. Start dosing GH and Peptides before bed. Limit carbs to 150g a day during this 4 week period to further facilitate a rebound when more carbs are introduced when the anabolics start.

3 Days before first shot frontload:
Test Cypionate - 800mg
Week 1-2 (Water at 1 gallon a day)
Test Cypionate – 400mg/Week
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 3-6 (Water at 2 gallons a day)
Test Cypionate - 400mg/Week
NPP 150mg/EOD
Dbol – 50/50/100/100 ED (Split into 25mg doses)
Exemestane - 6.25mg/ED Week 3-6
Cabergoline - .5mg Monday/Thursday
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 7-10 BRIDGE MONTH (CARB BACKLOAD)(Water at 2 gallons a day)
Test Cypionate - 200mg/Week
Oral Primo - 100/100/150/150mg/ED
Clenbuterol - 40mcg Week 1, 80mcg Week 2
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED
DELOAD MONTH (HIGHER REPS 10-15 SQUEEZING)(STRETCHING BETWEEN SETS)(Supersetts)
Emphasis on bringing down body composition to cause a rebound in the following weeks of higher AAS dosages.
DO NOT TRAIN TO FAILURE

Week 11-12 (Water at 1 gallon a day)
Test Ethanate - 600mg/Week
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 13-16 (Increase water to 2 gallons a day)
Test Ethanate - 600mg/Week
Tren Acetate - 150mg/EOD
Anadrol – 50/50/100/100 ED (Split into 25mg doses)
Exemestane - 6.25mg/ED
Cabergoline - .5mg Monday/Thursday
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

smallguy · Jul 22, 2014

REVISED CYCLE

4 weeks before cycle, carb backload with 100g Carbs a day Post Workout through the form of a shake, and a meal following with 50g Protein, 50g Carbs. Start dosing GH and Peptides before bed. Limit carbs to 150g a day during this 4 week period to further facilitate a rebound when more carbs are introduced when the anabolics start.

3 Days before first shot frontload:
Test Cypionate - 800mg
Week 1-2 (Water at 1 gallon a day)
Test Cypionate – 400mg/Week
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 3-6 (Water at 2 gallons a day)
Test Cypionate - 400mg/Week
NPP 150mg/EOD
Dbol – 25/50/75/100 ED (Split into 25mg doses)
Exemestane - 6.25mg/ED Week 3-6
Cabergoline - .5mg Monday/Thursday
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 7-10 BRIDGE MONTH (CARB BACKLOAD)(Water at 2 gallons a day)
Test Cypionate - 200mg/Week
Oral Primo - 50/100/150/200mg/ED
Clenbuterol - 40mcg Week 1, 80mcg Week 2
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED
DELOAD MONTH (HIGHER REPS 10-15 SQUEEZING)(STRETCHING BETWEEN SETS)(Supersetts)
Emphasis on bringing down body composition to cause a rebound in the following weeks of higher AAS dosages.
DO NOT TRAIN TO FAILURE

Week 11-12 (Water at 1 gallon a day)
Test Ethanate - 500mg/Week
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 13-16 (Increase water to 2 gallons a day)
Test Ethanate - 500mg/Week
Tren Acetate - 150mg/EOD
Anadrol – 25/50/75/100 ED (Split into 25mg doses)
Exemestane - 6.25mg/ED
Cabergoline - .5mg Monday/Thursday
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 17-20 (PCT)
HCG 2500IU EOD
Clomid – 50/50/50/50
Oral Primo - 50/100/150/200mg/ED
Cialis - 5mg/ED
Clenbuterol - 40/80 Weeks 17-18
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU Week
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 21-24 (PCT)
Nolvadex - 40/40/20/20/ED
Cialis - 5mg/ED
Clenbuterol - 40/80 Weeks 21-22
Humalog - 9g Carbs/IU Week
GH - 3IU Morning, Pre WO, Pre BED

Week 25-28 (OFF TIME)
Cialis - 5mg/ED
REPEAT

smallguy · Jul 23, 2014

After doing some more research

After doing some more research about short cycles, I came across "short burst cycles". The time on is 4 weeks, and the time off is 8 weeks. Repeat. That would be a typical year round cycle. The idea is to frontload to get levels up as quick as possible in the beginning weeks. This is an approach that will allow me to only be on for 4 weeks at a time and a nice PCT after included in an 8 week off period. If I do run another cycle, it may look something like this. (AND THE BEST PART ABOUT IT, your only on test for the first 3 out of the 4 weeks of the actual cycle. That should interest a lot of you.)

8 Weeks before cycle prime the body by lowering body composition and creating the sponge effect for when AAS is introduced. Carb backload for 6 weeks with only 100g Carbs/ED. On non workout days only eat PROTEIN AND FAT.

3 Days before first pin, frontload:
Test Ethanate - 500mg
Tren Ethanate - 1200mg
Primobolan - 1000mg

Synthol Week 1-4
Synthol - 9 Days 1ML Each Head, 9 Days 2ML Each Head, 9 Dayd 3ML Each Head (Biceps/Triceps/Shoulders)

Week 1-2 (Up Carbs to 500g/Day)
Test Ethanate - 250mg/Week
Tren Ethanate - 225mg/EOD Week 1-2
Primobolan - 200mg/EOD Week 1-2
Anadrol - 50
Exemestane - 12.5mg/ED Week 2
Cabergoline - .5mg/Monday/Thursday
GH - 3IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 3 (Up Carbs to 750g/Day)
Test Ethanate - 250mg/Week
Tren Acetate - 100mg/EOD
Primobolan - 200mg/EOD
Anadrol - 100
Exemestane - 25mg/ED
Cabergoline - .5mg/Monday/Thursday
GH - 3IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Insulin - 9g Carbs/1IU Pre Workout x2/Day (2-125g Karbolyn Shakes)
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 4 (Up Carbs to 1000g/Day)
Tren Acetate - 100mg/EOD
Primobolan - 200mg/EOD
Anadrol - 100
Cabergoline - .5mg/Monday/Thursday
Exemestane - 25mg/ED
GH - 3IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Insulin - 9g Carbs/1IU Pre Workout x2/Day (2-125g Karbolyn Shakes)
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 5-8 (Carb Backload w/250g Carbs/Day)(Workout once a day)
HCG - 2500IU EOD
Clomid - 50/50/25/25
Cialis - 5mg/ED
Clen - 40/0/80/0
GH - 2IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Insulin - 9g Carbs/1IU Post Workout (WEEKS 7-8)
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 8-10 (Continue Carb Backloading w/150g Carbs/Day)
Nolvadex - 20mg/ED
Cialis - 5mg/ED
Clen - 0/40/0/80
GH - 2IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 11-12 (Continue Carb Backloading with 50g Carbs/Day)
GH - 2IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Propecia - 5mg/ED

REPEAT

3 Days before first pin, frontload:
Test Ethanate - 500mg
Deca - 1000mg
Masteron Ethanate - 1000mg

Synthol Week 13-16
Synthol - 9 Days 1ML Each Head, 9 Days 2ML Each Head, 9 Day 3ML Each Head (Biceps/Triceps/Shoulders Lateral Head)

Week 13-14 (Up Carbs to 500g/Day)
Test Ethanate - 250mg/Week
Deca - 225mg/EOD
Masteron Ethanate - 200mg/EOD
Dbol - 25/25
Exemestane - 12.5mg/ED Week 14
Cabergoline - .5mg/Monday/Thursday
GH - 3IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Propecia - 5mg/ED
Exemestane - 12.5mg/ED

Week 15 (Up Carbs to 750g/Day)
Test Ethanate - 250mg/Week
NPP - 100mg/EOD
Mast Prop - 100mg/EOD
Dbol - 50
Exemestane - 25mg/ED
Cabergoline - .5mg/Monday/Thursday
GH - 3IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Insulin - 9g Carbs/1IU Pre Workout x2/Day (2-125g Karbolyn Shakes)
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 16 (Up Carbs to 1000g/Day)
NPP - 100mg/EOD
Mast Prop - 100mg/EOD
Dbol - 50
Exemestane - 25mg/ED
Cabergoline - .5mg/Monday/Thursday
GH - 3IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Insulin - 9g Carbs/1IU Pre Workout x2/Day (2-125g Karbolyn Shakes)
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 17-20 (Carb Backload w/250g Carbs/Day)(Workout once a day)
HCG - 2500IU EOD
Clomid - 50/50/25/25
Cialis - 5mg/ED
Clen - 40/0/80/0
GH - 2IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Insulin - 9g Carbs/1IU Post Workout (WEEKS 19-20)
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 20-22 (Continue Carb Backloading w/150g Carbs/Day)
Nolvadex - 20mg/ED
Cialis - 5mg/ED
Clen - 0/40/0/80
Propecia - 5mg/ED

Week 23-24 (Continue Carb Backloading w/50g Carbs/Day)
GH - 2IU Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
GHRP2 and MOD GRF 129 - 100mcg Pre Bed, Pre WO, Morning
Propecia - 5mg/ED

SHORT BURST CYCLING
basic info

Muscle tissue doesn't grow continuously over long periods of time, weight gain and muscular growth doesn't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to whats being taken and builds up tolerance and adapts. If you look back over your cycle history you will notice the growth spurts within the cycles, we don't keep on growing because if we did we would all be 500lbs+. This method can build huge tissue gains in that short growth window if everything is in place.

Duration - Short burst cycling usually last for around 30 days, there is no set rule on the length of cycle and normally it can be open ended and stopped when growth slows/stops. You have to listen to the body and adjust, with burst cycling it shouldn't be ran for long periods of time, longer doesn't mean more or better gains.Keep it short and feed the growth window and build the tissue and stop, recover and maintain.

Dosages- The dose for a short burst cycle is alot more than you would normally use in a standard length cycle, because of the prime and the body being in a very anabolic environment it can take on board alot more than usual and over loading androgens will fully push the body to grow, it also takes time for the body to adjust to the high level of hormones in relation to sides so before you are experiencing them your off cycle. Over your cycle history you would of tried the heavy dosages and seen the sides come and where its not worth the risk's to muscle gain, this is why its kept to a short period before the body can adjust with sides the cycle is over and growth is completed. Individual dosages are designed off your cycle history, there is no set dose it all depends on what your cycle history looks like, someone who normally uses 500mg per wk will be completely different to the guy who uses 1500mgs per wk when designing short burst cycles, but both will have the benefit of using high amounts what they normally don't run.

Side effects- If your looking for the best effective way to run hormones without to much negative feedback staying on for long periods of time probably isn't the best option to take. Ive had far better blood work back from high burst cycles than when Ive ran longer cycles at alot less dosage. There is minimal impact on the HPTA and recovery is far easier than trying to bring back natural production from a long cycle, there is some elevated aggression because of the high amount of androgens but overall this can be channeled into your workouts. PCT should be painless and within normal boundaries of how you recover. Blood pressure in some can be a problem but not serious but needs to be checked throughout the period so aids can be used to combat the problem if needed. Water retention is low but can be elevated if this system is ran for long periods, but if there is a problem normal AI can be used to help this issue and OTC herbal diuretics. Tren user's within this system get bad BW results due to the harshness of the compound but boy does it produce gains but you have to be prepared to have a hard recovery and sides, kinda defeats the object but again, down to the individual.