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5on 2off or 6on 1off?

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I am running 2iu right now at 6 days a week. After my first kit ends i am somewhat stumped on how i want to run the rest of them. either 5on/2off at 4iu everday, or 6on/1off at 3iu ed. Looking for info. Running Redtops. will be running them for at least 8 more months( been on 1 month so far).

Thanks guys
 
4iu eod for fat loss, 15iu 3X a week for mass with slin/aas pwo via IM. IMHO. :D
 
for fatloss i pin only once am.... for muscle i pin only once pwo.

if i could afford it i would both pin 5iu eod in the am and 15iu pwo 3x week in conjunction with slin pwo. :D

btw i pin mine IM... anyone besides me notice site specific growth with this stuff?

Good call on that protocol, I'm going to try that when I start bulking with it with slin. I have gone IM for a month but didn't notice any site growth. What have you noticed and where have you been pining?
 
i have noticed muscles i pinned gh in bout 6 months ago are starting to really grow this cycle.

i was pinning my weak points last cycle with gh IM and now those week points are becoming strong. this cycle i am pinning different groups that i want to build up.

Interesting stuff. I never thought you could see gains from site injections from HGH...didn't think it worked that way. Thanks bro. :)
 
no problemo.... i was following gavin kane's protocol for gh and slin.

That's basically my plan minus the IGF he calls for in the only protocol I've seen of his. I've had too many people tell me they did the same thing without IGF and had fantastic results. Did you use IGF? If so, do you think it made a difference? Also, how long did you run his protocol for? Thanks!
 
for fatloss i pin only once am.... for muscle i pin only once pwo.

if i could afford it i would both pin 5iu eod in the am and 15iu pwo 3x week in conjunction with slin pwo. :D

btw i pin mine IM... anyone besides me notice site specific growth with this stuff?

Bro, hgh does not promote specific site growth. It has to have slin present in order for it to force the liver to produce igf-1. The igf-1 then travels throughout the body and attaches itself to receptors all over your body.
 
bro there are a few studies on line that suggest the validity of site specific growth from hgh and slin. or try it for yourself and see. :D


Regulation and action of insulin-like growth factors at the cellular level

L S Phillips, J B Harp, S Goldstein, C I Pao

Proceedings of the Nutrition Society , 49(3):451-458 1990


Present understanding of IGF-1 as a growth factor mediating integration of nutritional-hormonal interactions indicates that IGF-1 acts in both an endocrine mode on distant targets and an autocrine-paracrine mode on local targets. In the liver, the combined presence of GH, insulin, and critical metabolic fuels such as essential amino acids results in increased levels of IGF-1 messenger RNA, increased production of a high-MW IGF-1 precursor, and increased release of IGF-1 into the circulation, permitting action on distant target tissues bearing specific receptors for IGF-1. The net effect is distant amplification of anabolic hormone action via IGF-1 acting in an endocrine mode. In extrahepatic tissues, both 'general' anabolic hormones (insulin and GH) as well as 'specific' hormones (e.g. gonadotropins) acting on a wide variety of targets (including fibroblasts and chondrocytes as well as granulosa and Leydig cells) promote both local secretion of IGF-1 and an increase in IGF-1 receptors. Local actions of IGF-1 then result in a secondary increase in both hormone receptors and hormone responses. The net effect is local amplification of hormone action via IGF-1 acting as a growth factor in an autocrine-paracrine mode.

Other References:


1. Hertoghe T. Growth hormone therapy in ageing adults 4th Annual meeting of the American Academy of anti-aging Medicine, Las Vegas December 1996.

2. Bouillanne O, Rainfray M, Tissandier O et al. Growth hormone in elderly people: an age-delaying drug? Fundan Clin Pharmacol 1996 10 (5) 416-30.

3. Merimee TJ. Growth hormone secretion and action. Endocrinology DeGroot et al (eds) New York, NY 1979.

4. Thoren M, Hilding M, Baxter RR et al. Serum insulin like growth factor 1(IGF1), IGF binding protein -1 and -3 and the acid labile subunit as serum markers of body composition during growth hormone therapy in adults with GH deficiency. J Clin Endorinol Metabol 1997; 82 (1): 223-8.

5. Johansson JO , Landin K, Johannsson G et al. Long term treatment with growth hormone decreases plasminogen acitivator and tissue plasminogen activator in growth hormone deficient adults. Thromb Haemost 1996; 76 (3): 422-8.

6. Boonen S, Lesaffre E, Aerssens J. Deficiency of the growth hormone insulin like growth factor 1 axis potentially involved in age related abnormalities in body composition. Gerontology 1996; 42 (6): 330-8.

7. Bengt-Ake Bengtsson. Effects of Growth Hormone Deficiency 4th Annual meeting of the American Academy of anti-aging Medicine, Las Vegas December 1996.

8. Jansen YJ, Frolich M, Roelfsema F. A low starting dose of genotropin in growth hormone deficient adults. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997; 82 (1): 129-35.

9. Terry CL. Human growth hormone replacement therapy in adults 4th Annual meeting of the American Academy of anti-aging Medicine, Las Vegas December 1996.

10. Klatz R, MD Grow Young with HGH Harper Collins New York, NY 1997.


11. Smith R. A new receptor involved in the control of growth hormone secretion 4th annual meeting American academy of anti-aging medicine Las Vegas 1996.

I have tried it. I usually pin the muscle I worked out pwo with gh and slin. Hell, I've even gone as far to pin my weakest bp, chest for a week straight with gh and slin just to try that theory out. I haven't noticed anything significant. Now with lr3 or mgf, I can see how it can induce site specific growth because it is already igf-1 andthere is no need for gh to combine with slin in order to produce igf-1.
 
wow tons of conflicting info here. I have heard by numerous people who arnt exactly newbs with growth that you never want to take more than 3iu's per shot. And for muscle growth, running 10iu EVERY DAY spaced throughout the day with 2iu shots is the way to do it. That those who run high doses PWO only are confusing water retention with muscle growth and wasting their HGH. I would love to here you present your ideas in this thread. I think it would be a very informative and educating debate.



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wow tons of conflicting info here. I have heard by numerous people who arnt exactly newbs with growth that you never want to take more than 3iu's per shot. And for muscle growth, running 10iu EVERY DAY spaced throughout the day with 2iu shots is the way to do it. That those who run high doses PWO only are confusing water retention with muscle growth and wasting their HGH. I would love to here you present your ideas in this thread. I think it would be a very informative and educating debate.



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I've heard those arguements as well. Think about it though. The more hgh you do the longer your igf-1 levels are raised. That only goes up to a certain point though and after that any hgh is considered a waste. I believe dat has posted an interesting article where you explains that 15ius of hgh elevated igf-1 levels for 24 hours. I use 10ius pwo IM as my protocol for bulking and results for me prove that it works better than using low doses which I did experiment with in my earlier days. Here is something to think about as well. If the low dose method worked, you wouldn't have guys like jay or ronnie doing mega doses of hgh which is just an example.
 
if you were using slin, igf and hgh IM all pwo , what is the best routine for administering these, heard shout the hgh and wait 30 min for the slin, how have yall expereiced gains witht this and just shooting em all same time pwo
 
search around for gavin kanes protocol... also there were a few threads up where bigA and a few others said 20iu once a week.

i have had really good results with gavins protocol.

There's one thing I disagree with his protocol. I don't feel as though the use of lr3 is necessary. Hgh only requires slin to elevate natural igf-1 levels in your body. Lr3 is known to be a mild glucose transporter and it would be useless to add that because slin in it of itself is a very good glucose transporter. I've also used his protocol which included lr3 and honestly I have not seen a difference with lr3 use. I know this other vet bro on another board and he works with pro bbers. He says that those pros believe in the golden triangle which I can definately agree with. Test, slin, hgh=golden triangle. Those are the 3 basic compounds to put on a lot of lean muscle mass. This is my view on this topic but I'm fine and cool with you other bros that disagree.
 
i am not using igf this time around... but i did last cycle of gh and slin... i dont know exactly whats doing what (i am using only gh and slin this time)... all i know is that i have gone from 200lbs to 220lbs in a little over 4 weeks... and i still have 1.5 kits to go through using this dosing scheme.:D :D

Your igf-1 levels are increasing when you add hgh and slin. I've gone up 5 pounds since using hgh and slin. I've also lost 2% bf which is also a bit strange but I'm not complaining, hehe.
 
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i am not using igf this time around... but i did last cycle of gh and slin... i dont know exactly whats doing what (i am using only gh and slin this time)... all i know is that i have gone from 200lbs to 220lbs in a little over 4 weeks... and i still have 1.5 kits to go through using this dosing scheme.:D :D


Those are impressive gains, BCD... are you running any AAS with that? Please forgive me that I only scanned through the forum... would you do me a favor and run by me one more time exactly which protocol you are running? My only thing is I dont know if Im ready for Slin yet because I dont have any bros around me to show me the right way to do it... I have been running 4IU a day: 5 days on 2 days off for the last month... but you are saying site specific IM pwo? Im really interested in that... I had gotten pneumonia and didnt train for 3 months. Im a month back in to training running GH, Test, Primo, and Anadrol to kick start it....

Anyway please tell me more about the GH protocal.. if thats your pic in your avatar.. then you have my undivided attention. lol

Semper Fi
 
yes i am running 750mg of test cyp with gh and slin... best cycle EVER!!!:D

yes thats my avatar but... i need to update though.

Whats your gh schedule? How many IU? Morning? PWO? The pwo thing is a new concept for me so let me know... Also I was saying Im a lttle scared to try slin simply because I dont have anyone to show me the right way to do it... would it be safer to run r3 IGF-1?

Semper Fi
 

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