A refresher on how some former patriots handled negative comments about our country.

[01dragonslayer]

JFK's Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when??
DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US??
military out of France as soon as possible.??
Rusk responded, "Does that include those who are buried here??
DeGaulle did not respond.




When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the
Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
'empire building' by George Bush???

Powell answered by saying,
"Over the years, the United States has sent many of
its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom
beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for
in return is enough to bury those that did not return."
You could have heard a pin drop!




There was a conference in France
where a number of international engineers??
were taking part, including French and American. During a break,??
one of the French engineers came back into the room saying, "Have you??
heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft??
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he??
intend to do, bomb them?"

A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three??
hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are??
nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to??
shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to??
feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand??
gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a??
dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and??
from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships;
how many does France have?"




A U.S. Navy Admiral
was attending a naval conference that included??
Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French??
Navies At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large??
group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries.??
Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a??
French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many??
languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, "Why is it that??
we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than??
speaking French?"??
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the??
Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't??
have to speak German."





Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane.
At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on. "You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked
sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.

"Then you should know enough to have your passport ready. "The American said,"The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it. "Impossible.. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France !"??

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he
quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I'm Polish/Czech and an American patriot as I myself was born in America but if the French hadn't come to America's aid in the Revolutionary War, both at sea and on the ground, there wouldn't even be an America and you'd be answering to the Queen of England. So maybe read a little MORE history next time. I'm not going to delete this thread but if I see another one of these copy-and-paste jobs, you're going on a temporary vacay.

Comprenez-vous?

 

[jake deman]

There would be no United States if it wasn't for France. France literally bankrupted itself in support. A lot of "patriots" are ignorant of history.

 

[Muay Thai]

I'm Polish/Czech and an American patriot as I myself was born in America but if the French hadn't come to America's aid in the Revolutionary War, both at sea and on the ground, there wouldn't even be an America and you'd be answering to the Queen of England. So maybe read a little MORE history next time. I'm not going to delete this thread but if I see another one of these copy-and-paste jobs, you're going on a temporary vacay.

Comprenez vous?

this is why we get along, I am full polish and slav. I grew up with a few serbian and other slavs living in a Hispanic varrio . great post and agreed. we need unity with allies not division based on past transgressions. dobro dan!

 

[Nyoco]

There would be no United States if it wasn't for France. France literally bankrupted itself in support. A lot of "patriots" are ignorant of history.

There would be no US if it wasn´t for Spain too, unfortunately ignorance of history is widespread.

The American Revolution Story Has a Hole the Size of Spain | What It Means to Be American

Americans like to think of our nation as exceptional in nature, a dramatic break from all that came before it. Being exceptional, it’s inconvenient to

www.whatitmeanstobeamerican.org

The Pulitzer Prizes

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TEXANA READS: Spanish general had key role in American Revolution

The Founding Fathers of the United States acknowledged Spain sustained the American Revolution.

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[OuchThatHurts]

Tak! Solidarnosc jest dobra dla calego swiata!
...o podemos hablar en espanol si lo desea.

I grew up in a Polish home where my parents had me wear a SOLIDARNOSC pin everyday (means 'solidarity') because in those days a trade union built into a movement that led to the expulsion of the Soviet from communist led Poland bc after WWII the USSR and U.S. decided the Soviet would keep Poland (where my parents lived under Soviet occupation). They demanded we attend Catholic School Santa Rosa de Lima here in America in honor of Pope John Paul II who allowed the solidarity movement to meet in private on church property as John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla was his real name) was Archbishop of Krakow.

I hated that pin bc of all the dumb Polak jokes I had to endure growing up. I broke a lot of heads in those days. Got expelled several times and was always in the headmistress' office. It made me strong like steel though. Not good memories though. That's why I can speak English, Polska, Deutsche, espanol, Francais, Latin, and what languages I can't fully speak I know well enough to understand the little I need. (I know little of Asiatic languages or Swahili maybe but the rest pretty well)

Maybe one day we'll get to knock back a few beers and kishkas and talk about those crazy 80's. This was the button. I still have it around here somewhere.

 

[01dragonslayer]

I'm Polish/Czech and an American patriot as I myself was born in America but if the French hadn't come to America's aid in the Revolutionary War, both at sea and on the ground, there wouldn't even be an America and you'd be answering to the Queen of England. So maybe read a little MORE history next time. I'm not going to delete this thread but if I see another one of these copy-and-paste jobs, you're going on a temporary vacay.

Comprenez-vous?

My intention was never meant to be offensive. I apologize if my post was unwelcomed.

 

[pheenix]

Tak! Solidarnosc jest dobra dla calego swiata!
...o podemos hablar en espanol si lo desea.

I grew up in a Polish home where my parents had me wear a SOLIDARNOSC pin everyday (means 'solidarity') because in those days a trade union built into a movement that led to the expulsion of the Soviet from communist led Poland bc after WWII the USSR and U.S. decided the Soviet would keep Poland (where my parents lived under Soviet occupation). They demanded we attend Catholic School Santa Rosa de Lima here in America in honor of Pope John Paul II who allowed the solidarity movement to meet in private on church property as John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla was his real name) was Archbishop of Krakow.

I hated that pin bc of all the dumb Polak jokes I had to endure growing up. I broke a lot of heads in those days. Got expelled several times and was always in the headmistress' office. It made me strong like steel though. Not good memories though. That's why I can speak English, Polska, Deutsche, espanol, Francais, Latin, and what languages I can't fully speak I know well enough to understand the little I need. (I know little of Asiatic languages or Swahili maybe but the rest pretty well)

Maybe one day we'll get to knock back a few beers and kishkas and talk about those crazy 80's. This was the button. I still have it around here somewhere.

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Ive worked with Polish GROM

 

[Muay Thai]

Tak! Solidarnosc jest dobra dla calego swiata!
...o podemos hablar en espanol si lo desea.

I grew up in a Polish home where my parents had me wear a SOLIDARNOSC pin everyday (means 'solidarity') because in those days a trade union built into a movement that led to the expulsion of the Soviet from communist led Poland bc after WWII the USSR and U.S. decided the Soviet would keep Poland (where my parents lived under Soviet occupation). They demanded we attend Catholic School Santa Rosa de Lima here in America in honor of Pope John Paul II who allowed the solidarity movement to meet in private on church property as John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla was his real name) was Archbishop of Krakow.

I hated that pin bc of all the dumb Polak jokes I had to endure growing up. I broke a lot of heads in those days. Got expelled several times and was always in the headmistress' office. It made me strong like steel though. Not good memories though. That's why I can speak English, Polska, Deutsche, espanol, Francais, Latin, and what languages I can't fully speak I know well enough to understand the little I need. (I know little of Asiatic languages or Swahili maybe but the rest pretty well)

Maybe one day we'll get to knock back a few beers and kishkas and talk about those crazy 80's. This was the button. I still have it around here somewhere.

View attachment 153372

extremely impressive portfolio. luki is polish too. I grew up around mostly serbians in terms of slavs, I went to sveti petka church and danced kolo and ate lavish feasts , also sveti George in downtown SD. My polish family was catholic. We all lived in chicago when we landed here @ww2. I got the polak jokes frequently from them. Mexicans didn't know the difference my nickname is GHOST/Fantasma/. That is their racist but loving term for me. Its better than GUERO. I had some slivovitz and rakkya home brew plum brandies for thanksgiving.I bet your parents have some wild stories to tell. interesting to see what is happening in the world RN without going to details, also in close proximity to Poland unfortunately. Theres 2 ukranian younger dudes who kinda are snobby to me because I have been to Germany Switzerland etc but never Poland. We lost contact with relatives and family. my bio dad is german and slav his mom name was ina.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Ive worked with Polish GROM

That's cool. Those dudes are pretty tough.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

extremely impressive portfolio. luki is polish too. I grew up around mostly serbians in terms of slavs, I went to sveti petka church and danced kolo and ate lavish feasts , also sveti George in downtown SD. My polish family was catholic. We all lived in chicago when we landed here @ww2. I got the polak jokes frequently from them. Mexicans didn't know the difference my nickname is GHOST/Fantasma/. That is their racist but loving term for me. Its better than GUERO. I had some slivovitz and rakkya home brew plum brandies for thanksgiving.I bet your parents have some wild stories to tell. interesting to see what is happening in the world RN without going to details, also in close proximity to Poland unfortunately. Theres 2 ukranian younger dudes who kinda are snobby to me because I have been to Germany Switzerland etc but never Poland. We lost contact with relatives and family. my bio dad is german and slav his mom name was ina.

Ah yes. Slivovitz. My Serbian uncle has these huge feasts with grilled kielbasa, brats, sauerkraut, pierogi, halupki, stuffed peppers, and lots of beer. Lots! And every 20 minutes or so everyone has to get in a circle and sing a Serbian drinking song and you MUST drink a shot of sliv. Usually peppermint but 100+ proof. Until everyone is so stuffed and falling down drunk it's almost comical.

We do that every July 4th weekend. Matko Bosko! Every year the same wasted scene. Then they all clean up and drink some hangover remedies like raw eggs, milk, and cinnamon and go off to Sunday Mass! Crazy!

Matko Bosko means similar to 'Mother of God' in English or Mama Mia in Italian which means 'My Mother'. Not in an offensive way though. Americans will say Jesus [bleeping] Christ! That's not kosher in the East European crowd. My mother would slap me right in the face for saying that. Even now.

 

[pheenix]

That's cool. Those dudes are pretty tough.

Lol Yea, crazy fkers Good dudes

 

[Dave Perez]

Tak! Solidarnosc jest dobra dla calego swiata!
...o podemos hablar en espanol si lo desea.

I grew up in a Polish home where my parents had me wear a SOLIDARNOSC pin everyday (means 'solidarity') because in those days a trade union built into a movement that led to the expulsion of the Soviet from communist led Poland bc after WWII the USSR and U.S. decided the Soviet would keep Poland (where my parents lived under Soviet occupation). They demanded we attend Catholic School Santa Rosa de Lima here in America in honor of Pope John Paul II who allowed the solidarity movement to meet in private on church property as John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla was his real name) was Archbishop of Krakow.

I hated that pin bc of all the dumb Polak jokes I had to endure growing up. I broke a lot of heads in those days. Got expelled several times and was always in the headmistress' office. It made me strong like steel though. Not good memories though. That's why I can speak English, Polska, Deutsche, espanol, Francais, Latin, and what languages I can't fully speak I know well enough to understand the little I need. (I know little of Asiatic languages or Swahili maybe but the rest pretty well)

Maybe one day we'll get to knock back a few beers and kishkas and talk about those crazy 80's. This was the button. I still have it around here somewhere.

View attachment 153372

If my memory is correct Lech Walensa led the solidarity revolution...many years ago I supervised a number of city employees...two of them were born in Poland...one day a smart ass skateboard punk employee was harassing the eldest polish guy...he had enough and knocked the ass hole out...my assistant called me and I went to the location..the polish guy asked if I was going to fire him and I said hell no...I am promoting you...

 

[OuchThatHurts]

If my memory is correct Lech Walensa led the solidarity revolution...many years ago I supervised a number of city employees...two of them were born in Poland...one day a smart ass skateboard punk employee was harassing the eldest polish guy...he had enough and knocked the ass hole out...my assistant called me and I went to the location..the polish guy asked if I was going to fire him and I said hell no...I am promoting you...

Walesa but yeah, if there was a leader it would have been him. I had a friend growing up named Leszek, "Lesh" for short and that guy would knock people out cold. One punch. Out. We got in a lot of trouble back then, he and I. He snuck out underground. My family took care of him for his parents until they were able to leave Poland which was a while. He had a big scar above his eye where the police hit him with a baton. He was just a young kid, ya know? But nobody was allowed travel visas then to leave and things were getting bad. He recently died of COPD, sadly. Kind of like a brother to me. Nobody in town spoke Polish so it was all arranged by the church for him to stay with us. He wasn't a legal citizen. It was all pretty dicey but things were then. It was what it was I guess. Today, they would have just sent him back to who knows what.

Another footnote about Lesh. He probably would have lived longer but by the time his parents arrived when he was 15, he was in bad shape. This kid, just 11yr-old when he left, was given to strangers by his own parents to travel across the Atlantic, to a strange world he didn't even understand, no Engish, no citizenship, off the books, few people spoke Polish. In a strange home, strange family. Hell, the school would have kicked me out probably but since the Church arranged everything, fearing we would have kicked out Lesh, were sort of stuck with both of us. But my parents would have died before doing something so awful but the church didn't know that. So the church, the school, my parents, we were all in that together.

Anyway, by the time his parents did arrive, he barely knew them. Probably angry at them. He ended up an alcoholic, smoked cigarettes like crazy, died young bc of that ordeal. I know there are people on here that think I'm a bleeding heart liberal but shit. I've seen what war does to families, kids. What kind of total bastard would I be if I saw all that, all my life, and didn't give a shit? What kind of monster would I be? Of course I ended up a caregiver! WTF else could I have possibly been? I don't turn my back on anyone. To a fault even. Seems like a lifetime ago but my father and we three brothers were all successful, have beautiful families, are probably wealthy by most American standards, all educated, caring and loving people.

So despite it all, I still consider it a success story. Typing this out makes me want to offer up a drink for Lesh tonight. And I will probably do just that!

Okrzyki dla Lesz! (Cheers for Lesh!)

 

[pheenix]

Walesa but yeah, if there was a leader it would have been him. I had a friend growing up named Leszek, "Lesh" for short and that guy would knock people out cold. One punch. Out. We got in a lot of trouble back then, he and I. He snuck out underground. My family took care of him for his parents until they were able to leave Poland which was a while. He had a big scar above his eye where the police hit him with a baton. He was just a young kid, ya know? But nobody was allowed travel visas then to leave and things were getting bad. He recently died of COPD, sadly. Kind of like a brother to me. Nobody in town spoke Polish so it was all arranged by the church for him to stay with us. He wasn't a legal citizen. It was all pretty dicey but things were then. It was what it was I guess. Today, they would have just sent him back to who knows what.

Another footnote about Lesh. He probably would have lived longer but by the time his parents arrived when he was 15, he was in bad shape. This kid, just 11yr-old when he left, was given to strangers by his own parents to travel across the Atlantic, to a strange world he didn't even understand, no Engish, no citizenship, off the books, few people spoke Polish. In a strange home, strange family. Hell, the school would have kicked me out probably but since the Church arranged everything, fearing we would have kicked out Lesh, were sort of stuck with both of us. But my parents would have died before doing something so awful but the church didn't know that. So the church, the school, my parents, we were all in that together.

Anyway, by the time his parents did arrive, he barely knew them. Probably angry at them. He ended up an alcoholic, smoked cigarettes like crazy, died young bc of that ordeal. I know there are people on here that think I'm a bleeding heart liberal but shit. I've seen what war does to families, kids. What kind of total bastard would I be if I saw all that, all my life, and didn't give a shit? What kind of monster would I be? Of course I ended up a caregiver! WTF else could I have possibly been? I don't turn my back on anyone. To a fault even. Seems like a lifetime ago but my father and we three brothers were all successful, have beautiful families, are probably wealthy by most American standards, all educated, caring and loving people.

So despite it all, I still consider it a success story. Typing this out makes me want to offer up a drink for Lesh tonight. And I will probably do just that!

Okrzyki dla Lesz! (Cheers for Lesh!)

God bless brother

 

[heavyhitter]

Walesa but yeah, if there was a leader it would have been him. I had a friend growing up named Leszek, "Lesh" for short and that guy would knock people out cold. One punch. Out. We got in a lot of trouble back then, he and I. He snuck out underground. My family took care of him for his parents until they were able to leave Poland which was a while. He had a big scar above his eye where the police hit him with a baton. He was just a young kid, ya know? But nobody was allowed travel visas then to leave and things were getting bad. He recently died of COPD, sadly. Kind of like a brother to me. Nobody in town spoke Polish so it was all arranged by the church for him to stay with us. He wasn't a legal citizen. It was all pretty dicey but things were then. It was what it was I guess. Today, they would have just sent him back to who knows what.

Another footnote about Lesh. He probably would have lived longer but by the time his parents arrived when he was 15, he was in bad shape. This kid, just 11yr-old when he left, was given to strangers by his own parents to travel across the Atlantic, to a strange world he didn't even understand, no Engish, no citizenship, off the books, few people spoke Polish. In a strange home, strange family. Hell, the school would have kicked me out probably but since the Church arranged everything, fearing we would have kicked out Lesh, were sort of stuck with both of us. But my parents would have died before doing something so awful but the church didn't know that. So the church, the school, my parents, we were all in that together.

Anyway, by the time his parents did arrive, he barely knew them. Probably angry at them. He ended up an alcoholic, smoked cigarettes like crazy, died young bc of that ordeal. I know there are people on here that think I'm a bleeding heart liberal but shit. I've seen what war does to families, kids. What kind of total bastard would I be if I saw all that, all my life, and didn't give a shit? What kind of monster would I be? Of course I ended up a caregiver! WTF else could I have possibly been? I don't turn my back on anyone. To a fault even. Seems like a lifetime ago but my father and we three brothers were all successful, have beautiful families, are probably wealthy by most American standards, all educated, caring and loving people.

So despite it all, I still consider it a success story. Typing this out makes me want to offer up a drink for Lesh tonight. And I will probably do just that!

Okrzyki dla Lesz! (Cheers for Lesh!)

I used to work with a guy that was Bosnian. Pretty young. Thirties. His family escaped the Serbs-Croat war. At one point, the van they were escaping in was pulled over and anyone who didn’t have papers proving they weren’t christian(his father had forged documents for them) was lined up along the road and shot. Crazy stuff

 

[Muay Thai]

I used to work with a guy that was Bosnian. Pretty young. Thirties. His family escaped the Serbs-Croat war. At one point, the van they were escaping in was pulled over and anyone who didn’t have papers proving they weren’t christian(his father had forged documents for them) was lined up along the road and shot. Crazy stuff

in my experiences serbs HATE bosnians more than they hate croatians. I used to hang out with a few OG "chetniks "(serb nationalists) who fled in 90s, stone cold mobster mother fuckers, milan/milos (mike) djordja (George) stevo(steve) bronco dragan , their uncle was vlady divac (LA LAKERS), he came to our middle school shadow a student day it was unreal for us since he was still relevant back then.

but just is plain as day to see, the CRUSADES HAVE NEVER ENDED. Not on the Slavic front at least. I have VLAD TEPES tattooed on my calf (portrait) he was a warped prince but held off the ottomans for quite some time. I do not have a bias toward any religion or faith. My polish family was catholic. I was raised Christian/orthodox in serb churches. There are many rivers that lead to the same ocean of consciousness.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

in my experiences serbs HATE bosnians more than they hate croatians. I used to hang out with a few OG "chetniks "(serb nationalists) who fled in 90s, stone cold mobster mother fuckers, milan/milos (mike) djordja (George) stevo(steve) bronco dragan , their uncle was vlady divac (LA LAKERS), he came to our middle school shadow a student day it was unreal for us since he was still relevant back then.

but just is plain as day to see, the CRUSADES HAVE NEVER ENDED. Not on the Slavic front at least. I have VLAD TEPES tattooed on my calf (portrait) he was a warped prince but held off the ottomans for quite some time. I do not have a bias toward any religion or faith. My polish family was catholic. I was raised Christian/orthodox in serb churches. There are many rivers that lead to the same ocean of consciousness.

It still just may be Christians vs Muslims that do us all in. While China looks on with unrestrainable glee.

 

[pesty4077]

in my experiences serbs HATE bosnians more than they hate croatians. I used to hang out with a few OG "chetniks "(serb nationalists) who fled in 90s, stone cold mobster mother fuckers, milan/milos (mike) djordja (George) stevo(steve) bronco dragan , their uncle was vlady divac (LA LAKERS), he came to our middle school shadow a student day it was unreal for us since he was still relevant back then.

but just is plain as day to see, the CRUSADES HAVE NEVER ENDED. Not on the Slavic front at least. I have VLAD TEPES tattooed on my calf (portrait) he was a warped prince but held off the ottomans for quite some time. I do not have a bias toward any religion or faith. My polish family was catholic. I was raised Christian/orthodox in serb churches. There are many rivers that lead to the same ocean of consciousness.

Vlad was a voivode (prince) of Walachia (part of modern Romania). He impaled his enemies on stakes. I been to his castle a few times. You should see what weapons they fought with back then.

 

[bad rad]

Vlad was a voivode (prince) of Walachia (part of modern Romania). He impaled his enemies on stakes. I been to his castle a few times. You should see what weapons they fought with back then.

Been to the castle as well. It was an amazing tactical advantage for defense considering the weaponry back then. Smaller than I expected too.