AAS+ peptides and genetic potential.

[Sanctus Umbra]

In your opinion which is more effective,considering a natural bodybuilder with good/average genetics who eat,trains and sleeps right and decides to start cycling AAS?

Continue taking AAS till you reach a plateau then start GH until you reach another sticking point and then trying out insulin or IGF OR incorporate all the above for his first cycle,2nd 3rd and so on.....? I think many people are more eager to do more of the latter rather than the former.Are they shortchanging themselves in the growth department and reach their genetic limit earlier than those who wait till they hit a sticking point with gear and then trying with peptides?
Would like to hear your opinions,thanks

 

[mike1107]

In your opinion which is more effective,considering a natural bodybuilder with good/average genetics who eat,trains and sleeps right and decides to start cycling AAS?

Continue taking AAS till you reach a plateau then start GH until you reach another sticking point and then trying out insulin or IGF OR incorporate all the above for his first cycle,2nd 3rd and so on.....? I think many people are more eager to do more of the latter rather than the former.Are they shortchanging themselves in the growth department and reach their genetic limit earlier than those who wait till they hit a sticking point with gear and then trying with peptides?
Would like to hear your opinions,thanks

1st choice

 

[Grunt76]

I think they should learn to do a proper cycle by doing a couple of AAS-only cycles, see how that works, get familiar and comfortable with the process, and then add in the pMGF/IGF-1/GH. I put GH last here because it is the one peptide that is the most beneficial at a more advanced age and surely a 25-year-old will find more benefit from running pMGF/IGF than GH. Unless money is no object at all, but that is an exception more than a rule.

By doing this, I think the athlete will be increasing his maximum possible muscle mass potential at every cycle, which would keep him growing and growing. Moreover, it will avoid the ugly sides from very high doses of peptides. Guys with maxed out muscle mass from AAS who are competing and want to get even more will sometimes be tempted to make up for their lack of peptide use by dosing them higher, but that is not how peptides work. They take TIME to work their magic and if you start after 10 years of cycles, well you have just short-changed yourself of quite a few years of peptide goodness.

I think some of the pros trying to get bigger and you see only their guts increase in size are a testament to what I am saying.

 

[mike1107]

I think they should learn to do a proper cycle by doing a couple of AAS-only cycles, see how that works, get familiar and comfortable with the process, and then add in the pMGF/IGF-1/GH. I put GH last here because it is the one peptide that is the most beneficial at a more advanced age and surely a 25-year-old will find more benefit from running pMGF/IGF than GH. Unless money is no object at all, but that is an exception more than a rule.

By doing this, I think the athlete will be increasing his maximum possible muscle mass potential at every cycle, which would keep him growing and growing. Moreover, it will avoid the ugly sides from very high doses of peptides. Guys with maxed out muscle mass from AAS who are competing and want to get even more will sometimes be tempted to make up for their lack of peptide use by dosing them higher, but that is not how peptides work. They take TIME to work their magic and if you start after 10 years of cycles, well you have just short-changed yourself of quite a few years of peptide goodness.

I think some of the pros trying to get bigger and you see only their guts increase in size are a testament to what I am saying.

THE MASTER SAID IT ALL

 

[Sanctus Umbra]

Thanks mike1107 and grunt.So grunt,if I understood you correctly one can start peptides after a couple of AAS cycle(even if he didn't max out his genetic limit with AAS alone) to reap more benefits?

 

[Grunt76]

[blushes at mike's comment]

Sanctus, absolutely. Peptides will create new cells for you to grow no matter if your average myotupe expansion level is at 20% or 99%. I just made that "myotube expansion level" concept up to get the idea across BTW, so don't anyone go searching the literature for a measurement method on this, it is purely theoretical. The effects of peptides can be verified empirically though.

 

[Sanctus Umbra]

LOL Grunt.Thanks for your excellent post and professional advice.It has absolutely changed my perception of genetic potential on AAS with or without peptides thanks to you.Will definately listen to your advice.