ACE & PROP

HOY · Apr 17, 2007

ok, been reading and I saw that if you are going to try tren for the first time you should start out with the acetate ester so you can see how your body responds and if you can handle it...if you couldnt handle it or for some other reason you wanted to halt usage it wouldnt take long to get the fast acting acetate out of your system like the enanthate would....so here it is, why wouldnt a newbie start out with test prop for the same reasons stated above for first time Tren users?...i know the EOD shot thing may be a little much for a newbie, but I tend to think that the more you pin the better at it you will be, so that would be perfect for a newbie..... this is just a question that popped in my mind in the efforts of trying to learn more about aas usage...thanks

oldfella · Apr 17, 2007

Test in whatever form is probably going to be better accepted by the system.......It is what makes us men after all. So this is why as a noob or vet test is almost a must for any cycle. Test prop is still test. It just works faster. You can use this to kickstart a cycle using longer acting test. Enanth and cyp. will take two to three weeks to kick in. Prop will kick in in a couple of days. For noobs test only cycles work very well as long as diet and training is in order.

HOY · Apr 18, 2007

so for a cycle it dosnt matter what test you use, because diet will determine if your bulking or cutting...so i could use prop for my first cycle if I wanted to right, or is there a reason why noobs should use a long acting ester first

oldfella · Apr 18, 2007

HOY said:
so for a cycle it dosnt matter what test you use, because diet will determine if your bulking or cutting...so i could use prop for my first cycle if I wanted to right, or is there a reason why noobs should use a long acting ester first

Yes you can use prop if you want to. It means more frequent injections and more painful sites. I prefer to use longer acting tests because the levels in your system tend to be more stable for longer periods of time. 100mgs eod or every third day is fine.

Putin · Apr 29, 2007

oldfella said:
Yes you can use prop if you want to. It means more frequent injections and more painful sites. I prefer to use longer acting tests because the levels in your system tend to be more stable for longer periods of time. 100mgs eod or every third day is fine.

Isnt that the same thing? EOD would be Monday and Wednesday. and Every third day would be ..shot on monday, skip second day, third day would be Wednesday. Or how are you counting?

OuchThatHurts · Apr 29, 2007

Putin said:
Isnt that the same thing? EOD would be Monday and Wednesday. and Every third day would be ..shot on monday, skip second day, third day would be Wednesday. Or how are you counting?

WTF? I'm more curious how you are counting! Oldfella is right (he's pretty consistent).

ED would be Mon, Tues, Weds, Thurs, etc.
EOD something like Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
E3D something like Mon, Thurs, Sun

The only problem I see with a new person using prop, provided they know what they're doing, is that people might feel prop pain and think they did something wrong. I wish I could do my first cycle over again! Test Enanthate by Schein by Rx. Haven't experienced that feeling since. At least not to that degree. I was stoked! I even saved the cardboard box.

Putin · Apr 30, 2007

OuchThatHurts said:
WTF? I'm more curious how you are counting! Oldfella is right (he's pretty consistent).

ED would be Mon, Tues, Weds, Thurs, etc.
EOD something like Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
E3D something like Mon, Thurs, Sun

The only problem I see with a new person using prop, provided they know what they're doing, is that people might feel prop pain and think they did something wrong. I wish I could do my first cycle over again! Test Enanthate by Schein by Rx. Haven't experienced that feeling since. At least not to that degree. I was stoked! I even saved the cardboard box.

You just read how I counted.
(1)Monday (2)Tuesday (3)Wednesday (4)Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday..
So if you inject on day (1), then the third day would be Wednesday...hence the EVERY THIRD DAY injection. EOD and E3D sounds the same if you actually COUNT THE DAYS. The way you explain E3D, Monday and Thursday would be Day (1) and Day (4), injection on first day and on fourth day of the week. How is that equal to E3D??

To avoid this confusion. People should start spelling it out. like, inject twice per week or 3 times per week.

OuchThatHurts · Apr 30, 2007

Putin said:
You just read how I counted.
(1)Monday (2)Tuesday (3)Wednesday (4)Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday..
So if you inject on day (1), then the third day would be Wednesday...hence the EVERY THIRD DAY injection. EOD and E3D sounds the same if you actually COUNT THE DAYS. The way you explain E3D, Monday and Thursday would be Day (1) and Day (4), injection on first day and on fourth day of the week. How is that equal to E3D??

To avoid this confusion. People should start spelling it out. like, inject twice per week or 3 times per week.

We should huh? LOL.. Nah... I see what you're saying but where you're confused is that you're counting the injection day as day 1 when it's actually "day 0" (if you're talking every x amount of days). If today is monday and I told you we'll meet 3 days from now... what day would it be? It wouldn't be tommorrow. It would be the second day. It would be Thursday (the third day). Same thing happens with the date. It's 2007 but it's the 21st century because years 0-99 were the "1st century". After the year 100 rolled over, it became the 2nd century. Another example. Eleven months after you were born, how old were you in years? You were 0 years old.

I probably just added to the confusion, huh?

I'll send this one into the abyss by saying that within the context of a KNOWN amount (group) of linear integers, we can count precisely based on the linearity of the group (day 1,2,3,4,etc). But if we do not have a defined number of integers and have to start at a point within the UNKNOWN group of integers, we always start from zero. Yes, it sucks. But it does solve the problem with the unknown variable (cycles can be an infinite number of lengths).

oldfella · Apr 30, 2007

OuchThatHurts said:
We should huh? LOL.. Nah... I see what you're saying but where you're confused is that you're counting the injection day as day 1 when it's actually "day 0" (if you're talking every x amount of days). If today is monday and I told you we'll meet 3 days from now... what day would it be? It wouldn't be tommorrow. It would be the second day. It would be Thursday (the third day). Same thing happens with the date. It's 2007 but it's the 21st century because years 0-99 were the "1st century". After the year 100 rolled over, it became the 2nd century. Another example. Eleven months after you were born, how old were you in years? You were 0 years old.

I probably just added to the confusion, huh?

I'll send this one into the abyss by saying that within the context of a KNOWN amount (group) of linear integers, we can count precisely based on the linearity of the group (day 1,2,3,4,etc). But if we do not have a defined number of integers and have to start at a point within the UNKNOWN group of integers, we always start from zero. Yes, it sucks. But it does solve the problem with the unknown variable (cycles can be an infinite number of lengths).

Isn't that the same as every third day?????LOL

OuchThatHurts · May 1, 2007

oldfella said:
[/B]Isn't that the same as every third day?????LOL

Oldfella... I have NO IDEA what is so complex here. I mean it's a logical pattern... Every one days (ED), every two days (EOD), every three days (E3D). It's hard for me to fathom someone not being able to get their head around this.

Putin said:
To avoid this confusion. People should start spelling it out. like, inject twice per week or 3 times per week.

This made me chuckle. That's even more confusing! Particularly since a week (7) is a prime number and like all prime integers it can't be divided by any integer other than itself and one. 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, etc. If you can do the first 50 primes in your head, that's not to bad.

Bonus Round: If I told you to do something 3 times a week, evenly spaced at precise intervals, when exactly would do the thing I asked?

oldfella · May 1, 2007

Hey man don't try to confuse me

, member I'm old (2001 to be exact). I knew exactly what I meant with injection day being zero or not counting! E3D is as you put it. EOD is M, W, F, SU, TU etc. If I had to do things three times a week what day of the week constitutes the first, SU or M ? But I guess I would have to do things every 2.33333333333333 days to make sure it was all dead even, well almost. At some stage you would need to adjust your timing to allow for the Prime number not being divided evenly!! So have I effectively answered your question with an adequate question???? This is funny Ouch!! Good one.

But hey, WTF would I know? I'm just a dumb BBer!

and OLD.

OuchThatHurts · May 1, 2007

oldfella said:
Hey man don't try to confuse me , member I'm old (2001 to be exact). I knew exactly what I meant with injection day being zero or not counting! E3D is as you put it. EOD is M, W, F, SU, TU etc. If I had to do things three times a week what day of the week constitutes the first, SU or M ? But I guess I would have to do things every 2.33333333333333 days to make sure it was all dead even, well almost. At some stage you would need to adjust your timing to allow for the Prime number not being divided evenly!! So have I effectively answered your question with an adequate question???? This is funny Ouch!! Good one. But hey, WTF would I know? I'm just a dumb BBer! and OLD.

you da man. You are right on the money. So how the heck can anyone inject every 2.3 days? I have to rag on someone about being old because I'm old too... Just be glad because I know for a fact I can hang with any of these young bucks. Well maybe not ANY...

oldfella · May 1, 2007

OuchThatHurts said:
you da man. You are right on the money. So how the heck can anyone inject every 2.3 days? I have to rag on someone about being old because I'm old too... Just be glad because I know for a fact I can hang with any of these young bucks. Well maybe not ANY...

Well now....let me see......if you took the 2.3333333333 days and then worked out the hours you could......in theory do the every 2.3 days thing. But at some stage every 6 or 7 weeks you would need to adjust your timing............this shit is giving me a headache.........E3days is fine. I hear ya bout the old thing bro, I take no offense whatsoever, in fact I'm very proud of my achievements at my age. Like xcel, cept he is wayyyy older......I can hang with any of the young guns and usually send em home with tails between legs. maybe not as heavy but with more intensity and longer if need be. This is fun Dr. J. we should do this more often!!