Add EQ or wait

[big_lech]

On 500 test right now. I’m in a very physically demanding job right now. Outside for 10-12 hours a day in the heat and the sun is brutal. Doing this until August 1st. I want to add EQ to my stack but wasn’t sure if it would be dumb to add it with my current situation and if I should wait until after August 1st. Never tried EQ before so not sure how body heat works with it.

 

[Theone233]

On 500 test right now. I’m in a very physically demanding job right now. Outside for 10-12 hours a day in the heat and the sun is brutal. Doing this until August 1st. I want to add EQ to my stack but wasn’t sure if it would be dumb to add it with my current situation and if I should wait until after August 1st. Never tried EQ before so not sure how body heat works with it.

Can you stay hydrated, & get your calories in all while working? If yes to both and have time for the gym, I would add it in. If no to any of the above, then I would hold off. Don’t run something and not put your best effort in.

 

[Fleezy]

the ester on EQ is so long, that adding it is like waiting

 

[big_lech]

Can you stay hydrated, & get your calories in all while working? If yes to both and have time for the gym, I would add it in. If no to any of the above, then I would hold off. Don’t run something and not put your best effort in.

Training, diet, hydration, and recovery are all spot on. I just wasn’t sure if the intense heat would’ve been a bad thing especially adding in another compound.

 

[Theone233]

Training, diet, hydration, and recovery are all spot on. I just wasn’t sure if the intense heat would’ve been a bad thing especially adding in another compound.

You shouldn’t have any issue with EQ when it comes to that. I will help with your endurance. What dosage do you plan on running it at?

 

[big_lech]

You shouldn’t have any issue with EQ when it comes to that. I will help with your endurance. What dosage do you plan on running it at?

I planned on bumping my test up to 600 and running eq at 400-500

 

[Theone233]

I planned on bumping my test up to 600 and running eq at 400-500

Solid plan.. I was going to say up your test a little above your Eq dosage

 

[st114]

Yeah I would add EQ because of those circumstances

 

[MackCoach]

the ester on EQ is so long, that adding it is like waiting

agreed ..... start running 200 mg a week and get it primed up and ready to rock your system... in august do the big bump to 400 to 800 mg and watch your vascularity surge like a tsunami and your lean granite hard muscle gains will flood enough to lift noah's ark

 

[hawkmoon]

I'll be the old guy / health focused coach here.

What is the purpose of adding EQ into the mix? Is it because the job is draining and demanding?
If so and you were my client I'd make sure your are hyper hydrated and your nutrition is spot on before adding more hormones. You say that's all spot on, so I'll assume it is.
500mg test is considered a moderate dose, but I know nothing of your height, weight, muscle mass, leaness, experience, or goals. All of which will have a bearing on whether to add more AAS to your program.

If you really want to add EQ because it fits in your desired total load, then that's another situation.
Don't use Boldenone to improve performance, especially for out of gym performance. It's an OK drug - some love it some don't but it doesn't impart measurable general athleticism.

I'll also be one for the very few to say it doesn't take forever to "kick in".
Undecenoate is a long, large ester, yes, which means it proportionately takes more room in your 1ml of oil and cleaves and releases the drug slower.
It does not take weeks - the boldenone will reach peak serum levels within a week and continue in a nice gradual downward curve. It has an 14+ day half life and will build up quick enough.

I think people confuse the extremely long detection range of boldenone metabolites and the drug's action. This ended up creating the "frontloading" nonsense with EQ that has thankfully faded from the internet.

 

[big_lech]

I'll be the old guy / health focused coach here.

What is the purpose of adding EQ into the mix? Is it because the job is draining and demanding?
If so and you were my client I'd make sure your are hyper hydrated and your nutrition is spot on before adding more hormones. You say that's all spot on, so I'll assume it is.
500mg test is considered a moderate dose, but I know nothing of your height, weight, muscle mass, leaness, experience, or goals. All of which will have a bearing on whether to add more AAS to your program.

If you really want to add EQ because it fits in your desired total load, then that's another situation.
Don't use Boldenone to improve performance, especially for out of gym performance. It's an OK drug - some love it some don't but it doesn't impart measurable general athleticism.

I'll also be one for the very few to say it doesn't take forever to "kick in".
Undecenoate is a long, large ester, yes, which means it proportionately takes more room in your 1ml of oil and cleaves and releases the drug slower.
It does not take weeks - the boldenone will reach peak serum levels within a week and continue in a nice gradual downward curve. It has an 14+ day half life and will build up quick enough.

I think people confuse the extremely long detection range of boldenone metabolites and the drug's action. This ended up creating the "frontloading" nonsense with EQ that has thankfully faded from the internet.

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Thanks for the reply.

I’m not using it for enhancement at work. I plan on increasing calories within the next week or two to grow (especially since I’m burning quite a bit on a daily basis) and I’ve never experimented with it before. I’ve tried quite a few compounds but never experienced equipoise.

 

[st114]

I'll be the old guy / health focused coach here.

What is the purpose of adding EQ into the mix? Is it because the job is draining and demanding?
If so and you were my client I'd make sure your are hyper hydrated and your nutrition is spot on before adding more hormones. You say that's all spot on, so I'll assume it is.
500mg test is considered a moderate dose, but I know nothing of your height, weight, muscle mass, leaness, experience, or goals. All of which will have a bearing on whether to add more AAS to your program.

If you really want to add EQ because it fits in your desired total load, then that's another situation.
Don't use Boldenone to improve performance, especially for out of gym performance. It's an OK drug - some love it some don't but it doesn't impart measurable general athleticism.

I'll also be one for the very few to say it doesn't take forever to "kick in".
Undecenoate is a long, large ester, yes, which means it proportionately takes more room in your 1ml of oil and cleaves and releases the drug slower.
It does not take weeks - the boldenone will reach peak serum levels within a week and continue in a nice gradual downward curve. It has an 14+ day half life and will build up quick enough.

I think people confuse the extremely long detection range of boldenone metabolites and the drug's action. This ended up creating the "frontloading" nonsense with EQ that has thankfully faded from the internet.

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I’ve always respected your opinions and you’re someone I generally agree with, so don’t take this as argumentative.

Why do you say Boldenone doesn’t increase general athleticism and out of gym performance? That’s the primary result I’ve seen from it. Everything from work capacity, endurance, speed, reaction time, etc has increased for me since being on it. For Firefighting, I’ve seen a huge increase in job performance capabilities with EQ and can work much more efficiently for much longer periods

 

[A50#]

On 500 test right now. I’m in a very physically demanding job right now. Outside for 10-12 hours a day in the heat and the sun is brutal. Doing this until August 1st. I want to add EQ to my stack but wasn’t sure if it would be dumb to add it with my current situation and if I should wait until after August 1st. Never tried EQ before so not sure how body heat works with it.

I think u will be fine. Just be sure to super hydrate and get all your meals. I've worked a very physical, no heat, no air job for 28 yrs so I feel your pain.

 

[traininsane11]

I’ve always respected your opinions and you’re someone I generally agree with, so don’t take this as argumentative.

Why do you say Boldenone doesn’t increase general athleticism and out of gym performance? That’s the primary result I’ve seen from it. Everything from work capacity, endurance, speed, reaction time, etc has increased for me since being on it. For Firefighting, I’ve seen a huge increase in job performance capabilities with EQ and can work much more efficiently for much longer periods

I happened to attend a seminar about PED’s in primarily fighting (mma, bjj etc) and Broderick Chavez was one of the speakers and he and others believed EQ to be one of the best compounds for those guys for the reasons you mentioned and how increased red blood cell count would be of use to them

 

[hawkmoon]

I’ve always respected your opinions and you’re someone I generally agree with, so don’t take this as argumentative.

Why do you say Boldenone doesn’t increase general athleticism and out of gym performance? That’s the primary result I’ve seen from it. Everything from work capacity, endurance, speed, reaction time, etc has increased for me since being on it. For Firefighting, I’ve seen a huge increase in job performance capabilities with EQ and can work much more efficiently for much longer periods

No problem at all.

I haven't seen anything beyond occasional anecdote on athletic performance increases of significance.
Studies in animal with boldenone show erythropoiesis, but they aren't comparing the effectiveness of boldenone to testosterone, nandrolone, oxymetholone, primo, etc.

In my personal bloodwork where I can definitively observe blood cell count and hemoglobin and correlate them to performance I see no significant improvement over testosterone or other AAS. (personal anecdote, I know).
I'm always open to more information and if someone can show comparative bloods and improved performance I'm happy to listen. I'm also ok with being wrong and learning more.

Attached is the only work I have found comparing erythropoietic properties of AAS. Unfortunately is does not include boldenone. (animal study).

 

[massephase]

No problem at all.

I haven't seen anything beyond occasional anecdote on athletic performance increases of significance.
Studies in animal with boldenone show erythropoiesis, but they aren't comparing the effectiveness of boldenone to testosterone, nandrolone, oxymetholone, primo, etc.

In my personal bloodwork where I can definitively observe blood cell count and hemoglobin and correlate them to performance I see no significant improvement over testosterone or other AAS. (personal anecdote, I know).
I'm always open to more information and if someone can show comparative bloods and improved performance I'm happy to listen. I'm also ok with being wrong and learning more.

Attached is the only work I have found comparing erythropoietic properties of AAS. Unfortunately is does not include boldenone. (animal study).

I wonder if the idea that EQ increases red blood cells so much more came to be because people added EQ on top of their testosterone dose, increasing total mgs and the effect being solely due to the higher total. Would be funny if true

 

[tommyguns2]

When I ran Steroid Plotter for EQ dosed at 400mg for 20 weeks, I got the following plot. Looks like if you started today, you'd reach max, steady state levels of about 1250 ng/dl at around July 21, which is about 3 weeks time. The graph does show that your levels are increasing during week 1, but it'll be several weeks before you plateau at your steady state levels.

 

[juiceball44]

When I ran Steroid Plotter for EQ dosed at 400mg for 20 weeks, I got the following plot. Looks like if you started today, you'd reach max, steady state levels of about 1250 ng/dl at around July 21, which is about 3 weeks time. The graph does show that your levels are increasing during week 1, but it'll be several weeks before you plateau at your steady state levels.

Someone on another forum pointed out the steroid plotter for eq is likely not correct. The graph is around 5 day half life not 14 days like it should be

 

[tommyguns2]

Someone on another forum pointed out the steroid plotter for eq is likely not correct. The graph is around 5 day half life not 14 days like it should be

A 5 day half-life for the undecylanate ester? That doesn't sound correct to me. I do understand that the half-life will vary depending on what hormone the ester is attached to, as well as injection volume, and individual metabolism. But I think the half-life for EQ is closer to 14 days.

 

[tommyguns2]

Someone on another forum pointed out the steroid plotter for eq is likely not correct. The graph is around 5 day half life not 14 days like it should be

I'm sorry, maybe I misread your post. Are you saying that the plotter is showing it reaching a steady state plateau too quickly in the graph? If so, you may be correct.