ALL READ - NEW BOARD RULE

[Big A]

I like that idea, like a subscription sub-forum.
Paid entry, instead of relying on people reaching a post count. But also relying on donations

That could work. Testing sub-forum. All funds from the subscription to the sub-forum get used on testing. Results stay in that sub-forum only, to only be accessed by the subscribers.

 

[IronFist]

I always donated for testing and appreciated everyone that was involved in the process.

I agree with you, there were very few that wanted to donate.

i remember there was a point where people were pissed at the testing because their preferred source came out with bad tests , defending them saying they would continue to use them because theyve trusted them for years.

the donations started slowing down because people didnt really want to know if their source was selling legit , then the same lot moved over here and started posting their own jano results in the section here , showing vested interest.

playing devils advocate , i believe even jano himself has a vested interest in the results.

 

[NaDa]

That could work. Testing sub-forum. All funds from the subscription to the sub-forum get used on testing. Results stay in that sub-forum only, to only be accessed by the subscribers.

Im behind this 100%. Not sure from the technical side if it is hard to make happen but im ready to do it.

 

[pesty4077]

jano isnt unreliable his test has caught lots of shit sources selling bunk gear (especially with all the issues with raws going on rn)… the sources that got caught even admitted that they messed up and gave customers refunds

Bullshit, his tests are bias. We knew that a well ago.

 

[RandomLifter]

Bullshit, his tests are bias. We knew that a well ago.

Interested in more details about this if anyone can share. Would this be blind testing bias? Random? Or bias associated with labels?

Meaning, is Jano untrustworthy if we send a blind sample of 1mL oil?

 

[rAJJIN]

I would be on board with this. Who manages the funds?

When I was involved early on what we did was run an open ledger on the forum.
When a member would donate, there name went on the list of contributors with there donation amount. I believe that also helped raise some funds. Everyone wanted to be on that list.

 

[silvaback]

Bullshit, his tests are bias. We knew that a well ago.

how would it be biased when its a blind sample with no labels being tested... lmao

 

[dieselbuilder]

When I was involved early on what we did was run an open ledger on the forum.
When a member would donate, there name went on the list of contributors with there donation amount. I believe that also helped raise some funds. Everyone wanted to be on that list.

Perhaps a testing contributor badge

 

[rAJJIN]

how would it be biased when its a blind sample with no labels being tested... lmao

Your post here need to improve.
I’d like to see you contribute more than snide comments. Otherwise you can head on back over to meso.

 

[gib68sg]

When I was involved early on what we did was run an open ledger on the forum.
When a member would donate, there name went on the list of contributors with there donation amount. I believe that also helped raise some funds. Everyone wanted to be on that list.

This is the way. Nothing better than naming and shaming those who benefit but don’t contribute imo

 

[silvaback]

Your post here need to improve.
I’d like to see you contribute more than snide comments. Otherwise you can head on back over to meso.

im replying to his comment

 

[pesty4077]

how would it be biased when its a blind sample with no labels being tested... lmao

You're not to bright if you think these sponsors on every forum on the internet send in blind samples. LMAO.

 

[madg]

Bring back anasci imo

Donate - get badge - view results

No donation - no badge - no freelancers

Easy

 

[Ranchhand]

That could work. Testing sub-forum. All funds from the subscription to the sub-forum get used on testing. Results stay in that sub-forum only, to only be accessed by the subscribers.

When I was involved early on what we did was run an open ledger on the forum.
When a member would donate, there name went on the list of contributors with there donation amount. I believe that also helped raise some funds. Everyone wanted to be on that list.

Whatever it takes to keep unbiased testing going, I'm in. I think it keeps integrity of the board. Members can trust they're a part of the best board on the net.

What are you guys thinking, Revive AnaSci independent testing? I know AnaSci has always been linked to PM, but make that more formal? Or just create a subforum or subsection here on PM that is donation based to have access?

 

[dieselbuilder]

I’m 100% in

 

[workingclass]

Your post here need to improve.
I’d like to see you contribute more than snide comments. Otherwise you can head on back over to meso.

the lmao might be being snide no clue but I wonder the same thing for my own self and my own personal testing

if someone could explain how jano is biased I would love to hear it. not because I care about sticking up for jano or anyone else but because I'de like to not waste my money
any real insights into biased testing would be appreciated by anyone

We are currently using Analiza. They are a real lab that has absolutely nothing to do with the forums or the bodybuilding world. Currently...

I've been seeing a lot of this analiza and really think that what would solve a lot of this back and forth between members and sponsors about what test lends credibility and what one's don't
the best route here would be to pick one that is acceptable on pm and after that that's it. then going forward all sponsors/members (if allowed to post again results in the future) can no longer minimize a result based purely on the lab used.

Don't know, good question, yearly, 6 months, or by the month. My thought that could really add up over time is have a nominal fee for each visit to the testing section on the board. I think a lot of guys would have multiple visits through the year where each visit could be $5, $10, $20 for a one time donation for that visit to view test results.

month to month would probably fall short because how often are we actually buying more gear - 6mth or annual would most likely do better at a reasonable rate for members not willing to test on their own

Perhaps a testing contributor badge

I have always wondered how do these badges come about. I get the moderator and staff member ones. kind of self explanatory
but the ones like verified customer etc how do you actually get these

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I think at the end something good will come from this. something everyone (or majority hopefully) can agree on
in all of this - I personally only 100% trust my own personal test results because only I know what I put in the package to be tested and what my intentions were
everything else is suspect to a degree for the obvious reasons talked about here - vested interests etc.

 

[pothole]

the lmao might be being snide no clue but I wonder the same thing for my own self and my own personal testing

if someone could explain how jano is biased I would love to hear it. not because I care about sticking up for jano or anyone else but because I'de like to not waste my money
any real insights into biased testing would be appreciated by anyone

I've been seeing a lot of this analiza and really think that what would solve a lot of this back and forth between members and sponsors about what test lends credibility and what one's don't
the best route here would be to pick one that is acceptable on pm and after that that's it. then going forward all sponsors/members (if allowed to post again results in the future) can no longer minimize a result based purely on the lab used.

month to month would probably fall short because how often are we actually buying more gear - 6mth or annual would most likely do better at a reasonable rate for members not willing to test on their own

I have always wondered how do these badges come about. I get the moderator and staff member ones. kind of self explanatory
but the ones like verified customer etc how do you actually get these

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I think at the end something good will come from this. something everyone (or majority hopefully) can agree on
in all of this - I personally only 100% trust my own personal test results because only I know what I put in the package to be tested and what my intentions were
everything else is suspect to a degree for the obvious reasons talked about here - vested interests etc.

Also curious to know how jano could be biased or unreliable when I personally send in 1ml of a substance in generic perfume vial, with the only markings being a randomized number I made up.

Somehow the substance gets correctly identified and the mg/ml is where I thought it would be.

 

[Ranchhand]

Also curious to know how jano could be biased or unreliable when I personally send in 1ml of a substance in generic perfume vial, with the only markings being a randomized number I made up.

Somehow the substance gets correctly identified and the mg/ml is where I thought it would be.

I would assume the biased testing is selective per a request and invested interest.

 

[gib68sg]

the lmao might be being snide no clue but I wonder the same thing for my own self and my own personal testing

if someone could explain how jano is biased I would love to hear it. not because I care about sticking up for jano or anyone else but because I'de like to not waste my money
any real insights into biased testing would be appreciated by anyone

I've been seeing a lot of this analiza and really think that what would solve a lot of this back and forth between members and sponsors about what test lends credibility and what one's don't
the best route here would be to pick one that is acceptable on pm and after that that's it. then going forward all sponsors/members (if allowed to post again results in the future) can no longer minimize a result based purely on the lab used.

month to month would probably fall short because how often are we actually buying more gear - 6mth or annual would most likely do better at a reasonable rate for members not willing to test on their own

I have always wondered how do these badges come about. I get the moderator and staff member ones. kind of self explanatory
but the ones like verified customer etc how do you actually get these

--------------------------

I think at the end something good will come from this. something everyone (or majority hopefully) can agree on
in all of this - I personally only 100% trust my own personal test results because only I know what I put in the package to be tested and what my intentions were
everything else is suspect to a degree for the obvious reasons talked about here - vested interests etc.

Slightly off topic here but you asked…become a verified customer and get access to VIP contests by making a purchase at the pro m store. Put your username in the comments section. I suggest getting synthetine lol

 

[bbxtreme]

Whatever it takes to keep unbiased testing going, I'm in. I think it keeps integrity of the board. Members can trust they're a part of the best board on the net.

What are you guys thinking, Revive AnaSci independent testing? I know AnaSci has always been linked to PM, but make that more formal? Or just create a subforum or subsection here on PM that is donation based to have access?

Agreed and I would be in for this and donate. I think most serious members here would.

This board doesn’t owe anyone anything and we don’t owe it anything. We currently get out of it what we post, or don’t post.

If everyone wants skin in the game then we must contribute through our time or money for transparency on testing, which must be done objectively.