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An illustration of a rational approach to cycle design (e.g., a short, minimally suppressive, recomp cycle for a photo shoot/film) [Author: Type-IIx]

Interesting, it worked quite well for my client that did his photo shoot last week, and he's still able to train with regular intensity because he feels great.
Sure sure because muscle accretion is accomplished in 2 weeks right? No disrespectery well familiar with Biology and biochemistry, and with all the mumbo jumbo and fancy words that you use, you say your client accomplished good results in 2 weeks. That jus makes look not very smart again no disrespect meant.

We both know that AAS don't exert any decent effects in 2 weeks
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This is a recent 7 day change from a client who ran a low dose of Var, only 4x, over the course of that week.

Granted, basically every condition was in place for him to have a dramatic tightening of his stomach (formerly obese, isn't super lean, tends to run high cortisol, was due for a water-weight drop, first time running Var on an otherwise low-dose cycle, etc.), but I've seen this or something similar enough times to know that even a low dose of Var can have a dramatic visual effect very quickly.

And yes, this is going to be nearly all SubQ water, but we're talking about prepping for a photo shoot here, and the visual results are what matters, right?

And, similar to TypeII's anecdote, this client's training went from *seeing the first signs of dragging ass after 9-10 weeks of cutting* to *holy shit these workouts are the best of my life*. That's worth something.
Please stop. Anyone who says AAS accomplish anything in regards to muscle accretion in 2 weeks is smoking the magical tobacco.
 
Sure sure because muscle accretion is accomplished in 2 weeks right? No disrespectery well familiar with Biology and biochemistry, and with all the mumbo jumbo and fancy words that you use, you say your client accomplished good results in 2 weeks. That jus makes look not very smart again no disrespect meant.

We both know that AAS don't exert any decent effects in 2 weeks

Please stop. Anyone who says AAS accomplish anything in regards to muscle accretion in 2 weeks is smoking the magical tobacco.
This is a 6+2 (8 week) cycle. It was assumed that the reader understood the rationales supporting combination of test mast tren (TMT) & Var and its effects. But, OK, I'll explain: the 2 weeks of Mast Prop & Var are not aimed at maximal muscle accretion (this seems to be a commonly misunderstood point on this thread).

Mast Prop and Anavar serve to reduce net suppressive effects of 6 weeks of Tren Ace & Test Prop and serve the task of recomp by Var's lipolysis (preferentially sheds ab fat via a unique hepatic ketogenic mechanism) and Mast's reducing the uptake of estrogens - serving in combination, in fact, to build some muscle actually, however minor; but more for hardening/drying out. It's prep for a photo shoot (not bodybuilding).

I'm not insulted, to be insulted I'd have to believe we're somewhere in the same universe of understanding. I don't think your understanding of AAS is appreciable enough to really debate the topic, so this reads more like some sort of histrionic lashing out than anything approaching a rational though.
 
What are your thoughts on the human trials for trestolone as contraception? When trestolone came back in vogue around 7 years ago I found them (conclusion: not reliable enough at suppression to be male contraception) but haven't been able to the last few years.
If memory serves, MENT wasn't pursued for this task because its tradeoffs (risk/reward) were unfavorable - a) it increased BP substantially even at the minimal effective doses trialled, and b) it was less efficacious than other agents (usually combination therapies) in suppressing spermatogenesis (btw, very difficult to do fully). There was also some concern that even at these low doses there was myotrophy (muscle anabolism).

What I believe:
* MENT is particularly suppressive versus alternative commercially available AAS
* ... comparable to testosterone+etonogestrel in its suppressive effects

What I do not believe:
* MENT is bad, mmkay
 
View attachment 162205

This is a recent 7 day change from a client who ran a low dose of Var, only 4x, over the course of that week.

Granted, basically every condition was in place for him to have a dramatic tightening of his stomach (formerly obese, isn't super lean, tends to run high cortisol, was due for a water-weight drop, first time running Var on an otherwise low-dose cycle, etc.), but I've seen this or something similar enough times to know that even a low dose of Var can have a dramatic visual effect very quickly.

And yes, this is going to be nearly all SubQ water, but we're talking about prepping for a photo shoot here, and the visual results are what matters, right?

And, similar to TypeII's anecdote, this client's training went from *seeing the first signs of dragging ass after 9-10 weeks of cutting* to *holy shit these workouts are the best of my life*. That's worth something.
Bro he's not even fucking stage ready, pussy dose, and he should blast and cruise if he wants to slab on muscle. /s

Good illustration of using low dose var and a demonstration of its rapid lipolytic effects in the abdominal depot.
 
Sure sure because muscle accretion is accomplished in 2 weeks right? No disrespectery well familiar with Biology and biochemistry, and with all the mumbo jumbo and fancy words that you use, you say your client accomplished good results in 2 weeks. That jus makes look not very smart again no disrespect meant.

We both know that AAS don't exert any decent effects in 2 weeks

Please stop. Anyone who says AAS accomplish anything in regards to muscle accretion in 2 weeks is smoking the magical tobacco.
You didn't even read my post did you? You just saw my name and decided to set up a strawman and start swinging.
 
Trll
This is a 6+2 (8 week) cycle. It was assumed that the reader understood the rationales supporting combination of test mast tren (TMT) & Var and its effects. But, OK, I'll explain: the 2 weeks of Mast Prop & Var are not aimed at maximal muscle accretion (this seems to be a commonly misunderstood point on this thread).

Mast Prop and Anavar serve to reduce net suppressive effects of 6 weeks of Tren Ace & Test Prop and serve the task of recomp by Var's lipolysis (preferentially sheds ab fat via a unique hepatic ketogenic mechanism) and Mast's reducing the uptake of estrogens - serving in combination, in fact, to build some muscle actually, however minor; but more for hardening/drying out. It's prep for a photo shoot (not bodybuilding).

I'm not insulted, to be insulted I'd have to believe we're somewhere in the same universe of understanding. I don't think your understanding of AAS is appreciable enough to really debate the topic, so this reads more like some sort of histrionic lashing out than anything approaching a rational though.
Tell yourself whatever need be to float your boat. I do have a degree in biochemistry, biology and computer science.

Granted I don't use "sophisticated" words like you do because in reality if you can't simplify what ought to be simple for everyone to not to scratch their head and pull up a medical dictionary you then your just tickling your own pickle.

You seem to to be quick at insulting people who don't have "degrees" in body science. You're not doing yourself any favors because most people here will respect the likes of @luki7788 and many others on this board because they tell it as it is vs the the sophisticated jargon that you spew. Alex Kickle comes to mind. So please get down off of your high horse because I can't insult you in so many ways as well but I chose not to be the smart ass of the board.

Now I have a petite high end blonde escort showering and I'm ready to have some fun. You should too ;) relax friend.
 
I'd have to guess the final weeks let suppressive drugs taper off even though they are short esters - these drugs generated the majority of the gains/recomp effect which was the goal and the final two weeks gets any water out and allows for the "look" to appear in time for the photoshoot which from memory was the goal/event. I don't think anyone said anything about maximizing gains or anabolism in the final two weeks and that this was a reason for the drug switch. Seems a lot like a mini prep or what most models would do for a shoot.

This is from memory a few days ago when I read it. Then again my memory or understanding might be wrong but I did actually read the thing.
 
Trll

Tell yourself whatever need be to float your boat. I do have a degree in biochemistry, biology and computer science.

Granted I don't use "sophisticated" words like you do because in reality if you can't simplify what ought to be simple for everyone to not to scratch their head and pull up a medical dictionary you then your just tickling your own pickle.

You seem to to be quick at insulting people who don't have "degrees" in body science. You're not doing yourself any favors because most people here will respect the likes of @luki7788 and many others on this board because they tell it as it is vs the the sophisticated jargon that you spew. Alex Kickle comes to mind. So please get down off of your high horse because I can't insult you in so many ways as well but I chose not to be the smart ass of the board.

Now I have a petite high end blonde escort showering and I'm ready to have some fun. You should too ;) relax friend.
Impressive education, but just can't figure out how to read. You bring up luki, who speaks Polish fluently as his first language and his English reading comprehension is better than yours (an American). Highly impressed by your paying for sex, friend. Wow, blonde. Amazing.

I was under the impression Mesterolone is not anabolic in skeletal muscle tissue...
LOL bro come on. More of this insufficient muscle anabolism shit?!
 
I was under the impression Mesterolone is not anabolic in skeletal muscle tissue...
He doesnt state that it is ? He answers if proviron is put instead of mast then at what dose.
 
Impressive education, but just can't figure out how to read. You bring up luki, who speaks Polish fluently as his first language and his English reading comprehension is better than yours (an American). Highly impressed by your paying for sex, friend. Wow, blonde. Amazing.


LOL bro come on. More of this insufficient muscle anabolism shit?!
Lol don't give 2 shits about you in all honesty. You seem like a complete nerd trying to proof something.

While I dined on a $700 Wagyu steak and fucked a gorgeous 10 last night, what were you doing? Still fighting others to proof that you're somebody that can write junk?

Too many goofs the likes of you and your followers who most likely are in their 20s. Do you know why Mike Arnold gained so much respect and popularity? Because he was a down to earth fella who actually educated without being a dick about it and without insulting people.

You post your crap on Meso as well to try to gain some traction and perhaps sell a book?

Most pros or whomever person(s) who abuse PEDs at the end of the day they do it to eventually make a living. Sure sure we all enjoy the look, but there comes a point where most people in their 40s and 50s give the drugs up because they know it's not healthy and because they're not doing it for financial gains.

So a person like myself don't give a a damn because I'm living the life where most dream of without abusing any drugs or writing tales and jargon similar to what you do.

You can say, write, bark, huff and puff all day, you're still a computer nerd who probably masturbates to porn. No one cares man no one.
 
I'm not going to hunt down some literature to prove my point. Anecdotally i've never seen someone get big/grow off Prov.

Primo...I have.
yes this needs to be cleared up - proviron is a feel good drug and sure it hardens you up if you are 10% or below other than that Id only expect SBHG binding so on a low dose of HRT Test, it feels and acts like a lot more. It's also great for libido, sense of well being , but it does ZERO for hypertrophy
 
Lol don't give 2 shits about you in all honesty. You seem like a complete nerd trying to proof something. While I dined on a $700 Wagyu steak and fucked a gorgeous 10 last night, what were you doing? Still fighting others to proof that you're somebody that can write junk? Too many goofs the likes of you and your followers who most likely are in their 20s. Do you know why Mike Arnold gained so much respect and popularity? Because he was a down to earth fella who actually educated without being a dick about it and without insulting people. You post your crap on Meso as well to try to gain some traction and perhaps sell a book? Most pros or whomever person(s) who abuse PEDs at the end of the day they do it to eventually make a living. Sure sure we all enjoy the look, but there comes a point where most people in their 40s and 50s give the drugs up because they know it's not healthy and because they're not doing it for financial gains. So a person like myself don't give a a damn because I'm living the life where most dream of without abusing any drugs or writing tales and jargon similar to what you do. You can say, write, bark, huff and puff all day, you're still a computer nerd who probably masturbates to porn. No one cares man no one.

The computer science graduate is calling me a computer nerd and bragging about paying for a hooker.
Your assumptions about me are hilariously wrong. Last night I got back from the gym and worked on clients' programs for the most part, fucked my girl because I don't have to pay for sex and am normal, pretty typical night. One of us is absolutely trying to prove something. Word of advice - don't bother trying to bully someone who comes to the boards for this very thing (it's just entertaining for me).
 
Au naturel. Following this illustrative example, a healthy man should be rapidly eugonadal. The healthy man could use 2.5 mg oxandrolone (completely nonsuppressive & provides for basal AR function) as needed if not at 100% functioning.
I've been meaning to ask, I'm very curious about this.

Are you asserting that the average healthy natural trainee could run 2.5mg var/day without worry about HPTA suppression?

I know we've discussed var before, particularly the fact that (IIRC) we don't have studies showing var use that low, so I'm very curious where that assertion stems from.
 
I've been meaning to ask, I'm very curious about this.

Are you asserting that the average healthy natural trainee could run 2.5mg var/day without worry about HPTA suppression?

I know we've discussed var before, particularly the fact that (IIRC) we don't have studies showing var use that low, so I'm very curious where that assertion stems from.
Yeah, I am. As (high dose) 80 mg oxandrolone daily x 12 weeks led to a mere 31% decrease in free T in HIV-infected men and a mere 2.5 mg oxandrolone provides ~8,000 nM androgen. Though it does not supplant 5α-reductase nor aromatase functions of T, T secretion will be preserved with the given design.
 

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