Anabolic Round Table Debate - Thoughts on VigrousSteve's Steroid/Peptide/Fat Burner Tier List? (ft. Dr Dean & Kurt Havens)

[BALDNAZI]

The real fat burner tier list:

Calorie deficit + Cardio.

But that doesnt get clicks, people dont wanna hear that

Goes without saying
But you add those 3 I listed and beautiful things happen.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

These are all opinions, and Steve is free to have them. I'm also not a fan of the chart method, but it gets clicks.
VS for the most part does his homework so I usually take what he says at face value and likely well-founded. I'll dig deeper into it if I feel the need to.

I may personally disagree with some stuff there, but it depends on perspective.
For example in the injectable chart he has trenbolone at the top and deca further down, I'd reverse that - but it depends on what your needs are.

On the pharma vs generic GH - we can debate that until the heat death of the universe. Unless we can test both in exactly the same conditions, user blinded, we will never know.
I know I am perfectly comfortable with using only generics. I personally think GH is overrated for direct muscle growth anyway.

Perfect response.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

If you have anxiety, half the fat burner list can be deleted lol

Agreed.

Things I can’t tolerate at any dose anymore…
Clen
Tren
PreWO’s
Every day use of ephedrine
Rauwolscine
Yohimbine
T3 above 25mcg
Low IQ women with loud voices.
Anybody under 25 years old at the gym.

Masters Competitor blues.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Just screenshotting the list and saying, "what do we think?" is kind of worthless.
Steve spends quite awhile explaining every pro and con of each drug on this list...as well as whyyy its ranked here.
He also has other guests on to give different perspectives...again, dude is extremeeely knowledgable and researches the shit out of everything, providing studies on basically everything.

"why does he have ____ here and _____ there?!" Go watch the fuckin video.
The guy is smarter and looks better than 95% of people here lol

I dont necessarily watch alll of his content nor am i a crazy fan, but he's incredibly smart and is very well respected.

 

[Serotoninskeptic]

Just screenshotting the list and saying, "what do we think?" is kind of worthless.
Steve spends quite awhile explaining every pro and con of each drug on this list...as well as whyyy its ranked here.
He also has other guests on to give different perspectives...again, dude is extremeeely knowledgable and researches the shit out of everything, providing studies on basically everything.

"why does he have ____ here and _____ there?!" Go watch the fuckin video.
The guy is smarter and looks better than 95% of people here lol

I dont necessarily watch alll of his content nor am i a crazy fan, but he's incredibly smart and is very well respected.

Fair, I agree that it makes more sense to watch the full videos FIRST before saying anything about his placements.

Anddd as I shouldve expected the thread has mostly just turned into people bashing steve and paying no attention to the actual lists themselves lol

 

[hogan87]

10-Hour Consultation Coaching Package​

$20,000.00

Yeah this guy is nuts!

 

[TheOtherOne55]

10-Hour Consultation Coaching Package​

$20,000.00

Yeah this guy is nuts!

Guys
For the love of god go watch a video lol

He doesnt work with BBers, contest preppers, lifestyle clients...he talks about this openly on his videos.
He said that the overall time commitment to that is nuts and he made a switch to basically working with biohacker CEO types...rich guys who want to spend big $$$ to have a dedicated "consultant" work with them around the clock.

This thread is like people watching a highlight video of Lebron's missed shots then saying, "Man, this guy fucking sucks huh?" Literally making just random statements with almost no info, no context whatsoever.

 

[pistonpump]

We get it u guys love Steve but just because I don't like someone do I have to justify all the reasons I don't? I just don't, so deal with it. people have different opinions. Like if I said the cowboys suck but someone wants to say but they were good this year or they have this stat or that, doesn't mean I can't say they don't suck ass. Or if I said Mike israetel was a genius and his training is the best, I'm sure people would disagree but does that take away from Mike? Prob not. Steve is still making a ton of money and doing what he loves but do we have to have a pissing match on whether he has good content or not?

 

[pistonpump]

I'm not going to keep this pissing match going

 

[LATS]

I listen to alot of their content.. ill.listen to Todd Lee also etc.. I dont have to agree with everything but I will listen..

 

[BALDNAZI]

Guys
For the love of god go watch a video lol

He doesnt work with BBers, contest preppers, lifestyle clients...he talks about this openly on his videos.
He said that the overall time commitment to that is nuts and he made a switch to basically working with biohacker CEO types...rich guys who want to spend big $$$ to have a dedicated "consultant" work with them around the clock.

This thread is like people watching a highlight video of Lebron's missed shots then saying, "Man, this guy fucking sucks huh?" Literally making just random statements with almost no info, no context whatsoever.

Nailed it. People see prices some of these guys charge and start screaming. It’s pretty fucking simple, you’re not his target! Guys like VS, Dr Trevor etc are working an entirely different clientele that has more money than they know what to with.
Appreciate the hustle and move on lol, they charge it because THEY CAN GET IT!
Never reach into another man’s wallet, it’s a bad look.

In the meantime they give out so much free info, if you have half a brain you can piece things together do the research and form your own plans. You are your own experiment, it’s not that hard with the available info.

 

[jackedsanta]

Nailed it. People see prices some of these guys charge and start screaming. It’s pretty fucking simple, you’re not his target! Guys like VS, Dr Trevor etc are working an entirely different clientele that has more money than they know what to with.
Appreciate the hustle and move on lol, they charge it because THEY CAN GET IT!
Never reach into another man’s wallet, it’s a bad look.

In the meantime they give out so much free info, if you have half a brain you can piece things together do the research and form your own plans. You are your own experiment, it’s not that hard with the available info.

So don't join trevors Black card program is that what your saying

 

[BALDNAZI]

So don't join trevors Black card program is that what your saying

EXACTLY!!! I wouldn't pay for it but understand why certain people would. I hear him talk about it and I don't even flinch. The average person has no concept of the amount of money out there, who has it and what they're willing to spend it on. The scarcity mindset the average person has is an absolute killer. These influencer guys know the glitch in the system and exploit it. Good for them.

 

[Ranchhand]

So don't join trevors Black card program is that what your saying

This comment made me laugh out loud! Thanks for the good laugh jackedsanta

Side note: wishing you a speedy recovery, brother

 

[dantes]

EXACTLY!!! I wouldn't pay for it but understand why certain people would. I hear him talk about it and I don't even flinch. The average person has no concept of the amount of money out there, who has it and what they're willing to spend it on. The scarcity mindset the average person has is an absolute killer. These influencer guys know the glitch in the system and exploit it. Good for them.

Well when you have all the money in the world of course one would want to be healthy and live forever so I get it. Not to mention what some have done to be ultra rich well they probably fear judgement day for good reason so are doing everything to avoid it.

 

[Ranchhand]

Not to mention what some have done to be ultra rich well they probably fear judgement day for good reason so are doing everything to avoid it.

Now that is the most valid statement I've heard all day.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Now that is the most valid statement I've heard all day.

He IS the guy Liver King tried to hire. Steve had an issue with him and wound up outing his cycle.

He couldn’t fix crazy.

 

[madg]

He IS the guy Liver King tried to hire. Steve had an issue with him and wound up outing his cycle.

He couldn’t fix crazy.

Nice so steve is a rat too

Liver king being a fuck up has nothing to do with steve rat on him

And i hate liver king fyi

 

[oldskater]

Nice so steve is a rat too

Liver king being a fuck up has nothing to do with steve rat on him

And i hate liver king fyi

Agreed. Why would anyone trust a guy who will release private information between a client and coach for likes and views? You'd never see Skip Hill, Justin Harris, Scott Stevenson or any other respectable coach do that.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Agreed. Why would anyone trust a guy who will release private information between a client and coach for likes and views? You'd never see Skip Hill, Justin Harris, Scott Stevenson or any other respectable coach do that.

Justin Harris did a podcast where he spoke about a private conversation regarding Ronnie Coleman’s cycle. It was a few years ago, but technically it’s the same thing.

He must be a rat too, based on your definition. You should never trust him again.