anabolics into my 50's

[Hard gainner]

I have been using anabolics since i was 25 recovering from chemotherapy for 3 years. I essentially was 150lbs and couldnt gain weight. i started my first cycle of 250mg of test enthenate a week and one shot of sustanon a week for 3 months, I went from 155 lbs to 195lbs. My diet was horrible but i got plenty of clean unclean calories.Through out my 27 year journey with anabolics ive tried them all liked some didnt like others.I am currenly 52 years old and i am 217lbs 5-10 at 13% body fat. My i guess own hrt protocol is 600mgs of test 250 and 150 of deca for now. All my labs cvome back fine. No blood pressure issuses or cholestrol issuses nor liver or kidney. Does anyone in their 50's and beyond have no bad health markers. Basically asking if anyone has liver or kidney problems relating to decades of anabolic use.

 

[bigbumpkin2003]

I am pretty much same as you started later early 40s currently 58. Do bloods twice a year. My HRT is a lot lighter tho. I feel good on 250 mgs atestE split to twice weekly. The numbers you’re running is my blast

 

[gungalunga]

600 test and 150 deca is not hrt, it is a steroid cycle. I'm glad to hear your blood markers are good but you might want to consider your priorities for long term health. I'm 55 y.o. and I am currently using 300mg of test C per week. This puts my total test at about 2600 and my free test at about 870. This is more than enough for me to maintain my fitness goals. I also use gh, but if you had cancer I would stay away from gh. I wish you the best with the current cycle you are running but I hope you will get blood work done regularly to make sure you stay healthy long term.

 

[Dens228]

I'm 60, closer to 61. My markers are all spot on. I've never been a super high does guy.
I had to chuckle at your "TRT" dose though. But whatever you need to tell yourself.........

 

[Mufasa123]

50 - used on/off since late teens. All markers fine. My creatinine runs a bit high and egfr based on it is at or a few under the limit but cystatin-c is great as is egfr from that (always been this way with creatinine). HDL runs lower end but always has as well.

All that said I never pushed stuff super hard and tend to tolerate the drugs well. My main cruise dose over the last 15 years has been 200 test 200 deca. I've run that for numerous 20 week periods and even 2 years straight. Those don't touch my bloods even up to 750/600.

Wanted to use more primo but it hits HDL at blast doses so not a perfect long term candidate. I can still run tren and orals fine. My mains are test, deca, tren, Mast, primo and trying to work with equipoise in hopes it is like primo without HDL hit (nukes my E2 though so test has to be bigger). Orals I still use winny, var and drol but not often. I ran something like 750 test, 525 tren, 200 deca and 10 weeks of 350mg winny weekly a few years ago. Bloods were OK. Alt/ast - one was in range and other a few pts out and HDL was down some but not much more that 600mg of primo hits it.

I'm at the point where I've dropped down in overall size and just trying to have fun, maintain size/strength, and good conditioning plus overall health. 250lbs is my max even bulking and really I want to be lean and healthy at or under 240 at 6'3". Sitting at 237-238 morning weight now but recovering from injury so scaling training back up and a little recomp.Days of bigger cycles and long periods of stressful compounds are behind me.

 

[Golden]

I have been using anabolics since i was 25 recovering from chemotherapy for 3 years. I essentially was 150lbs and couldnt gain weight. i started my first cycle of 250mg of test enthenate a week and one shot of sustanon a week for 3 months, I went from 155 lbs to 195lbs. My diet was horrible but i got plenty of clean unclean calories.Through out my 27 year journey with anabolics ive tried them all liked some didnt like others.I am currenly 52 years old and i am 217lbs 5-10 at 13% body fat. My i guess own hrt protocol is 600mgs of test 250 and 150 of deca for now. All my labs cvome back fine. No blood pressure issuses or cholestrol issuses nor liver or kidney. Does anyone in their 50's and beyond have no bad health markers. Basically asking if anyone has liver or kidney problems relating to decades of anabolic use.

Have you had any other testing besides bloods, like and MRI, etc?

 

[Mufasa123]

I would imagine bigpumpkin2003 is referring to his "cruise" or maintenance dose. He used the HRT term and in fairness he is very much replacing his natural hormones with it (and lots more!). It's just not medical TRT or HRT.

 

[Swifto]

At 50, before ramping drugs up to "blast" doses, I'd get a CT scan and Echo first.

 

[emeric delczeg]

At 50, before ramping drugs up to "blast" doses, I'd get a CT scan and Echo first.

The problem is that they will chose the one they like no the one is the best for longevity and health.

 

[gauge22-v2]

50 - used on/off since late teens. All markers fine. My creatinine runs a bit high and egfr based on it is at or a few under the limit but cystatin-c is great as is egfr from that (always been this way with creatinine). HDL runs lower end but always has as well.

All that said I never pushed stuff super hard and tend to tolerate the drugs well. My main cruise dose over the last 15 years has been 200 test 200 deca. I've run that for numerous 20 week periods and even 2 years straight. Those don't touch my bloods even up to 750/600.

Wanted to use more primo but it hits HDL at blast doses so not a perfect long term candidate. I can still run tren and orals fine. My mains are test, deca, tren, Mast, primo and trying to work with equipoise in hopes it is like primo without HDL hit (nukes my E2 though so test has to be bigger). Orals I still use winny, var and drol but not often. I ran something like 750 test, 525 tren, 200 deca and 10 weeks of 350mg winny weekly a few years ago. Bloods were OK. Alt/ast - one was in range and other a few pts out and HDL was down some but not much more that 600mg of primo hits it.

I'm at the point where I've dropped down in overall size and just trying to have fun, maintain size/strength, and good conditioning plus overall health. 250lbs is my max even bulking and really I want to be lean and healthy at or under 240 at 6'3". Sitting at 237-238 morning weight now but recovering from injury so scaling training back up and a little recomp.Days of bigger cycles and long periods of stressful compounds are behind me.

Tren has less of an impact on your lipids compared to Primo?

 

[Mufasa123]

Tren has less of an impact on your lipids compared to Primo?

So two readings - normal HDL is 35-39. I include E2 as that can contribute.

HDL 21 = 750 test, 525 tren, 200 deca and 10 weeks of 350 oral winny on top (injects were probably 16 weeks at that point). I forget where E2 was but not overly high or low. Probably used aromasin here.

HDL 26 = 500 test/600 primo (E2 was 51 or just at/above top range - no AI, but primo cut my normal 500 test E2 in half) .

For further context 750 test 600 deca keeps HDL 35-39 so it's the primo for sure (can run Aromasin AI and E2 doesn't seem to correlate to low HDL for me - but I also don't crash it like a nimrod either). Repeated the primo/test blast with bloods a couple times as 200 masteron was in it the first run and I thought the low HDL was Mast - wrong, ran it without and primo alone hit it. Added back the 200mg of Mast after as I feel kind of meh on primo without it. Got bloods on a 3rd 500 test 600 primo 200 Mast run and was the same roughly (I conclude major hit was primo and 200 Mast in/out didn't move HDL much if at all).

As far as tren vs primo on HDL I'm not sure but mg/mg it seems not a mega difference. Also lots of trt+ guys over the last few years running 100-200mg of primo have seen HDL impacts.

 

[gauge22-v2]

So two readings - normal HDL is 35-39. I include E2 as that can contribute.

HDL 21 = 750 test, 525 tren, 200 deca and 10 weeks of 350 oral winny on top (injects were probably 16 weeks at that point). I forget where E2 was but not overly high or low. Probably used aromasin here.

HDL 26 = 500 test/600 primo (E2 was 51 or just at/above top range - no AI, but primo cut my normal 500 test E2 in half) .

For further context 750 test 600 deca keeps HDL 35-39 so it's the primo for sure (can run Aromasin AI and E2 doesn't seem to correlate to low HDL for me - but I also don't crash it like a nimrod either). Repeated the primo/test blast with bloods a couple times as 200 masteron was in it the first run and I thought the low HDL was Mast - wrong, ran it without and primo alone hit it. Added back the 200mg of Mast after as I feel kind of meh on primo without it. Got bloods on a 3rd 500 test 600 primo 200 Mast run and was the same roughly (I conclude major hit was primo and 200 Mast in/out didn't move HDL much if at all).

As far as tren vs primo on HDL I'm not sure but mg/mg it seems not a mega difference. Also lots of trt+ guys over the last few years running 100-200mg of primo have seen HDL impacts.

Thanks. This is helpful. My last bloods I was on Primo and a typical Test dose and my lipids were worse than usual by a large margin.

 

[buck]

What sort of cancer did you have?

 

[Swifto]

So two readings - normal HDL is 35-39. I include E2 as that can contribute.

HDL 21 = 750 test, 525 tren, 200 deca and 10 weeks of 350 oral winny on top (injects were probably 16 weeks at that point). I forget where E2 was but not overly high or low. Probably used aromasin here.

HDL 26 = 500 test/600 primo (E2 was 51 or just at/above top range - no AI, but primo cut my normal 500 test E2 in half) .

For further context 750 test 600 deca keeps HDL 35-39 so it's the primo for sure (can run Aromasin AI and E2 doesn't seem to correlate to low HDL for me - but I also don't crash it like a nimrod either). Repeated the primo/test blast with bloods a couple times as 200 masteron was in it the first run and I thought the low HDL was Mast - wrong, ran it without and primo alone hit it. Added back the 200mg of Mast after as I feel kind of meh on primo without it. Got bloods on a 3rd 500 test 600 primo 200 Mast run and was the same roughly (I conclude major hit was primo and 200 Mast in/out didn't move HDL much if at all).

As far as tren vs primo on HDL I'm not sure but mg/mg it seems not a mega difference. Also lots of trt+ guys over the last few years running 100-200mg of primo have seen HDL impacts.

I am similar to this with Primo. It's not "healthier" for some of us unfortunately.

450mg TE and 550mg Primo per week.

Normal HDL for me is 33-36.

On the above my HDL dropped to 22.8.

LDL went from 97 to 168.

 

[Bobik]

I am similar to this with Primo. It's not "healthier" for some of us unfortunately.

450mg TE and 550mg Primo per week.

Normal HDL for me is 33-36.

On the above my HDL dropped to 22.8.

LDL went from 97 to 168.

what was the value of E2?

 

[Swifto]

what was the value of E2?

Primo doesn't effect my E2.

 

[Mufasa123]

I am similar to this with Primo. It's not "healthier" for some of us unfortunately.

450mg TE and 550mg Primo per week.

Normal HDL for me is 33-36.

On the above my HDL dropped to 22.8.

LDL went from 97 to 168.

This is interesting. While primo hit my HDL on all cycles it didn't touch ldl/tris or any other reading. Would have been great blood work outside of HDL. This was all done over 3 years a couple of years back as I was considering making primo a much more mainstay compound just for general health (ran three ~20 week blasts with test/primo at 500/600). HDL is what made me change course. I'll still use it but not at the level I'd considered.

I want to get some equipoise under my belt with bloods. I've oddly not used it, 1.5 years ago I put 600mg into a run and it nuked my E2, but wondering it it will leave stuff alone similar to test/deca. Only issue is I'll need to run much higher test but we'll see.

 

[MouthBreather1982]

Why the what and the superior ester?

 

[pins]

Im 66 years old and been juicing for over half of my life...no ill health issues at all.

 

[Hard gainner]

Have you had any other testing besides bloods, like and MRI, etc?

i am going to get a calcifacation test which is 150.00 out of pocket.It sees how much calcilification is in your arteries. I have a ekg twice a year and its normal.