Another BBer down

[PHIL HERNON]

Defensive?

phil, you singled me out at the beginning if the post.. period.. i have responded very professionally while you say that i am "silly", as you put it in my thoughts amongst other insinuations.. the above post about somehow taking gear is responsible for his death because it made him successful in the porn industry which led to his illness and death.. and tie that in making gear his cause if death.. is a stretch.. if you feel i made yo look bad by responding to that.. please re read your post.. you also state that somehow i am comfortable making a % about death ect ect.. trying to once gain, insinuate somthing about me or my character.. re read your posts.. as for responding to your aids question.. i am still waiting on my response about how gear the cause of his death..

LATS, dont you think you get a little too defensive when I post my thoughts? I never called you "silly". I never attacked your character. If you think silly faces and sarcasm is professional, then we have two very different definitions of professional. We are not judging each other on how professional we are, this is a serious issue. If you wish to avoid the obvious, then I am talking to a wall. Again, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE post a medical journal article on steroids prolonging the life of an AIDS patient. Why are you not doing this? I think I know...............Its ok, if you cant back it up, just say so. If you can produce it, then accept my full apology.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

So what you are saying is..

phil you also forget that i am the one who consistantly posts on here the need for low dose gear usage.. i have always put our members health above all else.. i never, ever recommend over 1000m,gs total week.. and most the time less.. so while you state you want to save lives.. i am all for that.. my past threads speak for themselves.. but, i want it based on the facts and not stretches.. ask anyone who i have helped prep and gave advise to.. i always recommend very low dosages.

That there IS a specific dose you prescribe. 1000mgs, but most of the time less. Let me ask you this, what is a "very low dose"? Is "very low" to someone like me "very low" to someone else?

 

[LATS]

phil if you think you have in anyway , shape or form not tried to make insinuations i would once again advise youu start re reading your posts.. you know what you wrote.. i am sorry about the "face".. i responded very professionally to that point.. but, do not act as though you have not posted "things" on here that would not offend me or any other mod who try to keep peace around here.. and not act as though you did not mean anything about how "comfortable" i would be about percentage of deaths.. ect.. as for the aids thing.. we can do this all day and night.. you stated "one thing at a time".. i am waiting for my response that was first.. unless you do not have one..

 

[LATS]

as for dose.. good question.. alot if it is based on how well one responds, genetic ect.. i am not will to find that out and take a chance.. if someone is a seasoned vet i STILL will not recommend over 1000 mgs.. i am not willing to take any chances.. that is why we can not sit here and say abuse and us.. use for some is abuse for others.. a example would be roddick.. we dont know what he took.. could be very much use.. we dont know how he responded.. we dont know how he cycled.. we can not jump to conclusions that gear did anything when the cause of death is known to not be from "gear"..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Yes

phil if you think you have in anyway , shape or form not tried to make insinuations i would once again advise youu start re reading your posts.. you know what you wrote.. i am sorry about the "face".. i responded very professionally to that point.. but, do not act as though you have not posted "things" on here that would not offend me or any other mod who try to keep peace around here.. and not act as though you did not mean anything about how "comfortable" i would be about percentage of deaths.. ect.. as for the aids thing.. we can do this all day and night.. you stated "one thing at a time".. i am waiting for my response that was first.. unless you do not have one..

Yes, I insuated that you were the one coming to the defense of steroids everytime someone gets sick. For some reason you seem to think that all I want is to cause trouble on here. I want people to think, I dont want anyone mislead, disrespected, or cheated. You have insinuated many times that I should be banned, even going to other MODS who are my friends trying to ban me.Try this. Lets see if you can produce what you promised? If not, how can I trust what you say, your advice? Produce the journal where it says that steroids prolong AIDS patients life. I am not trying to cause trouble, I just want you to back up your statement that I feel is total bullshit.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

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as for dose.. good question.. alot if it is based on how well one responds, genetic ect.. i am not will to find that out and take a chance.. if someone is a seasoned vet i STILL will not recommend over 1000 mgs.. i am not willing to take any chances.. that is why we can not sit here and say abuse and us.. use for some is abuse for others.. a example would be roddick.. we dont know what he took.. could be very much use.. we dont know how he responded.. we dont know how he cycled.. we can not jump to conclusions that gear did anything when the cause of death is known to not be from "gear"..

1000 mgs? That is just a weight measurement. 1000 mgs of anadrol? Test? Deca? 1000mgs means nothing to me. Why 1000mgs?

 

[LATS]

phil.. i have tried to have you banned? try ALL THE MODS at one point and time have tried to have you banned.. you seem to be a ongoing concern.. not one singled out mod.. phil why do you keep throwing this back in my court? i said i would show studies if you could back up what you have said about gear being respoinsible for his cause of death.. now, show me..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

LATS

phil.. i have tried to have you banned? try ALL THE MODS at one point and time have tried to have you banned.. you seem to be a ongoing concern.. not one singled out mod.. phil why do you keep throwing this back in my court? i said i would show studies if you could back up what you have said about gear being respoinsible for his cause of death.. now, show me..

I never said it CAUSED his death. YOU DID SAY THAT IT PROLONGED LIFE. I am just asking you to back it up, thats all. Now, is that causing trouble? Cause for concern?

 

[LATS]

since i have not gotten a straight answer.. i will post this and will post other later.. i have other stuff to do today besides this lol..www.medscape.com/viewarticle/416763_1 this tells of the deterioration aspect of aids and it quickening the death.. also discusses gear keeping and maintaining muscle mass ect.. which in turn keeps the immune system healthier ect ect.. which n turn prolongs survival ect.. has nothing to do with them looking better while sick..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

LATS

Answer this please. Why do you feel the need to even read my threads? When I post about a BBer going down, why do you even bother to look? It is ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL to defend steroids. Even without saying what caused the death , you defend steroid use. Why is that?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

SO

since i have not gotten a straight answer.. i will post this and will post other later.. i have other stuff to do today besides this lol..www.medscape.com/viewarticle/416763_1 this tells of the deterioration aspect of aids and it quickening the death.. also discusses gear keeping and maintaining muscle mass ect.. which in turn keeps the immune system healthier ect ect.. which n turn prolongs survival ect.. has nothing to do with them looking better while sick..

You are telling me that steroids promote a healthy immune system?

 

[LATS]

the one quote that sticks out phil "evidence has associated the loss of lean body mass with worsen clinical course and shortened survival in patients with aids".. the term shortened survival... that is what the discussion was about.. right? phil as for answering your posts.. you had this same arguement with mikes just a week ago..

 

[LATS]

phil just read the article.. you stated last week that doctors know more than we give them credit for.. now read the article you requested..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

LATS

phil just read the article.. you stated last week that doctors know more than we give them credit for.. now read the article you requested..

Dont you feel that the loss of muscle mass is a result not a cause? Putting a band aid on a cancer might make it look better, but.........Show me a real article. Show me where anabolic steroids promote a healthy immune system. As far as MIKES is concerned, we are good. Why bring that back up unless you are trying to cause problems. I thought you had better things to do?

 

[Trulyhuge]

I have known LATS for almost 10 years now and base all my bb'ing knowledge(training, diet, gear, etc) from him. It started out him preaching low volume to me and how you do not need multiple sets to achieve muscular failure. He also preached about diet and all its aspects as well.
I have never(not once) heard him recommend taking anything over 1 gram test per week. Multiple compounds and huge amounts of them are never even discussed. The "more is better" approach is not in his vocabulary. I am not taking sides here in any way. But, I will back LATS and say he never recommends huge amounts of gear. Hell, I thought his low recommendations were comical at first but hell, they work. Steroids are getting a bad enough rap through the media with this whole MLB campaign. Blaming a few people for using in baseball is absurd. Then you have this douchebag Canseco bringing out retired players and current players just to sell his book. He says his attack is against MLB. Why in the hell would you drag names out? Anyways, let's not turn this into a war.

TH

 

[LATS]

phil , this is ridiculous... i just gave you a article.. by doctors... in regards to studies.. in regards to evidence they have.. they know more about those studies and the evidence they have produced than you or i.. so ill take their word for in regards to aids and anabolics lengthening survival..

 

[LATS]

i gave ya what you asked for.. that was just one of many that is available.. if you want to hash this out and be men about it.. call me .. you have my number.. this typing is getting old..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

LATS

i gave ya what you asked for.. that was just one of many that is available.. if you want to hash this out and be men about it.. call me .. you have my number.. this typing is getting old..

I tried calling you for 3 weeks, left messages etc......So now you will answer the phone???

 

[LATS]

the study is three pages long not just the one page for those who have asked in pm.. they do get into dosages ect..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

LATS

I have no need to phone someone who tries to gety me banned and gets defensive with every post I make. Typing is not any less manly than a phone conversation that will lead to nothing more but the same.