anti e's hindering gains ?

[deanabol]

what are peoples oppinions on this ?

 

[omen]

id rather not gain a lb or to then get gyno

 

[RESTLESS1]

the key is to find the spot where to use the least amount of anti e's and still get results.......anti e's are very potent drugs.......i believe the sides of anti e's tend to get overlooked........start your dose low and adjust as needed.....be safe

 

[Johnny Smiles]

id rather not gain a lb or to then get gyno

lol.
i have done some hefty doses of test in my past. never even got close to gyno. seems so many guys are scared of gyno but honestly i don't know anyone that has ever had it.
sure some guys do get it but its few n far between.
-JS

 

[nickman1978]

i feel that they do hinder gains to an extent. My last cycle was ran without any anti-e's and i gained a lot more then when i did use an anti-e ...

just sayin ...

 

[nickman1978]

i must addmitt that without the anti-e my body phat was a bit higher ...

 

[Researchstop]

You should never use Test without an AI like Exemestane. Gyno is just one of your worries when your E levels go up. It's affects your prostate, your blood pressure, your fat gain, and several other functions.
The idea that using an AI inhibits gains is ridiculous. Most AI's only inhibit an average of 60% of the Estrogen in men. There is more than enough to grow with.

 

[Tom]

my opinion is if you gain more weight by not using them it's probaby bloat.

 

[ridge11]

Last cycle i ran 300mg test, 500mg eq and used 10mg nolvadex cause i have preexisting gyno that flares up. I wasnt really getting much results after 10 weeks so i dropped the nolvadex and added 50mg proviron and strength gains shot up dramatically.

 

[nickman1978]

my opinion is if you gain more weight by not using them it's probaby bloat.

true dat...

 

[Ashop]

what are peoples oppinions on this ?

If you use them right I say NO. I feel I always look better.

 

[Mr_M]

You should never use Test without an AI like Exemestane. Gyno is just one of your worries when your E levels go up. It's affects your prostate, your blood pressure, your fat gain, and several other functions.
The idea that using an AI inhibits gains is ridiculous. Most AI's only inhibit an average of 60% of the Estrogen in men. There is more than enough to grow with.

I'm curious about how much exemestane you're talking. Is 20mg EOD enough for 500mg test and 500mg bold?

And does it matter if you take 20mg EOD or 10mg ED because of the half life?

 

[Newman]

Last cycle i ran 300mg test, 500mg eq and used 10mg nolvadex cause i have preexisting gyno that flares up. I wasnt really getting much results after 10 weeks so i dropped the nolvadex and added 50mg proviron and strength gains shot up dramatically.

If I remember correctly, Nolva is a SERM, not an AI.

How that relates to your post is that the Nolva wasn't actually preventing the formation of any estrogen, it was only blocking it's absorption by ARs in estrogen sensitive tissues.

I'm not sure whether you were saying that estrogen hindered your gains, or whether Nolva hindered your gains?

 

[mexbeast]

You should never use Test without an AI like Exemestane. Gyno is just one of your worries when your E levels go up. It's affects your prostate, your blood pressure, your fat gain, and several other functions.
The idea that using an AI inhibits gains is ridiculous. Most AI's only inhibit an average of 60% of the Estrogen in men. There is more than enough to grow with.

amen, to that

 

[DBOYY]

i read an artical awhile ago that actually said, that exemestane can actually improve gains.... here is a link tell me what you all take from this....

Why we Should all use Exemestane

 

[Researchstop]

I'm curious about how much exemestane you're talking. Is 20mg EOD enough for 500mg test and 500mg bold?

And does it matter if you take 20mg EOD or 10mg ED because of the half life?

No, it doesn't matter. I personally use 20mg/day. But you can certainly split that. I know I stay leaner on 20mg from experience.

 

[PsyT]

its a personal thing,.,.its very potent for me...I take 5mg EOD and am FINE! Anymore and libido crashes and joints hurt (classic sign of E2 tanking).

 

[wee_man]

I'm curious about how much exemestane you're talking. Is 20mg EOD enough for 500mg test and 500mg bold?

And does it matter if you take 20mg EOD or 10mg ED because of the half life?

Open dose-finding study of a new potent and selective nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor, CGS 20 267, in healthy male subjects

PF Trunet, P Mueller, AS Bhatnagar, I Dickes, G Monnet and G White
Research and Development Department, CIBA-GEIGY Limited, Basel, Switzerland.

The aim of this open, dose-finding study was to evaluate the effects of single dose CGS 20 267, a new oral nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor, on the inhibition of estrogen production and also on the production of adrenal and testicular steroids in healthy male subjects. Nine dose levels ranging from 0.02-30 mg and placebo were tested, each dose being given to 3 subjects only. A total of 18 subjects were included; 12 of them received 2 single administration, the remaining 6 were exposed only once to one of the 2 highest dose levels. A reduction in serum estrogen levels when compared to baseline was already observed after 2 h, reaching maximum suppression between 10 and 48 h after administration. After 24 h, a suppression of estrone levels by 60-85% from baseline was achieved with all tested doses. A reduction in estradiol levels by about 30% from baseline was observed at the lowest dose (0.02 mg). This reduction was further enhanced dose dependently to a maximum of about 90% from baseline at 24 h after administration of the highest dose (30 mg). With the higher doses (10 and 30 mg), estrogen suppression was maintained up to 3 days. A dose-dependent increase of testosterone, LH, and FSH was observed and was most pronounced in the 10- and 30-mg dose groups, which can be considered as a consequence of the long-lasting aromatase inhibition achieved with these high doses. No effect on serum cortisol and aldosterone levels was observed up to the highest dose. No clinically relevant changes were observed in blood chemistry and hematology tests. The systemic and subjective tolerability of CGS 20 267 was good at all doses. This study has shown that CGS 20 267 is a well tolerated, potent, selective, and long-acting inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme after single administration.

 

[Mr_M]

No, it doesn't matter. I personally use 20mg/day. But you can certainly split that. I know I stay leaner on 20mg from experience.

Great, that's much easier because I don't have to recap it to 10mg.

I'll use 20mg EOD as of now.

 

[FIRE0808]

I doubt it will hinder gains. I gain and harden up pretty nicely while on anti-e.