Anybody can be Jay Cutler

[Vander_V]

Heres the story .

Theres this 23yr old kid who is honestly putting his life on the line for Bbing , hes taking in 2k of just test alone not to mention everyting else Ive been speaking with him lately and the more i get to know him the more i find how deep this kid is into the drug and bbing relm, hes been bringing up Cuter from time to time saying "oh you know Cutler turned pro age 24 i think ill be pro in a few years" i think hes trying to portray himself as the next J Cuts and turn pro without much of a struggle, he trains like an animal and acts as if he knows everything there is to know when speaking to people about stuff related to Bbing, he brings his own barbells and handles to the gym and has totally dedicated himself to becoming a freak ,dont get me wrong hes pretty big for 23 at 235lbs at 5ft 8, the only thing is hes retaining about 1 ton of water which makes him blow up and look big but the muscles are blurred. He spoke about asthetics and seemed to have put himself in that catagorie so far everything hes said to me ive gone along with and simply agreed with him , not to upset him, but ist getting outta control he just wasnt given the best genetics for Bbing or pro status, maybe hell become a huge beast and become pro who knows, but at the rate hes going he'll prolly have health issues and a big blocky gross physique.

everybody thinks they can become Cutler or Dex or Arnold, the TRUTH of the matter is LOOK in the fucking mirror , if your blocky, too tall , too lanky, too scrunched up , too short, no asthetics, or just dont have the God given genetic structure you wont amount to shit and this goes for anyone , you either have it or u dont.

Im debating if i should say something to this kid , half of me wants to but the other half says ahhh fuck him let him learn the hard way , its just sad to see this and sad to know one day his dream could be smashed. Just thought id share maybe you guys know others who are like this

 

[LEX]

so you think if you sit him down and give him a "good talking to" he's gonna say gee whiz you're right fuck it I guess I will cut down on the dosages and maybe think about going to school.

I agree with you I just think things like dreams die hard.

 

[Vander_V]

so you think if you sit him down and give him a "good talking to" he's gonna say gee whiz you're right fuck it I guess I will cut down on the dosages and maybe think about going to school.

I agree with you I just think things like dreams die hard.

At least the blood is off my hands and I have done my job in trying to help him, i agree with you hes prolly to hard headed to listen to one word thats negetive towards his Bbing career but its worth a shot , im still debating maybe ill just say fuck it cant save eberybody and especially somebody who doesnt want to be saved.

 

[LEX]

I just think its a waste of time. In my case I get all worried and spend my time thinking about how to talk to them and try to give them some info that maybe they don't have to "pay" as much for as I did in time and blood and for me any way it always end the same.
On BN's surgury thread one of the guys mentions trying to talk some sense into these guys hammering doesages and it really is a waste. I think the one kid is 19?


I dont know ? I think I know how ya feel man but it never works. Good luck though

 

[Maverick]

I wouldnt even bother trying to talk him out of it. Really why would you want to even do thaty. The kid has a goal and a dream so let him try to accomplish it. Basically in my opinion your doing the same thing as others do to people who want to play in the NFL, NBA, etc. Telling them if they dont have 4.3 speed or are not 6 ft 8in they will never amount to shit so why bother.


I would tell the kid to go easy on the gear becuase 2k a week in test alone isnt gonna get him there, but there was a time when you wanted to be a bodybuilder and compete so let the kid have his dream. Will he be the next cutler, prolly not, then again he maybe, you never know but at least let the kid do what he wants.


Mav

 

[Rob Roy]

hmmm... sounds awefully familiar...

At least the blood is off my hands and I have done my job in trying to help him, i agree with you hes prolly to hard headed to listen to one word thats negetive towards his Bbing career but its worth a shot , im still debating maybe ill just say fuck it cant save eberybody and especially somebody who doesnt want to be saved.

Vander, I think I may know xactly who you're speakin of does his 1st name start w/ a C? If not man you are definately describing someone that I know to a T! You're 100% right bout this kid being way too hard headed. Dream, shit this kid is dillusional. I've known him for bout 5 yrs n he's a total bafoon. He's the type that gives the rest of us a bad image. he may have told u that he's on 2k test, but that's just scratchin the surface. He's been on that plus everything else for 5 yrs now without coming off. To top that, I love it when the "gym big" guy talks bout being pro but has never even dieted down or even come close to steppin on a stage. haha. what a frickn joke. This guy was just last week tellin me that he's 8% bf. Try 18% minimum. What ever you say to him is just going to bounce off of his thick arse skull. You're also correct bout the genetic asthetic thing. There is a reason why D. Palumbo has never gone pro.

 

[Vander_V]

Vander, I think I may know xactly who you're speakin of does his 1st name start w/ a C? If not man you are definately describing someone that I know to a T! You're 100% right bout this kid being way too hard headed. Dream, shit this kid is dillusional. I've known him for bout 5 yrs n he's a total bafoon. He's the type that gives the rest of us a bad image. he may have told u that he's on 2k test, but that's just scratchin the surface. He's been on that plus everything else for 5 yrs now without coming off. To top that, I love it when the "gym big" guy talks bout being pro but has never even dieted down or even come close to steppin on a stage. haha. what a frickn joke. This guy was just last week tellin me that he's 8% bf. Try 18% minimum. What ever you say to him is just going to bounce off of his thick arse skull. You're also correct bout the genetic asthetic thing. There is a reason why D. Palumbo has never gone pro.

Yep your correct on everything you just said and yes its the same guy "C" Rob lets keep this between us ok , it just hurts to just sit there and listen to this guy hes so far off base its just sad , not to mention his amounts

 

[Maverick]

ahh I was under the impression this was some star eyed youngster who was a nice kid. From the way you guys are talking this guy seems like a real jackass. In that case why even waste your time. You wont change his opinon or anything else for that matter. Save your breath for laughing at him.



Mav

 

[BrooklynBB]

At least the blood is off my hands and I have done my job in trying to help him, i agree with you hes prolly to hard headed to listen to one word thats negetive towards his Bbing career but its worth a shot , im still debating maybe ill just say fuck it cant save eberybody and especially somebody who doesnt want to be saved.

Vander,

All you have to do is use yourself as an example. You have a physique that really does have pro written all over it, and you have to be honest and tell him what you've been through. Hell, trade shots with him.

He'll tell you that "It's all about muscle maturity". If he brings that up then ask him how mature Sean Ray's muscles were when he dominated the stage at 17?

There's this guy I know also at a local gym who idolizes Jay, and honestly, he looks BETTER than Jay. He's about 5'8" also, and also weighs around 230 but he's only 18!!! He has 19 inch arms, huge chest, small waist, huge legs.

And he wants to look like Jay? This guy has the potential to have a much better v-taper and more pleasing muscle bellies and more balanced but he wants to be Jay.

So I said, "Fine - just read up on how to use 'slin and you'll be on your way to big, blocky, ugly muscles that when ripped up look big with little aesthetics".

But he wont hear it. He takes about a gram of test every week and "cuts up" for the beach (geez). He's on his way to permanent shutdown if he continues with his dosages and his response is, "Ahh, I wont care about this stuff when I'm 30".

I love it how 30 is somehow the death number used by most of these kids. Heh. They have no clue that 30 is only the beginning of real life. Everything previous was boot-camp.

But I digress.

You should talk to him using your physique as an example and what you've done and accomplished and explain to him that out of the few million wanna bes there's only a couple thousand pros in the world.

Ahh... but whatever, he'll learn the hard way but will remember you later on in life for waht it's worth.

 

[Rob Roy]

u ever have to spot him?

Yep your correct on everything you just said and yes its the same guy "C" Rob lets keep this between us ok , it just hurts to just sit there and listen to this guy hes so far off base its just sad , not to mention his amounts

I don't waste my breath anymore. He worked for me a long time ago. He's just a lost cause at this point. I love it when he'll ask me to give him a spot n I have to move 75% of the weight for him. I don't know what hurts more, to hear him speak or the fact that I'm upright rowing 300lbs. when I give him a bench spot. hehe. I just started training in that gym a month ago. I've spotted you there a few times. put 2 n 2 together.:st:r-wars

 

[TeamZ]

Guys there are several in every gym!! I've been training for 28 years(holly shit I'm old) and have seen many come and go, our current "Jay wanabe" use's way more drugs than he needs to, trains arms every day because they are not big enough, and never trains legs, he's 20 years old and cant get it up without Viagra, hes been training 10 months and used for 8, I dont get it! People really are dilusional, and feel they have greater potential than they really do!
Stick around he'll be gone within a year and 2 more will take his place!

 

[cryptasm]

"Brings his own barbells to the Gym"???? WTF???
Anyway Vander, say something...I dont know what the pros take but I do know that most pros would still look like Pros without a ton of drugs..cause of genetics...if this kid is pumpin that much gear then he'll crash and burn before he gets to the Nats let alone go pro..you would know better than me but isnt that alot of shit to be taking for "anyone"...shit i know of of a couple guys who got pro cards doing 500mgs test only thats it..but GENETICS got them into those ranks not drugs... You can't make people do waht you want em to do..but you can control what you do...you gotta do the right thing so you can sleep at night...the right thing is to tell him he's gonna fuck himself up if he continues on this path.. and offer some sugjestions to help him reach his goals within the bounds of sanity...nuting wrong with wanting to be the next Jay Cutler but ya gotta live long enuff to compeete...and this kid sounds like he may not..So if he don't listen to you..then thats his problem..if you dont talk to him and try to save his health and future then you may regret it if he gets fucked up...so who gives a fuck what he may think about you or what you tell him..if you try to help him you did the right thing and thats what matters, if he don't listen thats on him not you..you can do it without killing his dream..no need to say "hey kid you just aint got it" leave that part out let him keep his dream...just try to talk some sense into him...I know from reading your posts in the past that you would feel like shit if you didn't try to help the kid and he ended up fucking his self up...I don't think you could live with that...

 

[massmonster32]

Well I am not gona be a pro but I do not agree with people when they say you are either pro material or not. I believe you can overcome genetics with heart and supps nutrition.
I would not listen if someone told me but I dont take that high of doses one could not afford it two have a family to support. But talk to him without preaching might reach him but dont smash someones dreams. Good luck Vander as you telling him with your potential to be a pro might hurt him. MM

 

[cryptasm]

Well I am not gona be a pro but I do not agree with people when they say you are either pro material or not. I believe you can overcome genetics with heart and supps nutrition.
I would not listen if someone told me but I dont take that high of doses one could not afford it two have a family to support. But talk to him without preaching might reach him but dont smash someones dreams. Good luck Vander as you telling him with your potential to be a pro might hurt him. MM

Yup , I agree..many people have overcome genetic limitations and made it in many sports with determination and desire...so no reason to kill his dream, as a matter of fact you could encourage him...and get him to use sane dosages at the same time...but it need sto be done with tact...ever har of the sandwch technique??thats where you start with a complement or positive comments (like hay bud ..man your really making some great improements..) then you get your point across (the message) then you end it with a positive and encoragement..this way you don't sound preachy and you don't squash his ego...

 

[BrooklynBB]

Delusions of Grandeur

It's definitely possible to overcome sticking points and get bigger and more muscle, but your god given shape is going to determine whether you have what it takes to be a pro.

The problem is Vander is right - most of these kids think if they take a certain amount of crap they're going to magically transform into Jay Cutler or whomever else they idolize on that stage, and it just isn't going to happen.

He also mentioned that this kid is fooling himself into thinking he looks like something he really doesn't. This kid is probably comparing himself to other gym members, who for the most part dwarf's in size. But when you have a guy with pro potential giving it to you straight, I think those words are more important than someone with little experience or smaller then you teling you, "Wow you're big... you should compete".

For all times I've heard that my response has always been the same - "You have no idea how big these guys are" to which they respond, "Yeah but you could probably win an amateur show" to which I again reply "You have NOOOO Idea how big and gifted these guys are.".

Unfortunately, I think alot of these delusion that steroids will make you to be a muscular freak of nature is purported not by pros or competitors but by the media that says if anyone looks huge, he's probably taking roids OR the only way to get any type of muscle definition (Or god forbid veins in your biceps and forearms, lol) is if you eat roids like candy.

Sucks what the media has done to this sport.

 

[Boo]

When you say 2k worth of Test, you mean 2000 mgs ( 2 grams ) per week right? And if he is indeed on this and everything else, what does he do for a living and where does he get that king of cash?

Boo. where does he

 

[IronMike]

...

One of those hard ones. Will what you say get through? At least you care, and that's a rare thing these days and even in this scene.

Perhaps some positive "steering" might be another option. He'll likely get his back up if you tell him he is just plain wrong, but maybe if you can continue on at him that it's a long term thing - low doses, slow progression, it will happen or it won't, Jay was a freak and everyone hits their prime at different times.

I dunno.

I don't think it is cool to completely smash someone's dreams, however impossible it is that they will achieve them. Sometimes the point isn't that you win the big prize, it's that you proved you could give it your all. That's the real test and prize.

That said, he needs to know that no stupid amounts of gear are going to help him do that, and giving it your all and doing your very best doesn't mean taking on a suicidal approach to bbuilding.

Let us know what you decide to do. Cutting to the chase, at his age that is just stupid and, at the end of the day, it's bbuilding - this is not a million dollar sport. Reality check - at best, you could make a comfortable living out of it for a few years and be left with not much but starting a new career at the end. He needs perspective. IronMike

 

[gooey]

anyone.....

can be a pro BBer or cutler and Dex.... but can anyone just be Mr. K? aka Mr. Kripsy Kreme? Anybody can be shredded, and striated, with a lot of time and energy, but can someone be sloppy, stretched marked, chubby mess? That takes a lot of work, it just doesnt happen!! Thank god I was given the Obesity gene and been gifted with the chubb.
gooey for a reason

 

[Vander_V]

When you say 2k worth of Test, you mean 2000 mgs ( 2 grams ) per week right? And if he is indeed on this and everything else, what does he do for a living and where does he get that king of cash?

Boo. where does he

What do you mean bottles of test can be bought for $30 , so im sure hes stocked up.

 

[Vander_V]

It's definitely possible to overcome sticking points and get bigger and more muscle, but your god given shape is going to determine whether you have what it takes to be a pro.

The problem is Vander is right - most of these kids think if they take a certain amount of crap they're going to magically transform into Jay Cutler or whomever else they idolize on that stage, and it just isn't going to happen.

He also mentioned that this kid is fooling himself into thinking he looks like something he really doesn't. This kid is probably comparing himself to other gym members, who for the most part dwarf's in size. But when you have a guy with pro potential giving it to you straight, I think those words are more important than someone with little experience or smaller then you teling you, "Wow you're big... you should compete".

For all times I've heard that my response has always been the same - "You have no idea how big these guys are" to which they respond, "Yeah but you could probably win an amateur show" to which I again reply "You have NOOOO Idea how big and gifted these guys are.".

Unfortunately, I think alot of these delusion that steroids will make you to be a muscular freak of nature is purported not by pros or competitors but by the media that says if anyone looks huge, he's probably taking roids OR the only way to get any type of muscle definition (Or god forbid veins in your biceps and forearms, lol) is if you eat roids like candy.

Sucks what the media has done to this sport.

good points i completely agree God given genetic structure is what it takes, some of you say atheletes without that great of genes have become sucessfull and maybe tahts true but NOT in BBing were talking about a sport judged upon ones appearance and shape/structure.

Now there might be a few guys who have made pro status with lousy genetics like maybe a Art Atwood ,Jeremy Freeman or a Craig Kovacs type of build , sure there Pros but what kind of pro do they amount to ? my guess would be a broke. Even Pros like Eric Bui or like a Mike Dragna just dont amount to much amongst the gifted.