Anyone deal/see something like this before? No libido no matter the test dose/est etc

[chopsuey]

So will keep updating on what I'm trying if it helps anyone.

While I wait for roidbuddy here is my plan:

I've added in:

50mg DHEA per day
50mg pregnenolone per day
5mg cialis per day

Also will add in the HCG, have an appointment at the end of the week with my GP, want to get it from the pharmacy so no variables to worry about.

For HCG will add in a big dose the first week and then titrate the dose up depending on results.

Its been about a week on the DHEA/preg like usual I got pretty bad anxiety but kept going and now feel fine on it. Feel like my estrogen is starting to climb but will see with bloodwork.

I'm also not going to use any AI's, do bloodwork in a month or so from now to see were I'm at.

If this doesn't work within a few months will go off completely and retry from scratch(few months off than TRT dose) but I've done this before without results so not sure.

 

[nothuman]

So will keep updating on what I'm trying if it helps anyone.

While I wait for roidbuddy here is my plan:

I've added in:

50mg DHEA per day
50mg pregnenolone per day
5mg cialis per day

Also will add in the HCG, have an appointment at the end of the week with my GP, want to get it from the pharmacy so no variables to worry about.

For HCG will add in a big dose the first week and then titrate the dose up depending on results.

Its been about a week on the DHEA/preg like usual I got pretty bad anxiety but kept going and now feel fine on it. Feel like my estrogen is starting to climb but will see with bloodwork.

I'm also not going to use any AI's, do bloodwork in a month or so from now to see were I'm at.

If this doesn't work within a few months will go off completely and retry from scratch(few months off than TRT dose) but I've done this before without results so not sure.

I can't say dhea and/or pregnenolone have ever done crap for my libido. I do take 25mg dhea since it puts my levels in the optimal range but I don't feel anything from it

 

[chopsuey]

I can't say dhea and/or pregnenolone have ever done crap for my libido. I do take 25mg dhea since it puts my levels in the optimal range but I don't feel anything from it

Yeah bit of a long shot and I'm not expecting too much from the DHEA, figured I'd try the DHEA since it's the only thing on my bloodwork that comes back below range every time. Also progesterone is very low on most of my bloodwork although when I had a consult with Dr. Nichols he told me not to worry about prog.

I'm hoping the HCG/DHEA combo does something, seems a lot of people do better with the HCG/have recommended it.

 

[nothuman]

Yeah bit of a long shot and I'm not expecting too much from the DHEA, figured I'd try the DHEA since it's the only thing on my bloodwork that comes back below range every time. Also progesterone is very low on most of my bloodwork although when I had a consult with Dr. Nichols he told me not to worry about prog.

I'm hoping the HCG/DHEA combo does something, seems a lot of people do better with the HCG/have recommended it.

Yea my DHEA was on the lower end of the normal range which is why I began taking it. I was using pregnenolone for a while at 25mg as well and all that did was spike my DHEA too high and didn’t increase my pregnenolone levels. Now I’m back to DHEA 25mg alone.

 

[STUMPY]

The mind is the largest sex-organ we have....if it's not in the right place then no amount of drugs to increase your libido,will help you. May be the issue,may not be. You've definitely seen a shitload of Dr's though.

Lotta good suggestions posted,I can only speak from personal experience. Although Im much older than you are(I'll be 50 in Oct) I had similar issues. My Endocrinologist helped get me straight. HCG will work wonders. Im prescribed 1000iu 3x wk but I'll end up fucking the neighbors dog if I do that so I reduce it to half that,500iu 3-4x wk. I have my bloods checked regularly (heart issues) and everything is in range except my test level and thats at 3100. My doc questioned it and I told him I had my bloods taken the morning after a hit of HCG lol.

A lot of Rx meds can fuck with your libido as well,dunno if you're taking any prescriptions but they can wreak havoc. I've had several lumbar fusions as well as a cervical spine fusion and have an Rx for Percocet. I try not to fuck with them,but if the pain gets real bad I'll take a couple just to take the edge off. Even with my test level being 3000+,I have ZERO desire for sex and can't get an erection unless I pop a Cialis after I take a 10mg Perc.

Hope this helped a lil bit brother,I feel your pain.

 

[chopsuey]

Interesting and thanks for feedback. Curious if you use an AI with that and if yes do you need to adjust it with the higher dose HCG? Thabk you

The mind is the largest sex-organ we have....if it's not in the right place then no amount of drugs to increase your libido,will help you. May be the issue,may not be. You've definitely seen a shitload of Dr's though.

Lotta good suggestions posted,I can only speak from personal experience. Although Im much older than you are(I'll be 50 in Oct) I had similar issues. My Endocrinologist helped get me straight. HCG will work wonders. Im prescribed 1000iu 3x wk but I'll end up fucking the neighbors dog if I do that so I reduce it to half that,500iu 3-4x wk. I have my bloods checked regularly (heart issues) and everything is in range except my test level and thats at 3100. My doc questioned it and I told him I had my bloods taken the morning after a hit of HCG lol.

A lot of Rx meds can fuck with your libido as well,dunno if you're taking any prescriptions but they can wreak havoc. I've had several lumbar fusions as well as a cervical spine fusion and have an Rx for Percocet. I try not to fuck with them,but if the pain gets real bad I'll take a couple just to take the edge off. Even with my test level being 3000+,I have ZERO desire for sex and can't get an erection unless I pop a Cialis after I take a 10mg Perc.

Hope this helped a lil bit brother,I feel your pain.

 

[STUMPY]

Interesting and thanks for feedback. Curious if you use an AI with that and if yes do you need to adjust it with the higher dose HCG? Thabk you

I run 10mg of Aromasin ED,if I see I'm holding some water after the hit of HCG (usually I'll notice later on in the day) I'll take another 10mg of Aromasin and that keeps it in check 100%.

 

[Strongman37]

I'd drop dhea take the aromasin asap

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[RoidBuddy]

Sounds great and much appreciated. And yes can go for any test

Dear Chopsuey,
We received a reply from our specialists and this is their suggestion:

1. First, you need to stop using testosterone.
2. Secondly, you need to make a serious PCT, as judging by your description, your endocrine system is in very poor condition.

PCT protocol

If current dosage of
Testosterone is 250mg/week Start PCT week after last injection
If Testosterone is 500mg/week. Start 2weeks after last injection


HCG 2000iu every other day for 20days
Clomid 2x50mg per day for 30 days
Tamoxifen 2x20mg per day for 40 days

If it is possible to add :

Hmg (human menapausal gonatropin) 75iu every other day for 2 first weeks

After see how it is . Until you do not restore sensitivity of the receptors , the hormonal level and do not clean from the pharmacy, there will not be any improvements.


After PCT you need to do blood test.
Estradiol, Testosterone, Prolactin
Estradiol and Prolactin must be within normal limits. If it is much higher or lower than the nominal values, this also leads to a decline in sex drive and libido. It is necessary to look at it after PCT.

We are ready to help you as a sponor with these Hilma Biocare 2 products : Clomid and Tamoxifen. As we do not sell the rest from the list.
You can contact our online store RoidBuddy.co or write a private message.

 

[Black Beard]

So this is a bit embarrassing but figured I'd post to see if anyone has seen this/dealt with this before or has any ideas.

Started competing 10+ years ago and abused steroids, the first 2-3 years no matter what I did I had a savage libido(tren/test,ai, no ai etc) then something happened and my erections/libido tanked and never recovered.

To put it bluntly I just never have that strong desire to fuck and my erections suck most of the time. I don't think anything physically wrong downstairs as sometimes out of a blue moon I'll get a crazy strong erection but it will only last a day, the desire though rarely if ever comes...

some key points across the past 8 or so years:

1) I've had countless blood work and tried every single thing when it comes to estrogen (kept it low, 20s,30s,40s, super high(200's) to test every theory and keep in mind I tried this with different doses across months for stability, every trial was a controlled and documented experiment with bloodwork.

2) Mostly been on trt doses for the past 8 or so years except some experiments here and there.

3) Puzzling but if I come off everything my test levels are below range but I get strong sexual urges(just not often) but my erections suck and i feel even more like shit.

4) prolactin has always been low (never seen it over 9 and usually around 3-4)

5) Tried caber/prami just gives me brain fog, no extra desire except to eat more?

6) Also generally dont feel that well on trt, like something is missing besides libido, lots of brain fog.

7) Have hashimotos but thyroid levels are perfect now with medication, t4 upepr mid range, t3 near the top range, TSH usually around 1 - antibodys almost undectable

8) Tried masteron, proviron etc doesn't do shit.

9) I can take a gram of test, lots of androgens etc and not feel any aggression/mental side effects, confirmed with blood work testosterone levels are sky high but mentally I don't feel shit.

10) Tried daily injections, EOD, once a week, creams on the nuts literally doesn't make a difference

11) tried several elimination diets, keto, paleo, low carb, high carb, tested for food allergys no difference on libido

I've seen countless doctors and spent a ridiculous amount of money on bloodwork to no avail... Unfortunately I live in Canada/Asia sometimes and seems most of the endo's are clueless, hard to find a specialist.

I'm guessing this a a neurotransmitter issue or something else I haven't thought of, not sure if anyone as any ideas?

How much thyroid medication are you on?

 

[chopsuey]

Great, thanks a lot for taking the time to do this, much appreciated.

Just saw my GP for HCG on last thursday and got 3 x 5000iu of HCG. Looks like I'll need to get more. I will call on monday to see my GP again to get HMG, usually takes me two weeks to see him, might be able to get the rest of the items too.

I started the HCG, going to see if it does anything on it's on while I wait for my appointment and if not will start this protocol after I see my doc and get the rest of the items(HMG, rest of HCG etc)

Thanks again

Dear Chopsuey,
We received a reply from our specialists and this is their suggestion:

1. First, you need to stop using testosterone.
2. Secondly, you need to make a serious PCT, as judging by your description, your endocrine system is in very poor condition.

PCT protocol

If current dosage of
Testosterone is 250mg/week Start PCT week after last injection
If Testosterone is 500mg/week. Start 2weeks after last injection


HCG 2000iu every other day for 20days
Clomid 2x50mg per day for 30 days
Tamoxifen 2x20mg per day for 40 days

If it is possible to add :

Hmg (human menapausal gonatropin) 75iu every other day for 2 first weeks

After see how it is . Until you do not restore sensitivity of the receptors , the hormonal level and do not clean from the pharmacy, there will not be any improvements.


After PCT you need to do blood test.
Estradiol, Testosterone, Prolactin
Estradiol and Prolactin must be within normal limits. If it is much higher or lower than the nominal values, this also leads to a decline in sex drive and libido. It is necessary to look at it after PCT.

We are ready to help you as a sponor with these Hilma Biocare 2 products : Clomid and Tamoxifen. As we do not sell the rest from the list.
You can contact our online store RoidBuddy.co or write a private message.

 

[chopsuey]

How much thyroid medication are you on?

100mcg t4
15mcg t3

 

[g-protein]

Been following this thread for a while now. Unfortunately I cannot help you, but I just wanted to let you know that you are definitely not dealing with this shit alone.

I can totally relate to your feelings. I've been suffering from the same kind of symptoms for close to ten years now. Total lack of libido as well as just not having that sense of wellbeing, almost like a mild anhedonia, lack of feelings. It feels like theres some kind of unbalance with my neurotransmitters. It all started for me when i went through anorexia as a teenager. Oddly enough I've also had consistently low dhea and thyroid levels. Bringing those back to normal did nothing to me, neither did trt, dht nor any supplements, that are supposed to raise your neurotransmitter levels, such as mucuna.

Best of luck to you brother. I hope you'll find a cure some day. I will definitely keep following this thread, keep us updated.

 

[Black Beard]

Great, thanks a lot for taking the time to do this, much appreciated.

Just saw my GP for HCG on last thursday and got 3 x 5000iu of HCG. Looks like I'll need to get more. I will call on monday to see my GP again to get HMG, usually takes me two weeks to see him, might be able to get the rest of the items too.

I started the HCG, going to see if it does anything on it's on while I wait for my appointment and if not will start this protocol after I see my doc and get the rest of the items(HMG, rest of HCG etc)

Thanks again

Do you have any labs for IGF-1? HGH has been shown to improve libido and erection strength.


It did for me. Wife was sore from the increase in erection hardness. Pretty amazing compound.

You can also do penile doppler scan to check the circulation to and from the penis to rule out vascular complications. Have you tried viagra and cialis? Were the erections hard with the meds?

 

[mr. miyagi]

I've had ups and downs but since I started low dose of Ment (.25) it's been crazy hard-ons. I'm ready upstairs and down at any moment. The only thing that worked better for me was M2, but that stuff makes me sleepy and I have weird muscle spasm for a day after a weekly inject. But right now I'm 51 and I'll tell you on Ment I feel like a fuckin 16 yr old when it comes to wanting sex.

 

[FITABOLICREP]

How will DHB effect your libido?

 

[nothuman]

Been following this thread for a while now. Unfortunately I cannot help you, but I just wanted to let you know that you are definitely not dealing with this shit alone.

I can totally relate to your feelings. I've been suffering from the same kind of symptoms for close to ten years now. Total lack of libido as well as just not having that sense of wellbeing, almost like a mild anhedonia, lack of feelings. It feels like theres some kind of unbalance with my neurotransmitters. It all started for me when i went through anorexia as a teenager. Oddly enough I've also had consistently low dhea and thyroid levels. Bringing those back to normal did nothing to me, neither did trt, dht nor any supplements, that are supposed to raise your neurotransmitter levels, such as mucuna.

Best of luck to you brother. I hope you'll find a cure some day. I will definitely keep following this thread, keep us updated.

Respect

Do you get morning wood? I do not, but I had an ultrasound with a urologist and he didn't see anything wrong.

 

[Rogue]

Have you used GH secretagogues?
CJC,MK etc...can have a profound effect on your neurotransmitter uptakes this can impact things sexually.

 

[chopsuey]

Been following this thread for a while now. Unfortunately I cannot help you, but I just wanted to let you know that you are definitely not dealing with this shit alone.

I can totally relate to your feelings. I've been suffering from the same kind of symptoms for close to ten years now. Total lack of libido as well as just not having that sense of wellbeing, almost like a mild anhedonia, lack of feelings. It feels like theres some kind of unbalance with my neurotransmitters. It all started for me when i went through anorexia as a teenager. Oddly enough I've also had consistently low dhea and thyroid levels. Bringing those back to normal did nothing to me, neither did trt, dht nor any supplements, that are supposed to raise your neurotransmitter levels, such as mucuna.

Best of luck to you brother. I hope you'll find a cure some day. I will definitely keep following this thread, keep us updated.

Thanks for sharing mate, I understand the feelings your describe. I'll Keep updating here and see if I can figure this out.

Do you have any labs for IGF-1? HGH has been shown to improve libido and erection strength.


It did for me. Wife was sore from the increase in erection hardness. Pretty amazing compound.

You can also do penile doppler scan to check the circulation to and from the penis to rule out vascular complications. Have you tried viagra and cialis? Were the erections hard with the meds?

Haven't tested IGF 1 levels in a few years, I didn't think it had an impact on libido, thanks for bringning it up, I will include IGF 1 test on my next blood work apointment.

And good call for droppler test, I was going to have it done when I go down to the states for testing.

Viagra doesn't really do anything except give me migraines, cialis definitely helps, I'm taking 5mg daily right now but still loose erection during sex and still don't have a full on erection.

Have you used GH secretagogues?
CJC,MK etc...can have a profound effect on your neurotransmitter uptakes this can impact things sexually.

I haven't used any GH secretagogues or HGH in years. When I was competing I was using HGH 5-10IU per day, I think I tried ipamorelin and cjc too for a while.

Just to confirm are you saying CJC/MK etc can impact things in a negative or positive ways sexually?

Thank you

 

[chopsuey]

UPDATE, just got through my first vial of HCG

Currently doing: (on top of test)

3000IU HCG per week(3x1000IU)
50mg DHEA
5MG cialis
Various vitamins that have always been on (vitamin d, mk7, b complex, NAC)

Had a few old school guys I talked to(and also a recommendation here) say that using clomid while ON actually helps, but lots of others saying it has bad mental sides, might be something to trial in after the hcg has kicked in for a month.

Anyways, erection strength so far has improved on this combo(probably low dose cialis) and getting fairly good morning wood at times(quickly dissipates though) although not good enough for proper sex yet, still loosing it.

I do feel a sense of well being on the days I take the HCG though and brain fog seems better, so that's a positive so far.

Going to keep things steady for the next few weeks until I reach a month on this protocol, might try adding in other things if that doesn't work or go on roidbuddys pct protocol.