Anyone deal/see something like this before? No libido no matter the test dose/est etc

[gorilla2015]

What’s your age ? Go to a urologist and get a script for tri mix or quad mix...trust me it’s the only thing that will def work....but ya gotta pin the shaft ! Do a google on it

 

[chopsuey]

What’s your age ? Go to a urologist and get a script for tri mix or quad mix...trust me it’s the only thing that will def work....but ya gotta pin the shaft ! Do a google on it

I'm 31. Thank you for the recommendation, I've researched it extensively and I do have PGE 1 vials in my fridge but never used it yet(and could probably get a script for the quad mix). Really want to fix this another way before resorting to that, and while that will help erections wont do anything for libido/desire.

But the more this goes on, the more I'm tempted to try it.

 

[gorilla2015]

I'm 31. Thank you for the recommendation, I've researched it extensively and I do have PGE 1 vials in my fridge but never used it yet(and could probably get a script for the quad mix). Really want to fix this another way before resorting to that, and while that will help erections wont do anything

It is guaranteed to work even at .3-.4 ml...try it and there try a cock ring to keep blood in the penis ....I’m 51 and I live on it !

 

[Vision]

Thanks again, just spoke to my doc, he said he will prescribe it, I have an appointment at the end of the week to get my script, then I will wait another week or so to take it(will make 4 weeks on new trt protocol so blood levels should be stable for me to add this in)

Currently running no ai and I can tell im holding a bit of water but don't feel any worse so thinking keeping it with no ai, or adding in a bit of tamox or dht compound but should problably just add in one variable at a time.

That is excellent news.. I knew it wouldn't be a problem for you to get it because it's really simple and doctors have no problem prescribing. I really hope it assists with your problem, even if it doesn't it will present other benefits as well.. definitely keep everyone posted on how you make out for educational purposes for other readers..

 

[Crazy_jay]

Major problem is ED and lack of libido/drive

Also have frequent brain fog and fatigue and just don't feel as sharp mentally as I use to, cloudy thinking etc. Not sure how to explain it but everything feels a bit off.

I'm definitely weaker on one side but I had a pretty bad accident and only screws and bolts holding that shoulder together. I don't think I have any balance issues(don't notice anything different walking down an aisle), do have vertigo sometimes.

Regarding protocols I've tried everything lol, been at this for years

10mg a day
100mg a week(split injections)
100-500mg a week, all kinds of experiments
using proviron, using mast etc
using an ai, using no ai, cycling through the different ai's, keeping me estrogen low, letting my estrogen go high doesn't seem to make a difference. And I also kept the levels stable for months at a time running experiments.

Currently I went off for 5 weeks and now for 2 weeks I've been on

200mg test e per week, split two dosage
2000IU hcg per week, split 4 doses
5MG Cialis a day
2IU hgh per day
NO AI

I can tell I'm holding water and a bit tired but don't feel all that bad, just no change in libido and erections.

Have you tried a higher dose of test with a higher dose of ai?

Me personally, I've dropped my test down to 125mg because I seem to be sensitive to estrogen. Most probably think I'm crazy but 25mg aromasin on 125mg does not crash my estrogen, bloodwork probably says I'm low, but I dont feel it. If I cut back the ai, estrogen sides start to set in fast, but on those doses, sex drive is spotty, but on say 500mg test and 25mg aromasin, sex drive threw the roof. I'm now experimenting with 250mg test and 25mg aromasin.

 

[Rogue]

So i'm sure you've read this a million times in your quest for a solution. Im no medical doctor and this is NO advice.
Male sexual arousal is a complex process that involves the brain, hormones, emotions, nerves, muscles and blood vessels. Erectile dysfunction can result from a problem with any of these. Likewise, stress and mental health concerns can cause or worsen erectile dysfunction.
Im going to focus on the rare but real possibility of this being neurolgical by nature. Like VISION said the body can overcome a neurological dysfunction by retracing pathways in the right environment.
A neurological Sexual Dysfunction can be as simple as an impingement all the way to a degeneration (possibly in the ear which profusely interacts with sex hormones). Either can disrupt neurotransmitter activity Adrenaline/nor keeping you parasympathetic (anxiety) thus preventing a sustained natural erection.
So here is a few questions I want you to answer:

• Lower back pain.
• Pain in the rear or leg that is worse when sitting.
• Hip pain.
• Sleep disturbance
• Nausea
• Weakness, numbness, or difficulty moving the leg or foot.
• Constipation.

• non-spinning vertigo (feeling as if you are swaying or rocking, even though you are sitting or standing still)
• unsteadiness (feeling as if you are about to fall)
• light-headedness

If we can determine that it neurologic
I can suggest different protocols that I'm familiar with.
The use of Buspirone and Tadalafil(neuropathic enhancement as well as sexual) as recomended by fellow member Vision I conquer with, the addition of HCG, a serm, or an Ai for cosmetic reasons I do NOT at this time.

 

[chopsuey]

So i'm sure you've read this a million times in your quest for a solution. Im no medical doctor and this is NO advice.
Male sexual arousal is a complex process that involves the brain, hormones, emotions, nerves, muscles and blood vessels. Erectile dysfunction can result from a problem with any of these. Likewise, stress and mental health concerns can cause or worsen erectile dysfunction.
Im going to focus on the rare but real possibility of this being neurolgical by nature. Like VISION said the body can overcome a neurological dysfunction by retracing pathways in the right environment.
A neurological Sexual Dysfunction can be as simple as an impingement all the way to a degeneration (possibly in the ear which profusely interacts with sex hormones). Either can disrupt neurotransmitter activity Adrenaline/nor keeping you parasympathetic (anxiety) thus preventing a sustained natural erection.
So here is a few questions I want you to answer:

• Lower back pain.
• Pain in the rear or leg that is worse when sitting.
• Hip pain.
• Sleep disturbance
• Nausea
• Weakness, numbness, or difficulty moving the leg or foot.
• Constipation.

• non-spinning vertigo (feeling as if you are swaying or rocking, even though you are sitting or standing still)
• unsteadiness (feeling as if you are about to fall)
• light-headedness

If we can determine that it neurologic
I can suggest different protocols that I'm familiar with.
The use of Buspirone and Tadalafil(neuropathic enhancement as well as sexual) as recomended by fellow member Vision I conquer with, the addition of HCG, a serm, or an Ai for cosmetic reasons I do NOT at this time.

Thanks for taking the time to do this, much appreciated. Please see below for answers:

For symptoms:

Lower back pain - often, but feels more like cramped/tight?
Leg pain - none
Sleep disturbance - don't sleep that well, might be due to anxiety
Hip pain - none
Nausea - pretty often, usually hits me for a bit and than goes away.
Weakness etc leg - Not sure what you mean by numb but I do get the sleepy leg/pin and needles sometimes, not often, running a bit of GH so that might be a co-factor for that though
Vertigo - I mentioned this in my last post but it doesn't happen often, usually only happens when I'm changing things up. I tried cabergoline a while ago and it was pretty bad for this.
unsteadiness - not an issue
Light headiness - rarely
Constipation - not an issue

Sounds good for the busporine and cialis, will be trialling that soon.

Regarding the HCG a lot of my hormones are low(dhea,prog,preg) so I figured I should "backfill the pathways", was recommended to me by trt doc but who knows. I tried DHEA/preg supplement before and it didn't do anything. I don't care for the cosmetic effect, mostly using it for above purpose.(but certainly open to dropping it if you think it will be a negative co factor)

Regarding AI/SERM I haven't touched one in months - I mentioned it in my last post as I'm holding quite a bit of water, my face looks like a chipmunk right now even on a clean diet. Now cosmetic/appearence wise I don't care, I actually feel pretty good right now (besides lack of drive/libido/erections) but figured my estro might be a bit high so not sure if that will mask the others things about to try?

Thanks again!

 

[chopsuey]

Also forgot to mention in above post I do suffer from anxiety and have a lot of physical anxiety symptoms, maybe TMI but any stimulants, even small like a cup of coffee and my noodle shrinks like crazy.

 

[fitnessmuscle]

Thanks for the reply.

Yes it was like that for me at first, the drive was insane, had a few girlfriends on the go to say the least in my early 20's.

I'm not obsessed over my sex drive but I would say its bothering me substantially. I mean I see a hot girl flirting with me, I know I like her, I know I should be attracted to her but nothing's happening, I just find it ridiculous.

While I did have my ups and downs in the past 8 years with a car accident that messed me up a few years ago everything been mostly good and I have a successful business now and should be happy, i just cant figure this out.

I've tried 100mg a week for well over 6 months before but I haven't tried the 10mg per day protocol yet so I guess I can give that a shot and see if it does anything, nothing to loose at this point lol.

Hey bro have you tried cialis or Viagra anything like that , they might not improve desire, but maybe you could still perform if your lady would want that, but ya that is pretty strange what your dealing with I was thinking stress myself but who knows , but if you haven't tried yet , you could get some cialis and see if that works

 

[chopsuey]

Hey bro have you tried cialis or Viagra anything like that , they might not improve desire, but maybe you could still perform if your lady would want that, but ya that is pretty strange what your dealing with I was thinking stress myself but who knows , but if you haven't tried yet , you could get some cialis and see if that works

yes I have, before these issues started both cialis and viagra worked super good, had erections forever but since this problem they don't really do anything. I take 5mg daily cialis for prostate/cardiovascular health.

 

[Rogue]

I would not interrupt the doctor treating you protocol.
"Back fill your pathway" etc.. Ride that wave in hopes of improvement.
Anecdotally and from what you have described to me, and I am NOT diagnosing, yours neurological by nature stemming from prolonged effects of anxiety that in turn are hormonally stemmed.(Lingering sympathetically for too long).

Treatment usually involves "retraining" your brain through a combination of vestibular rehabilitation, strategies to address anxiety, such as medications we've discussed and cognitive-behavioral therapy . You may also benefit from relaxation for your neck and shoulders.
So rubbing one out on a schedule will be part of retracing your lost signals.

Things to look for so as to speed up recovery.

- Set your TRT dosage and leave it alone don't fluctuate it, don't accentuate it keep it steady.
-No AI, NO HCG, NO SERM etc..STEADY<
-look at you D levels and supplement parental B-complex.
-Work on your mobility! starting with special attention to the performis all the way up (this is your ticket to quicker recovery).
-Thyamucasyn B-4 , TB500,
-MEFORMIN
- LIONS MANE for Neuroregenerative potential.
Along with some of the things you are already doing GH, Tadalafil, Buspirone... are part of your arsenal.
There are different steroid protocols etc.. and doctors addressing similar situations . get familiar with PPPD yours is very close in nature.
You're young , you will recover quick so long as you create the ideal environment for recovery.
I and NOT a Dr. this is NOT medical advise Check with your physician before taking meds, I am simply repeating what I heard about situations that have similar symptoms.

 

[supermofo]

I would not interrupt the doctor treating you protocol.
"Back fill your pathway" etc.. Ride that wave in hopes of improvement.
Anecdotally and from what you have described to me, and I am NOT diagnosing, yours neurological by nature stemming from prolonged effects of anxiety that in turn are hormonally stemmed.(Lingering sympathetically for too long).

Treatment usually involves "retraining" your brain through a combination of vestibular rehabilitation, strategies to address anxiety, such as medications we've discussed and cognitive-behavioral therapy . You may also benefit from relaxation for your neck and shoulders.
So rubbing one out on a schedule will be part of retracing your lost signals.

Things to look for so as to speed up recovery.

- Set your TRT dosage and leave it alone don't fluctuate it, don't accentuate it keep it steady.
-No AI, NO HCG, NO SERM etc..STEADY<
-look at you D levels and supplement parental B-complex.
-Work on your mobility! starting with special attention to the performis all the way up (this is your ticket to quicker recovery).
-Thyamucasyn B-4 , TB500,
-MEFORMIN
- LIONS MANE for Neuroregenerative potential.
Along with some of the things you are already doing GH, Tadalafil, Buspirone... are part of your arsenal.
There are different steroid protocols etc.. and doctors addressing similar situations . get familiar with PPPD yours is very close in nature.
You're young , you will recover quick so long as you create the ideal environment for recovery.
I and NOT a Dr. this is NOT medical advise Check with your physician before taking meds, I am simply repeating what I heard about situations that have similar symptoms.

Rogue, I recently took your suggestion of dropping AI from my protocol to let estro climb to help with erection issues that have recently been a problem for me. I did take 750iu HCG twice,3 days apart, to help elevate estrogen a bit quicker... What I've noticed so far is an increase in penis sensitivity, erections are definitely improving in quality/firmness, and orgasms are getting more intense. THANK YOU!!! I'm still not 100% but definitely a big improvement and on the right path. I have had 3 different L5/S1 operations and some of the symptoms suggesting possible nerve damage as I think you described in a post before this one. So that may be a contributing factor for me as well. I am very thankful for you sharing you suggestions/knowledge with me. I'm open to and would love a full protocol that you might suggest for me with these goals and my stats in mind. I'm 46, 5'10", 250 lbs. my abs are visible but unaware of bodyfat %. I used to compete in powerlifting. My physique is thick, more of a rugged look, not nearly as refined as you pros by any means, pretty vascular, and muscles are very hard to the touch. I would like to keep my muscle mass up, maybe get a bit leaner, keep my massive, rugged, hard look, as this is what the wife has grown to love (so she says anyway.. lol). I want to improve my libido and sexual function (very important to me!) because I take lots of pride in performing my husbandly service very well and often and because it feels really good... lol

I'm seeing my doc next Friday and was going to get a script for buspar to help with sexual function and because I do have a little depression and mild anxiety since all the shit back surgeries anyway. Please let me know if you don't mind sir. I would be forever grateful.

 

[madg]

Agree! Great posts from Rogue !

Thank you brother , massive respect from me

 

[chopsuey]

I would not interrupt the doctor treating you protocol.
"Back fill your pathway" etc.. Ride that wave in hopes of improvement.
Anecdotally and from what you have described to me, and I am NOT diagnosing, yours neurological by nature stemming from prolonged effects of anxiety that in turn are hormonally stemmed.(Lingering sympathetically for too long).

Treatment usually involves "retraining" your brain through a combination of vestibular rehabilitation, strategies to address anxiety, such as medications we've discussed and cognitive-behavioral therapy . You may also benefit from relaxation for your neck and shoulders.
So rubbing one out on a schedule will be part of retracing your lost signals.

Things to look for so as to speed up recovery.

- Set your TRT dosage and leave it alone don't fluctuate it, don't accentuate it keep it steady.
-No AI, NO HCG, NO SERM etc..STEADY<
-look at you D levels and supplement parental B-complex.
-Work on your mobility! starting with special attention to the performis all the way up (this is your ticket to quicker recovery).
-Thyamucasyn B-4 , TB500,
-MEFORMIN
- LIONS MANE for Neuroregenerative potential.
Along with some of the things you are already doing GH, Tadalafil, Buspirone... are part of your arsenal.
There are different steroid protocols etc.. and doctors addressing similar situations . get familiar with PPPD yours is very close in nature.
You're young , you will recover quick so long as you create the ideal environment for recovery.
I and NOT a Dr. this is NOT medical advise Check with your physician before taking meds, I am simply repeating what I heard about situations that have similar symptoms.

Great thank you.

Regarding disrupting what my trt doc says, isn't much to disrupt. My local doctors are clueless but they prescribe be anything I want. I've been piecing together protocols from phone consults or flying down to visit most of the "top" trt docs.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to type all this out. I already have most of those things on hand(vitamin d, lions mane, b vitamin etc) so can incorporate those right away.

I will research the other things PPPD etc, looks interesting.

Currently on the same protocol I typed out above, will keep things stable like you mentioned and in about a weeks time I will add in the busporine.

I'll keep updating this thread to see how it goes.

 

[Rogue]

Rogue, I recently took your suggestion of dropping AI from my protocol to let estro climb to help with erection issues that have recently been a problem for me. I did take 750iu HCG twice,3 days apart, to help elevate estrogen a bit quicker... What I've noticed so far is an increase in penis sensitivity, erections are definitely improving in quality/firmness, and orgasms are getting more intense. THANK YOU!!! I'm still not 100% but definitely a big improvement and on the right path. I have had 3 different L5/S1 operations and some of the symptoms suggesting possible nerve damage as I think you described in a post before this one. So that may be a contributing factor for me as well. I am very thankful for you sharing you suggestions/knowledge with me. I'm open to and would love a full protocol that you might suggest for me with these goals and my stats in mind. I'm 46, 5'10", 250 lbs. my abs are visible but unaware of bodyfat %. I used to compete in powerlifting. My physique is thick, more of a rugged look, not nearly as refined as you pros by any means, pretty vascular, and muscles are very hard to the touch. I would like to keep my muscle mass up, maybe get a bit leaner, keep my massive, rugged, hard look, as this is what the wife has grown to love (so she says anyway.. lol). I want to improve my libido and sexual function (very important to me!) because I take lots of pride in performing my husbandly service very well and often and because it feels really good... lol

I'm seeing my doc next Friday and was going to get a script for buspar to help with sexual function and because I do have a little depression and mild anxiety since all the shit back surgeries anyway. Please let me know if you don't mind sir. I would be forever grateful.

Do you feel that its the anxiety thats preventing you getting fully erect, or affecting you shortly after you engage in sexual intercourse?
Busprisone is intended for 'generalized anxiety disorder' but has shown to work very positively with testosterone in treating of hypoactive sexual desire disorder. It is used off label to reverse the negative sexual side effects of exogenious androgens in some cases by modifying changed levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin that cause the sexual dysfunction.
A more aggressive approach is the use of Bupropion (Wellbutrin).
Anxiety can have many detrimental effect and should be addressed In order to stay healthy. Prolonged exposure will affect our lifestyles preventing REM sleep all the way to insulin resistance. Nerve related issues are directly result of anxiety. Get that addressed, we do what we do for muscle gain... staying healthy keeps it pleasant .

 

[supermofo]

Do you feel that its the anxiety thats preventing you getting fully erect, or affecting you shortly after you engage in sexual intercourse?
Busprisone is intended for 'generalized anxiety disorder' but has shown to work very positively with testosterone in treating of hypoactive sexual desire disorder. It is used off label to reverse the negative sexual side effects of exogenious androgens in some cases by modifying changed levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin that cause the sexual dysfunction.
A more aggressive approach is the use of Bupropion (Wellbutrin).
Anxiety can have many detrimental effect and should be addressed In order to stay healthy. Prolonged exposure will affect our lifestyles preventing REM sleep all the way to insulin resistance. Nerve related issues are directly result of anxiety. Get that addressed, we do what we do for muscle gain... staying healthy keeps it pleasant .

Before medications and crashing estro, I was normally ok but since the issue, I do have a bit of performance anxiety which definitely seems to make it worse. My doc put me on Trintellix 5mg after my last back surgery almost 2 years ago. Along the way I noticed a decrease in sexual desire, erection quality, less penis sensitivity, and the inability to orgasm at times and it not as intense when I did. I discontinued the Trintellix last Friday on the 14th. The withdrawals have been no fun but I'll survive. I've tried Wellbutrin in the past but it was a little too much of a stimulant feeling for me. I see my doc this coming Friday and I can ask for both the Wellbutrin and the Buspar but think I would rather start with Buspar and later add the Wellbutrin if needed... What do you think? Since I've dropped arimidex, would it affect me negatively to use low dose tamoxifen @ 5mg or raloxifene @ 15mg, for say a couple of weeks at a time when I get puffy nips? Thank you again very much Rogue! It means a lot that you would take the time to help.

 

[kilsong]

Tri-Mix injection in the penis.
Fail proof

 

[buck]

Libido comes from the brain and is influenced by many/most of the things we do and how we live. So it can be a very long slow process to figure out.

 

[supermofo]

Do you feel that its the anxiety thats preventing you getting fully erect, or affecting you shortly after you engage in sexual intercourse?
Busprisone is intended for 'generalized anxiety disorder' but has shown to work very positively with testosterone in treating of hypoactive sexual desire disorder. It is used off label to reverse the negative sexual side effects of exogenious androgens in some cases by modifying changed levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin that cause the sexual dysfunction.
A more aggressive approach is the use of Bupropion (Wellbutrin).
Anxiety can have many detrimental effect and should be addressed In order to stay healthy. Prolonged exposure will affect our lifestyles preventing REM sleep all the way to insulin resistance. Nerve related issues are directly result of anxiety. Get that addressed, we do what we do for muscle gain... staying healthy keeps it pleasant .

I'll start with buspirone and go from there then.

A question for ya. Since I've dropped arimidex completely now, would it have any negative effect on me to use low dose tamoxifen @ 5mg/day or eod or raloxifene @ 15mg/day or eod, for say a couple of weeks at a time when I get puffy nips? Or what do you think is the best way to manage gyno without the sexual side effects?

 

[supermofo]

Tri-Mix injection in the penis.
Fail proof

For me bro, that would be a last resort only because I personally prefer to get as close as I can get to treating the root cause before adding a med that's a last resort all out treatment the symptom. I'm not above it if all else fails but would rather try the other options closer to the root cause. Things are improving though by following Rogues suggestions and would like to continue to go that route at this time. Thanks for sharing all the same, will definitely keep it in mind if all else fails.