Anyone deal/see something like this before? No libido no matter the test dose/est etc

[chopsuey]

Sorry been MIA lately, I'm a business owner and its been insane dealing with corona, been putting in 16+ hour days pretty much daily since this started to keep my staff going and employed.

Of course lack of sleep and working like this doesn't help my situation but don't really have an option right now.

I have the buspirone prescription on hand but didn't try it yet, didn't think it would be a good idea with everything going on.

Things are settling down now so time to care care of my health.

I mentioned before this corona crap started that I was suppose to fly out and see dr. nichols, ill be doing that as soon as I can fly down but..

I've had several more blood tests done and more phone consults and pretty much every doctor thinks I'm suffering from "adrenal fatigue/ HPTA dysfunction" w/e you want to call it.

The only thing thats been consistent on my bloodwork in the past years is DHEA below refference range, pregnenolone undetectable and low cortisol.

While I don't want to speak for him my understanding from the dr. nichols approach would be high dose pregnenolone and dhea(100mg preg, 50dhea) getting free t3 up to 5 and test cream on the nuts + obviously more thorough testing thats available in Canada.

My local doctor thinks I should get off trt and try and retstart everything and see if my hormones balance...

Anyways as I said things are slowing down at work and I can take care of things now so hopefully have an update soon.

 

[Sides]

Sorry been MIA lately, I'm a business owner and its been insane dealing with corona, been putting in 16+ hour days pretty much daily since this started to keep my staff going and employed.

Of course lack of sleep and working like this doesn't help my situation but don't really have an option right now.

I have the buspirone prescription on hand but didn't try it yet, didn't think it would be a good idea with everything going on.

Things are settling down now so time to care care of my health.

I mentioned before this corona crap started that I was suppose to fly out and see dr. nichols, ill be doing that as soon as I can fly down but..

I've had several more blood tests done and more phone consults and pretty much every doctor thinks I'm suffering from "adrenal fatigue/ HPTA dysfunction" w/e you want to call it.

The only thing thats been consistent on my bloodwork in the past years is DHEA below refference range, pregnenolone undetectable and low cortisol.

While I don't want to speak for him my understanding from the dr. nichols approach would be high dose pregnenolone and dhea(100mg preg, 50dhea) getting free t3 up to 5 and test cream on the nuts + obviously more thorough testing thats available in Canada.

My local doctor thinks I should get off trt and try and retstart everything and see if my hormones balance...

Anyways as I said things are slowing down at work and I can take care of things now so hopefully have an update soon.

I hope the buspirone works for you. It definitely didn't work for me. All I can say it did for me was make me feel like I had to take a shit, and this morning I had an upset stomach when I woke up, and bad diarrhea. So no more buspirone for me.

I agree with you about the adrenal fatigue/insufficiency. Of course, the fact that you are putting in 16-hour days has a huge effect on your stress levels as well, only making things worse.

The same is probably true for me. I am overtrained, get little sleep with a 9-month-old baby and bad sleep apnea, and stressed out for a great many reasons. So stress and it's effects on cortisol and other hormones and neurotransmitters is probably at the heart of the libido problems that are effecting both of us. Best thing we could probably do is just take some time off and rest a while, instead of stressing even more over our hormone levels.

I hope for the best for you, and if you find anything that works for you, please let us all know.

 

[aphextwin]

What meds and herbs have you been taking? You use Kratom?

 

[Mesomorf]

So this is a bit embarrassing but figured I'd post to see if anyone has seen this/dealt with this before or has any ideas.

Started competing 10+ years ago and abused steroids, the first 2-3 years no matter what I did I had a savage libido(tren/test,ai, no ai etc) then something happened and my erections/libido tanked and never recovered.

To put it bluntly I just never have that strong desire to fuck and my erections suck most of the time. I don't think anything physically wrong downstairs as sometimes out of a blue moon I'll get a crazy strong erection but it will only last a day, the desire though rarely if ever comes...

some key points across the past 8 or so years:

1) I've had countless blood work and tried every single thing when it comes to estrogen (kept it low, 20s,30s,40s, super high(200's) to test every theory and keep in mind I tried this with different doses across months for stability, every trial was a controlled and documented experiment with bloodwork.

2) Mostly been on trt doses for the past 8 or so years except some experiments here and there.

3) Puzzling but if I come off everything my test levels are below range but I get strong sexual urges(just not often) but my erections suck and i feel even more like shit.

4) prolactin has always been low (never seen it over 9 and usually around 3-4)

5) Tried caber/prami just gives me brain fog, no extra desire except to eat more?

6) Also generally dont feel that well on trt, like something is missing besides libido, lots of brain fog.

7) Have hashimotos but thyroid levels are perfect now with medication, t4 upepr mid range, t3 near the top range, TSH usually around 1 - antibodys almost undectable

8) Tried masteron, proviron etc doesn't do shit.

9) I can take a gram of test, lots of androgens etc and not feel any aggression/mental side effects, confirmed with blood work testosterone levels are sky high but mentally I don't feel shit.

10) Tried daily injections, EOD, once a week, creams on the nuts literally doesn't make a difference

11) tried several elimination diets, keto, paleo, low carb, high carb, tested for food allergys no difference on libido

I've seen countless doctors and spent a ridiculous amount of money on bloodwork to no avail... Unfortunately I live in Canada/Asia sometimes and seems most of the endo's are clueless, hard to find a specialist.

I'm guessing this a a neurotransmitter issue or something else I haven't thought of, not sure if anyone as any ideas?

Try smoking some herb. A doctor told me that most people are just very stressed and/or depressed and those are the most common issues.

 

[Sides]

What meds and herbs have you been taking? You use Kratom?

I can't speak for the original poster, as he has his current TRT protocol listed elsewhere in the thread, assuming he hasn't changed anything.

As I have similar symptoms, I will say I've never used Kratom. But I do use stimulants (caffeine, ephedrine, yohimbine) to get up in the morning, and Valium to go to bed at night, neither of which is probably helping the problem. And testosterone and Proviron, of course.

And bad sleep apnea, which leads me to get little restful sleep. And taking care of my 9 month old baby, which adds to my stress levels and sleep deprivation, as much as I love her.

So it is all multi-factorial in nature, and it's hard to know where to start tackling the problem. I think the Valium is probably the worst offender, but I should make an effort to get off everything but a maintenance level of test.

 

[lookatpicture]

I can't speak for the original poster, as he has his current TRT protocol listed elsewhere in the thread, assuming he hasn't changed anything.

As I have similar symptoms, I will say I've never used Kratom. But I do use stimulants (caffeine, ephedrine, yohimbine) to get up in the morning, and Valium to go to bed at night, neither of which is probably helping the problem. And testosterone and Proviron, of course.

And bad sleep apnea, which leads me to get little restful sleep. And taking care of my 9 month old baby, which adds to my stress levels and sleep deprivation, as much as I love her.

So it is all multi-factorial in nature, and it's hard to know where to start tackling the problem. I think the Valium is probably the worst offender, but I should make an effort to get off everything but a maintenance level of test.

Why don't you switch from valium to Klonopin? Valium's half life is soooo long. It can be detected in your system (not that it matters) for a month or longer. It caused me to nod off for 2 seconds while I was driving. I hit a mail box. Thank God nothing else.

 

[Sides]

Why don't you switch from valium to Klonopin? Valium's half life is soooo long. It can be detected in your system (not that it matters) for a month or longer. It caused me to nod off for 2 seconds while I was driving. I hit a mail box. Thank God nothing else.

Well, that's the thing. If you are trying to taper off of using benzo's, then the Ashton Manual and most other sources recommend being on Valium, just because the half-life is so long, and it will slowly leave your system without too many bad effects as you slowly taper down the dose.

I am trying to stop using benzodiazepines, and so far I have tapered down my dose from 10mg to 5mg per night. My anxiety is way up, and I haven't gotten much sleep the last few nights. But I am trying to make an effort to get off of benzo's completely.

The major reason I want to quit benzo's like Valium is that they definitely make my sleep apnea much worse. I snore badly and stop breathing many times during the night. So I would like to quit the Valium so that I can sleep better at night. I don't know whether the Klonopins would be better or worse than Valium in that regard.

I have never nodded off behind the wheel, but that's the problem...I can't fall asleep at all unless I take the Valium just before bedtime. The later it gets at night, the more alert and anxious I become, until I take the Valium. I've been taking it for more than 4 years, and I am really dependent on it for sleep now. I tried taking Trazodone for sleep, but even that just makes me drowsy and feel bad; it still takes the Valium to put put my lights out at night.

But I will check into the Klonopin, thanks.

 

[chopsuey]

As I mentioned in my last post work was insane the past year due to covid but I've solidified my business and can take some time for myself now.

Just took my last shot of test last week, going off completely for next 6 months and going to dedicate that time to fix myself...

Pretty clear from current bloodwork that i have severe adrenal problems that won't heal..my guess and doctors is thats whats messing me up.

The plan:

1. go off all hormones - will just stay on a few units of hgh to help heal

2. I'm going for full set of bloods on monday for baseline, and already have appointments for the 2, 4 and 6 month follow up to see what happens.

3. Stocked up my freezer with a local farmers high quality grass fed beef (Including lots of organs, bone marrow etc) will follow a maintenance or slightly surplus diet, low inflammatory diet, low carb, nutrient dense diet.

4) Going to use red light therapy on thyroid and testicles to see if that helps with recovery...lots of promising data on this.

5) I've setup appointments for sleep study and will do a few other things to rule out anything else.

6) Pretty much mentally prepared I might be useless for next while, put things in place so I can give this a full go and take care of myself.

7) Will cut out coffee completely, no stimulants, no booze etc...

If after 6 months still feel not working then at least I will of done a full re-set and hopefully by then covid restrictions are less and I can fly to the states to see a qualified doc.

Embarrassing topic but seems lots of people are in the same boat, talking to people here and other sites/groups so hopefully I can figure it out and might help others.

Definately set on fixing it, can't keep going like this. Torture being around plenty of young woman chasing you but can't do anything about it.

 

[Sides]

As I mentioned in my last post work was insane the past year due to covid but I've solidified my business and can take some time for myself now.

Just took my last shot of test last week, going off completely for next 6 months and going to dedicate that time to fix myself...

Pretty clear from current bloodwork that i have severe adrenal problems that won't heal..my guess and doctors is thats whats messing me up.

The plan:

1. go off all hormones - will just stay on a few units of hgh to help heal

2. I'm going for full set of bloods on monday for baseline, and already have appointments for the 2, 4 and 6 month follow up to see what happens.

3. Stocked up my freezer with a local farmers high quality grass fed beef (Including lots of organs, bone marrow etc) will follow a maintenance or slightly surplus diet, low inflammatory diet, low carb, nutrient dense diet.

4) Going to use red light therapy on thyroid and testicles to see if that helps with recovery...lots of promising data on this.

5) I've setup appointments for sleep study and will do a few other things to rule out anything else.

6) Pretty much mentally prepared I might be useless for next while, put things in place so I can give this a full go and take care of myself.

7) Will cut out coffee completely, no stimulants, no booze etc...

If after 6 months still feel not working then at least I will of done a full re-set and hopefully by then covid restrictions are less and I can fly to the states to see a qualified doc.

Embarrassing topic but seems lots of people are in the same boat, talking to people here and other sites/groups so hopefully I can figure it out and might help others.

Definately set on fixing it, can't keep going like this. Torture being around plenty of young woman chasing you but can't do anything about it.

I hope that you find what you are looking for to help you, as I've certainly had problems with libido as well.

I would recommend bupropion to you (Wellbutrin), as it definitely helps my libido. But as a norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitor (NDRI), it definitely acts as a stimulant as well, so it might not be the best thing for your particular problems. It does help me with libido, but I find that it doesn't particularly help me in getting an erection, perhaps due to the stimulant effect from blocking the reuptake of norepinephrine.

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[Guillotines]

The answer is anti estrogen. If that doesn’t work that is some sort of blood supply issue which is more structural.

it’s really that simple. Don’t tell me it isn’t I won’t be looking at replies.

 

[Guillotines]

You probably need way more than ur average person. People act like an AI will destroy libido...I take .5mg MWF for 500mg. Zero libido if I stop taking it and can’t get a decent erection.

 

[Sides]

You probably need way more than ur average person. People act like an AI will destroy libido...I take .5mg MWF for 500mg. Zero libido if I stop taking it and can’t get a decent erection.

Everyone is an individual and responds differently to different compounds. OP said in his first post that he has tried different doses of AI, and they never helped his libido.

Personally, I have always responded badly to AI as well. Even at microdoses, Arimidex, Letrozole, Aromasin all make me feel worse and libido goes down for a few days after taking them. Estrogen is essential for libido, crash your E2 and you will have no libido, and it will be much harder to get an erection.

I know they definitely work well for many people, but some of us just can't tolerate AI.

 

[LATS]

I have a buddy who fought this for years.. poor quality erections.. not much sensitivity.. had to take viagra or cialis and it only worked 50 percent of the time.. orgasm quality and intensity were hit and miss.. he got repeated blood work looking at e2 levels etc.. tried AI .. i was at a loss trying to help him..
He eventually went to a specialist and he ran prolactin test.. his was elevated.. not aweful apparently but enough for the dr to put him on caber low dose.. within weeks he was good to go.. great erections .. great orgasms.. he doesnt touch AI anymore.. many of us have endured poor quality erections etc while on cycle.. you can tell because the sale of viagra and cialis is throw the roof for many of our sponsors.. but maybe the issue is prolactin for many.. we see many members here test their e2 on a consistent basis but still suffer.. test your prolactin.. i know I'm gonna start..

 

[madg]

I have a buddy who fought this for years.. poor quality erections.. not much sensitivity.. had to take viagra or cialis and it only worked 50 percent of the time.. orgasm quality and intensity were hit and miss.. he got repeated blood work looking at e2 levels etc.. tried AI .. i was at a loss trying to help him..
He eventually went to a specialist and he ran prolactin test.. his was elevated.. not aweful apparently but enough for the dr to put him on caber low dose.. within weeks he was good to go.. great erections .. great orgasms.. he doesnt touch AI anymore.. many of us have endured poor quality erections etc while on cycle.. you can tell because the sale of viagra and cialis is throw the roof for many of our sponsors.. but maybe the issue is prolactin for many.. we see many members here test their e2 on a consistent basis but still suffer.. test your prolactin.. i know I'm gonna start..

Amen!

Through experience most times these is prolactin issue

Even if you use only test remeber that it can raise prolactin

Test prolactin always together with E2 imo

 

[chopsuey]

Definitely something to keep an eye on regarding prolactin. Mine has always been naturally low but will include it in my bloodwork for sure.

Low test sides are starting to kick in so far, anxiety pretty high but that happens every time my hormones fluctuate, hopefully will level off in next few weeks. Having a hard time falling asleep too.

Thinking of adding in 1x shot of Triptorelin to reboot the boys. Thankfully there's a Canadian peptide company here that actually makes their own peptides and its top notch so probably worth a shot.

Looked up threads here on PM regarding triptorelin but very little info, not sure if anyone here has used in the past with success?

 

[Rogue]

Prolactin will defenately ruin the experience, should check it regularly. But why is it high?

Dopamine (DA) holds a predominant role in the regulation of prolactin (PRL) secretion. If your Dopamine is within range your prlactin is within range...Mechanism of action for ALL l anti- prolactin meds,
Heres another, Dopamine is tied to acetocholine levels. Acetocholine and niitric oxide have to be present for an erection to occur. The absence of either will also ruin the experience...

 

[Cito33189]

I started to use trimix. I posted a while back. Solved any erection issue.
As for desire don’t watch porn don’t let yourself have an orgasm for a while. See how long you can go.

I started to take Zoloft and pre Zoloft is have sex 3-4 times everyday. Zoloft killed any desire and it always made me not be able to have an orgasm.

I stopped having sex stopped watching any porn and within a week I was horny.
Like I said don’t let yourself have an orgasm.

 

[USMuscle9403]

Hey bro, apologies if you've already said so, but have you given the daily pin protocol a try yet? I was doing fine injecting test cyp twice a week, but that was it...fine. My sex drive had noticeably decreased. Went back to daily pins and within a few days I was horny as a fuckin goat again.

 

[chopsuey]

Hey bro, apologies if you've already said so, but have you given the daily pin protocol a try yet? I was doing fine injecting test cyp twice a week, but that was it...fine. My sex drive had noticeably decreased. Went back to daily pins and within a few days I was horny as a fuckin goat again.

Yes I tried the 10mg a day protocol even with humanofort but didn't feel any different.

 

[chopsuey]

Well not going to sugar coat it, feel like death. While testosterone wasn't doing anything for libido definitely was helping in other departments.

Incredibly sore, brain fog, anxiety and low confidence but I guess thats to be expected after being on for so long.

I decided to go ahead with 1x shot of triptorelin 100mcg....should be here this week.

Either way I think its important to do a reset so going ahead with this...see how it goes. Took all the testosterone bottles out of my house not to be tempted to cave.