Are there any damaging effects of test??

kscowboy · Jul 11, 2012

I was wondering if there are any damaging effects of test on any of our organs? I'm not talking about mega dosing but rather keeping the dosages in the 500-750 range. Also how about the solvents tht are used (ba, bb etc).. I am wanting to get back on ( been off two months)but now that I'm 40 my health is 100% my #1 concern. Thanks for any input KS

Also how about Mast??

TNH · Jul 11, 2012

I don't think there is a health care professional in the world that would say steroids (including test) are not damaging to the body other than true HRT.
They have found that HRT improves health compared to low test as we age.
We already know steroids stress the heart and weaken arteries, and I would say they do strain the liver and kidneys to a degree since those organs are responsible for filtering whatever we put in our bodies. They are working harder the more steroids you use and longer you use them.

The solvents are also damaging to the kidneys, so again, the more you use, and the longer you use, the more damage you cause.

Genetics will really come in to play as far as how much damage one can handle before health problems manifest.

raw33man · Jul 11, 2012

I recently met a huge monster whose been on 1gram of test for 23 years or so, and now he is 52 running like a champ

I would rather die at 55 60 with a sexy ass physique than look like the average joe and die at 70... that's just not me lol

kscowboy · Jul 11, 2012

This used to be my attitude but the older I get the more longevity and health out weights people looking at me because of my body.

raw33man · Jul 11, 2012

because you got mature and I'm not ! I'm 23, I like the attention, I'm insecure too lol

I know when I hit 30s, I would look at life differently, I hope !

auto2385 · Jul 11, 2012

Do you have kids? I use to feel like that but now that I have a child my state of mind has changed.

TNH · Jul 11, 2012

Unless you become a drug addict, manic depressive, or have the life of a country song, I can 100% promise you that you will not be ok with dying at age 55 once you are actually there.
It sounds like light years away, but if you take care of yourself and you reach 55 years of age, you are not going to be ready to die in any way, shape, or form.
The only time I hear of people really ready to kick the bucket are people suffering from serious health complications that will not get better.
If you are healthy at 55; you'll still be interested in women, still have hobbies, still be passionate about things, etc.

hemipower · Jul 11, 2012

I doubt this guy is without health issues I bet his bloodwork comes back looking like a wreck IF he even does it...

And in my early 20s I felt the same about 60 yrs old...and as other posters, now I am more concerned about functional strength, health, longevity, etc. Things change.

matt1164 · Jul 11, 2012

trust me when you get into your forties and have kids and a family you will not want to die at 55.

matt1164 · Jul 11, 2012

I think there can be possible damaging effect on lipids or prostrate.

i think someone just posted a study that one shot of test increased ldl by 15 or 20% or something like that.

I'd run a true hrt from an endo and then buy some hg gear and up the dose when you feel like it for a few months at a time.

I guess you could monitor yourself by getting bloodwork regularly.

iintensity · Jul 11, 2012

There will be consequences to abusing any drug.

Stewie · Jul 11, 2012

http://eprints.kingston.ac.uk/2909/1/Grace-FM_2909.pdf

dgarr21 · Jul 11, 2012

I have a friend who was on and off for 4 years, mostly on with like 3 months a year off. But he developed an awareness of his health and was only 23 at the time. So he decided to stop everything cold turkey and actually kept some decent size ( guess years on will make some gains permanent if u workout and eat decent).

But luckily he caught himself before he was in his 30's 10+ years on and off most ly on and wondering why he had heart problems at 32. It is not a IF it is a WHEN you will experience negative side effects of these big doses. I know I am wasting my typing here but first hand experiences are the best lessons learned I guess.......Big biceps are not worth your life.

saps · Jul 11, 2012

maldorf is the expert here I hope he comes in. I blast and cruise myself and haven't been completely off in over 4 years now. However those low dose cruises are vital for long term health IMO. When I did an 18 month stretch where I was never below 500mg/wk I was wrecked in terms of lipids, hemta/hemo etc.
Enlarged left ventricle is one of the most noted concerns

kscowboy · Jul 12, 2012

Thanks for the link Stewie but i am too stupid to understand any of that and only made it though the first page. LOL:banghead:

ErnieTaylor · Jul 12, 2012

You must be young. 70 is not that old anymore...My grandfather is 92 years and still lives independently.

Kaladryn · Jul 12, 2012

You will change your mind about this someday, keep that in mind.

You can be going strong, doing the things you love at 70, or you can be dead/nearly dead, your choice...

sammy555 · Jul 12, 2012

Some people have the genetics to abuse and just keep going. Some people smoke 30 a day and live until 90. Doesn't mean we all can.

I know what your saying though, the thought of being really old terrifies me so might as well enjoy it now. I worked with a guy who lived healthy, grew his own veg didn't smoke. Retired at 65 2 months later died of cancer

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alpha6164 · Jul 12, 2012

Yes statements such as this guy smoked till he was 80 and fine are excuses we make to ourselves for continuing to do things that will harm us. There are people that survive a sky diving accident after their chute didnt open but it doesnt make it a pretty good idea

To OP:

I am not sure what you mean by "Not mega doses just 500-750mg weekly range." You realize that is considered mega right? When TRT dosages put test levels to 700-1000 750mg of real test will have your levels at 4000+. so if having your levels 4x the highest natural level is not mega then i am not sure what mega is.

Even at TRT dosages we have to watch lipid profile, prostate hypertrophy, etc. When you are doing more than that the problems just multiply. When you are in your 20s and 30s it is easy to say "i will do this and i dont care what happens when i turn 50 or 60." But i can tell you that before i started my private practices i did a lot of ICU and never ever met a single person in their 50s-70s that was just ready to die and didnt give a shit about their longevity if they could do anything about it. I am all about looking good and staying lean but using mega doses of anabolics year round is not how it should be done.

With proper diet, cardio, weight lifting, anti-aging tricks such as peptides and IMHO a once a year short cycle ~ weeks you can minimize long term risks and still look good. Yes, you will not be 240lbs and 5% BF but you will appreciate it in the long run.

sammy555 · Jul 12, 2012

Quite agree which is why i said it doesn't mean we all can. Gotta weigh up the risks and make an educated choice. I would rather live 10 years as a great dane than 20 as chewowa or what ever them tiny ass hole dogs are called. Im sure that perspective changes sone the nearer it gets to your time

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