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Are today’s expensive “Pre Work drinks” better than the old E\C\A stack?

I've taken powdered pre's since my earliest days. Some are awesome, some suck bad. Have to try and find what works for you. I will say, even though it's ungodly expensive for a pre, the latest Assassin versions make me go ape.
 
I tried so many of them for nearly 25 years but nothing comes close to
1 first version of mesoMoph from aps for energy
2 quake scivation for focus - this shit was so crazy that i felt every single fibre in my muscles but also fibres of a guy who was benching three days ago…. Dont know what they had in it….
 
Ephedrine feels dirty.
Real adderall, not shitty street press, feels clean and doesn't really increase my heart rate. Only alertness and focus.
People start off with WAY TOO MUCH
5mg(or even less) of IR will have you feeling good and focused.
Guys talking about 30-50mgs as a starting dose are frying their tolerance before even starting.
How does ephedrine compare to Adderall for energy and also speeding up metabolism?
 
I've been researching ice water baths first thing in the morning to get me going.
Supps and stims always have a limited effectiveness lifespan.
So looking into environmental stimulus to get things going 'naturally'
 
I've been researching ice water baths first thing in the morning to get me going.
Supps and stims always have a limited effectiveness lifespan.
So looking into environmental stimulus to get things going 'naturally'
I like the hot cold showers. Or sauna followed by a cold shower.
 
I've been researching ice water baths first thing in the morning to get me going.
Supps and stims always have a limited effectiveness lifespan.
So looking into environmental stimulus to get things going 'naturally'

Joe Rogan is big on those and swear that they work. I am in Florida but I try to start off my day with a cold water shower. For some reason at almost 40 even caffeine gives me too much anxiety and jitters so I avoid all stimulants. Funny how I used to pound monster energy drinks back to back in my 20s but can’t do it anymore.
 
My go to pre-workout has always been coffee. Back in the day i would add ephedrine to that. As long as i didn't go over board on either the workouts were good. To much could mess with the CNS. Can't say i have noticed much form of the other pre workouts. But i have only tried a few.
 

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