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Babys first slin run

Ugh, came off DNP since my strength was coming down, ive binge eat everyday since coming off.

.... Welp right back on then
 
Yup, 20ius pre and post 4x every week, Dbol Pre only.

Havent used log yet, I assume its more effective in some ways, but here in the US the price of NovolinR (humulin) is too cheap to pass.

Also same to you my friend, let the gains be never ending!

Sounds good. If you ever run humalog ease into it as the faster onset can make a huge difference. NovolinR is much more forgiving in many ways but even with that you still have to be careful especially when dosing it at 15iu+. Humulin R is a good first slin and is much easier to find and as you stated cheaper. The slower acting slin's (lantus etc) are good for hardgainers but you need to make sure your diet is on point 24/7 imo. I am not a fan of longer slins but understand why they are popular with some people. The fact I also an unable to function on hgh makes longer acting slins not the best choice as I believe they are best used in combination with hgh. The potential for fat gain is higher with longer acting slins especially for guys who's idea of gaining size is eating everything in sight. At least with the fast acting ones you can time them around acitivity/training.

What was your diet like on DNP? Basically did you have the same amount of carbs? I sweat so much after eating carbs on DNP it's almost ridiculous to see. I don't get embarassed easily but I remember being on a tram and had just ate a sandwich and I had to get off early as I looked like I had just jumped in a pool :eek: Literally sweat dripping off my face and everyone was staring at me :D The cravings can be bad with dnp so I know the feeling.
 
Balanced diet.

250c mostly fructorse and complex carbs but I'll do extra simple carbs early if im super tired.
150-200p as DNP make no negative effect to protein turnover or nitrogen retention.
60-80f as fats give me good energy on yellow death.

10 hours on my feet, 4 workouts a week, DNP+t3= just keep kcals under 3500.
 
Dont slowly up the kcals or slin, dive in and soak up nutrients asap while insulin sensitivity is still high. That was a typo kcals well over 4k, getting close to 5k currently 400+C/400+P/150F

Kind of crazy ive only out on 10lbs in 2 weeks, but I look much better/fuller while staying 90% as lean as I was in a deep defecit. I was under the impression using slin would be harder to stay lean, but its quite the opposite.

Do you think that this protocol would also be useful for natural or only if you are in gear, slin...?

Ugh, came off DNP since my strength was coming down, ive binge eat everyday since coming off.

.... Welp right back on then

Lol, that sounds to me.

Although it is difficult to maintain the diet in DNP, once it leaves, it is still difficult to eat clean.

Lower doses should be the solution, but once you do high doses, you do not want to reduce it, even if you feel like shit.
 
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Why the change from T4 to T3? If I missed reading that somewhere in the thread my apologies. DNP along with T3 just sounds like a recipe for muscle loss but I admittedly don't know a whole lot about DNP. So just curious why the addition of T3 at this point?
 
Do you think that this protocol would also be useful for natural or only if you are in gear, slin...?



Lol, that sounds to me.

Although it is difficult to maintain the diet in DNP, once it leaves, it is still difficult to eat clean.

Lower doses should be the solution, but once you do high doses, you do not want to reduce it, even if you feel like shit.

For nattys, I do think DNP is just as good as for enhanced. Actually may help nattys a little more in the long run. I wouldnt run the t3 if I werent on gear, and I only use slin while bulking.

I always taper my DNP, this time was all mental, just have to act like I got out of bed the wrong way and try again

Why the change from T4 to T3? If I missed reading that somewhere in the thread my apologies. DNP along with T3 just sounds like a recipe for muscle loss but I admittedly don't know a whole lot about DNP. So just curious why the addition of T3 at this point?

t3 over t4 to raise free t3, the idea for t4 during bulks is pure bro science but its cheap so I buy it.

As for muscle loss, 350 testP and 350 tren in the SHORT TERM (less than 6-8 weeks) little to no muscle loss will occur. Now youll get flat and weak, but it all comes roaring back and then some.
 
For nattys, I do think DNP is just as good as for enhanced. Actually may help nattys a little more in the long run. I wouldnt run the t3 if I werent on gear, and I only use slin while bulking.

I always taper my DNP, this time was all mental, just have to act like I got out of bed the wrong way and try again.

Sorry, but you have misunderstood, I was not asking about DNP for nattys.

I was asking about Phil Visicaro's bulking protocol, that you mentioned that implemented: raise the calories abruptly instead of stepwise. You say it worked well for you, but you're using slin and a lot of gears, so my question was whether a natural athlete would get benefits with a protocol like that or it's better to raise the calories slowly and cleanly.
 
Ahh then no, the AAS/Slin are amazing decomp tools. TBH I think most nattys do best either focusing on body comp (lean/hard) or sheer strength/size
 
Decided on a diet for my next bulk, trying to stay lean and hard for as long as possible like the HIT trainee's (hanshaw, mentzer, yates, etc)

Workout Day
Total 381 361 77 3661

Off Day
Total 131 286 96 2532

Changes;
-When slin isnt active only 70-140g of carbs, no shitty sauces or junk kcals
-Most of my fats come from eggs, steak, and olive oil
-This isnt CKD or TKD so we dont load up on the fats
-Metformin @ 500mg once on workout days, twice on off days
-Vertical style diet, low bloating food, meals in 'mash style,' chris gearheart PWO shake, etc

I work on my feet so if I get fat from this i'm picking up a new sport
 
Just waiting on my pack to land. Decided to go with letro for this blast as I just dont see asin or adex cutting it, e2 stays 50-80 trying to stay lower at like 20-30.

Been reading a shit ton from dusty hanshaw and dante, gonna give DC style a whirl, i've dont things close but never quite like pure DC training.

A more detailed diet plan;

Workout Days
Meal 1: Eggs, Egg Whites, Pancake Mix, Lite Syrup
Meal 2 (workout): Dextrose, Gummy Bears
Meal 3: Banana, OJ, Sherbet, Whey
Meal 4: Pork Loin, Pinto Beans, Rice, Pineapple
Meal 5/6: Chicken, White Potatoes, Kale, Olive Oil
Meal 7: Rice Cakes, High Protein Almond Butter

Non-Workout Days
Meal 1: Eggs, Cheese, Canned Tomatoes/Peppers
Meal 2/3: Steak, Sweet Potato, Carrots
Meal 3/4: Chicken, White Potatoes, Kale, Olive Oil
Meal 5: Cultured Cottage Cheese, Canned Tuna, Onions, Celery, Olive Oil

Gonna start giving myself a cheat meal every week, should make for some fun and keep me from binging other times.
 
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I think you'll have some fun and see some serious progress with DC style training. My offseason last year had a lot of elements of DC training and I added a bunch of tissue. It can be mentally taxing for sure, but once you start seeing progress it makes the suffering a lot easier.

Just waiting on my pack to land. Decided to go with letro for this blast as I just dont see asin or adex cutting it, e2 stays 50-80 trying to stay lower at like 20-30.

Been reading a shit ton from dusty hanshaw and dante, gonna give DC style a whirl, i've dont things close but never quite like pure DC training.

A more detailed diet plan;

Workout Days
Meal 1: Eggs, Egg Whites, Pancake Mix, Lite Syrup
Meal 2 (workout): Dextrose, Gummy Bears
Meal 3: Banana, OJ, Sherbet, Whey
Meal 4: Pork Loin, Pinto Beans, Rice, Pineapple
Meal 5/6: Chicken, White Potatoes, Kale, Olive Oil
Meal 7: Rice Cakes, High Protein Almond Butter

Non-Workout Days
Meal 1: Eggs, Cheese, Canned Tomatoes/Peppers
Meal 2/3: Steak, Sweet Potato, Carrots
Meal 3/4: Chicken, White Potatoes, Kale, Olive Oil
Meal 5: Cultured Cottage Cheese, Canned Tuna, Onions, Celery, Olive Oil

Gonna start giving myself a cheat meal every week, should make for some fun and keep me from binging other times.
 
I think you'll have some fun and see some serious progress with DC style training. My offseason last year had a lot of elements of DC training and I added a bunch of tissue. It can be mentally taxing for sure, but once you start seeing progress it makes the suffering a lot easier.

How many working sets did you do? I keep trying to talk myself down in working sets while getting as much volume/intensity for each lift, but alas i'm still looking at 8-10 working sets with many of those rest pause, widow makers, and dropsets. I think I may be over doing it?
 
For each exercise I would have probably anywhere from 2-4 feeder sets, and then just one working set for that exercise. I found that if I tried to do more than that my recovery took a big hit. When you really incorporate all the different techniques though with the rest-pause work and drop sets, you'll find that one working set taking a solid 2-3 minutes.

Like just as an example, say I was doing incline DB presses for chest. Once I hit my working set I would aim for around 25 reps going rest-pause, once I hit that number I would then do 3-4 drop sets immediately following, dropping weight about 20% each time and doing my best not take extra breaths and just keep things moving. That one set like that usually averaged around 3 minutes with most of that time being spent with the muscle under tension.

How many working sets did you do? I keep trying to talk myself down in working sets while getting as much volume/intensity for each lift, but alas i'm still looking at 8-10 working sets with many of those rest pause, widow makers, and dropsets. I think I may be over doing it?
 
Minor Changes;

EOD Workout Routine;

* Indicates stretcher

A
Warmup Scapula Press SS 2x12-20
Warmup Posterior Extension SS 2x12-20
Warmup Back Squat SS 2x8-12
Working Back Squat RP 1x15-20
Warmup Sumo Pull SS 2x5-8
Working Sumo Pull RP 1x11-15
*Working Quad Extension RP 1x20-30
*Working Hamstring Flexion RP 1x12-20
*Working Shoulder Press RP 1x15-20
*Working Shoulder Raise RP 1x20-30

B
Warmup Hip Hinge SS 2x8-12
Warmup Conventional Pull SS 2x5-8
Working Conventional Pull RP 1x11-15
Warmup Seated Pull SS 1x8-12
*Working Seated Pull RP 1x11-15
Warmup Hamstring Extension SS 1x8-12
*Working Hamstring Extension SS 1x5-8
*Working Scapula Pull SS 1x20-30
*Working Bicep Curl RP 1x15-20
Working Calf Raise RP 1x20-30

C
Warmup Scapula Stretch SS 2x20-30
Warmup Bench Press SS 2x8-12
*Working Bench Press RP 1x15-20
Warmup Arched Row SS 1x5-8
*Working Arched Row RP 1x11-15
*Working Fly SS 1x12-20
*Working Row SS 1x12-20
*Working Rear Fly SS 1x20-30
*Working Bicep Curl RP 1x20-30
*Working Tricep Press RP 1x30-40

D
Warmup Lunge SS 2x20-30
Warmup Overhead Press SS 2x5-8
*Working Overhead Press RP 1x3-5
Warmup Front Squat SS 2x8-12
Working Front Squat RP 1x11-15
*Working Chest Press RP 1x20-25
Warmup Leg Press SS 2x12-20
*Working Leg Press RP 1x20-25
*Working Tricep Extension RP 1x20-30
Working Calf Raise RP 1x40-50

AAS Protocol;

750mg TestE
550mg NPP/Deca
Workout Day: 4iu GH, 40iu HumR split pre and post, 40mg Dbol, 10mg Cialis, 500mg Metformin (Away from the workout)
Off Day; 10mg MK677, 200mcg T4, 250mcg Letro, 500mcg Prami, 1g Metformin
 
Been off DNP for a few days, I miss the warmth lmao. Ill have pics up soon, my back and chest looking fuggin legit for only 200lbs.
 
holy shit, ive now done a whopping two DC workouts and im sore, im in fucking love. Still on only 175mg TestP/175mg TrenA and yet strength is fucking soaring and these rest pauses are fucking wicked. Not able to get crazy reps yet, when I add in the AAS/Slin/Dbol/Intra i'll be able to really go deep into sets, for now I just try to break a few plateaus before I GO FUCKING SUPER SAYIAN!!
 
Blast starts sunday !!! I'm hard just writing that. Decided i'll up the workout frequency to 4x every week rather than 3.5x EOD style.

Todays workout;

*BB Pullover 50x20+
*DB Wide Hammer Press 80x12,110x15(RP)
*BB Smith Row 185x12,225x14(RP)
*DB Fly Complex 45x14
DB Single Arm Row 80x16(RP)
Cable Curl 135x18(RP)
*Cable Pressdown 150x21(RP)
DB Reverse Fly 30x22

I need a training partner, i've trained alone for the past 18months but i'll have to find one to get the max out of this. Need not only to hit failure each of the rest pause iterations but past it for the last one or two.
 
I've already planned my next cycle lmao;

1g EQ E10D
1g Sust E7D

PrW: 20iu HumR, 100mcg CJC No Dac, 300mcg Ipam
PWO: 20iu HumR, 100mcg IGF-LR3

T4/MK677/Letro/Prami ED
 
Packs been delayed, f'ing holidays. I started the blast today but without the MK677 or the Cialis. I'm a little overweight already but my lifes about to be so busy I imagine I lean out without any changes to diets or workouts, sitting 212 around 10-12% so I have no room to add any fat this blast.

Torso;
Banded Fly Isoholds 4x:10
Banded Row Isoholds 4x:10
Banded High Pull Isoholds 4x:10
*BB Bench Press 225x12,315x9/6/4
*BB Banded(45lbs) Bentover Row 135x12,225x8/5/3
*Cable Crossover 40x12,70x12/8/6
*Cable Seated Row 145x12,190x9/6/3
DB Paused Lateral Raise 35x12/9/6
*DB Neutral Shoulder Press 50x12,90x8/6/4
DB Calf Raise 45x00+

*indicates DC stretcher, 4x:00 is a stretch or hold, x00 is to absolute failure mainly for smaller muscles


I've learned a lot about motor patterns, CNS activation, and applied kinetics. Think of the CNS in terms of hypertrophy as traction control, it turns off power to the weaker muscles and diverts it to the stronger muscles. Think of a squat, people with strong posteriors and weak quads will never grow their legs with squats, but if they can train the motor pattern and train the CNS to revert to baseline, there's hope for more applied stimulus thus more hypertrophy.

TL;DR? CNS activation should always start your workout, warm up sets increase your ability to contract, use corrective exercises as active recovery, and always use analytical thinking to asses why a certain muscle wont grow as its often an issue with mechanics and posture rather than drugs or lifting split.

I came to the conclusion my lack of thoracic spine extension, poor scapula retraction, no tricep mobility, no hamstring mobility, a weak pelvis and posterior WERE ALL FUCKING RELATED. All I had to do was constantly be aware of my hunched over shoulders and add in 10 minutes a day of thoratic spine extensions and hip thrust isoholds. Viola, I feel like a whole new man!
 
Today;

DB Thoratic Extension/Vacuum
DB Lunging Shoulder External Rotation
Assisted Dips 180x20,120x12/8/6
Leg Press 10Px20,12Px20,16Px8/6/4
DB Press 50x20,80x20,115x9/7/5
Hack Sissy Squat 25x12,50x12/10/6
DB French Press/DB Hammer Press 30x20
BFR Leg Extensions 140x20,180x14/11/6

Trying to use less specific movements, did a better job today, still need to work on better contractions though.
 

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