Berberine instead of metformin/glucaphage

[mooch2321]

has anyone checked out berberine? ive been taking 1000mgs a day for a week now and feel awesome. I dont have the need to take a nap after my carb meals. My energy levels are staying the same all day long.

 

[3clipseGT]

has anyone checked out berberine? ive been taking 1000mgs a day for a week now and feel awesome. I dont have the need to take a nap after my carb meals. My energy levels are staying the same all day long.

Berberine is very good. Also gymnema sylvestre (spelling?) is very good also.

As far as a replacement for metformin or glucophage though i cant comment as i havnt used those.

 

[DOZZ]

IS IT A PRESCRIPTION OR A HERB?I TAKE THE GYMNEMA AND METFORMIN..

 

[mooch2321]

its an herb, studies out there show its just as effective as metformin for controlling blood sugar.

3clipseGT, ive been playing around with my dosing a little. Im still trying to find the best way for me to administer. how were you taking it?

 

[DOZZ]

ANY HEALTH FOOD OR NUTRITIONAL STORE CARRY IT OR ANY SUGGESTIONS ONLINE? WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT...THANKS

 

[discohornet]

ANY HEALTH FOOD OR NUTRITIONAL STORE CARRY IT OR ANY SUGGESTIONS ONLINE? WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT...THANKS

nutraplanet carries the bulk powder, called yellow gold. I highly advise against taking it in powder form though. Put it in capsules - it tastes like death warmed over.

 

[3clipseGT]

its an herb, studies out there show its just as effective as metformin for controlling blood sugar.

3clipseGT, ive been playing around with my dosing a little. Im still trying to find the best way for me to administer. how were you taking it?

Well with my current diet i only have one carb meal a day. So i take a product called SlinSane which contains gymnema about 15 minutes prior to that.

I also take 2 caps prior to my cheat/refeed meals.

Bitter Melon is also very good at lowering glucose and shuttling Aminos/nutrients/carbs etc into muscles.

 

[sonicwaste]

I like it... However, if I eat over a certain amount of carbs in a short time frame, I get extremely bloated.

 

[DOZZ]

nutraplanet carries the bulk powder, called yellow gold. I highly advise against taking it in powder form though. Put it in capsules - it tastes like death warmed over.

THANK YOU SIR..

 

[big ronster]

i read in a cpl different areas that it lowers dopamine. anyone notice diff mental status onit? i was all about it until i read that

 

[mooch2321]

i read in a cpl different areas that it lowers dopamine. anyone notice diff mental status onit? i was all about it until i read that

studies i saw showed a boost in seratonin, but nothing on dopamine.

 

[aphextwin]

Anyone know how it compares to R-ALA? It sounds interesting but I love ALA....still use metformin from time to time.

 

[aphextwin]

has anyone checked out berberine? ive been taking 1000mgs a day for a week now and feel awesome. I dont have the need to take a nap after my carb meals. My energy levels are staying the same all day long.

Where are you purchasing berberine?

Anyone have any research on this herb?

 

[thehazzle]

its in glycobol

 

[discohornet]

Anyone know how it compares to R-ALA? It sounds interesting but I love ALA....still use metformin from time to time.

ALA is still irreplaceable for its unique anti-oxidant and vitamin c and e recycling properties. Taking berberine would only make you more sensitive, and it also lowers triglycerides, something metformin doesn't

 

[discohornet]

i read in a cpl different areas that it lowers dopamine. anyone notice diff mental status onit? i was all about it until i read that

Some studies point to it lowering dopamine
Inhibitory Effects of Coptidis rhizoma and Berberine on Cocaine-Induced Sensitization

While others point to its MAOI properties leading to increased dopamine,
**broken link removed**

 

[discohornet]

Where are you purchasing berberine?

Anyone have any research on this herb?

I already mentioned nutraplanet, but swansons has a capsule version that's not too bad.
Swanson Premium Berberine 400 mg 60 Caps - Swanson Health Products

 

[hotrod]

Did a little research on this awhile back,the only thing That I haven't been able to find is whether its ability to increase insulin sensitivity was mainly in muscle cells or fat as well . Patients lost fat in there mid section which is a good sign that it does favor muscle more than fat, but you have to remember these people already had type 2 diabetes so lowering total insulin levels and blood glucose would help anyway. Could be like R-ALA and too much would start to improve sensitivity in fat cells as well as muscle, will try to find some more research.

 

[discohornet]

Did a little research on this awhile back,the only thing That I haven't been able to find is whether its ability to increase insulin sensitivity was mainly in muscle cells or fat as well . Patients lost fat in there mid section which is a good sign that it does favor muscle more than fat, but you have to remember these people already had type 2 diabetes so lowering total insulin levels and blood glucose would help anyway. Could be like R-ALA and too much would start to improve sensitivity in fat cells as well as muscle, will try to find some more research.

When it comes to insulin sensitivity, it really doesn't pay to worry about whether it's selective to muscle tissue or not. What is important is that you get insulin quiet as fast as possible. The less resistant cells are, no matter what type, the quicker we get blood sugar down, the quicker insulin stops being released. The less time we spend with insulin active, the more time we have to burn stored fatty acids.

If you're exercising with a decent amount of intensity more than twice a week, then worrying about whether your fat cells stored a few grams of sugar as triglycerides isn't productive. You'll use that up in your sleep, IF YOU ARE INSULIN SENSITIVE.

Think of insulin as a nagging girlfriend. At some point you just want her to shut up. The less she is bitching at you the better you feel, period. It doesn't make things better if you get her to bitch at you about something different. The point is, she is still nagging you. What you want to do is get her out of the room as quickly as possible so you can move on with more enjoyable things.

Besides, a muscle cell can only store so much glycogen. You can make it sensitive, but if there's no room there's no room.

If you still insist on trying to increase muscle sensitivity and decrease fat sensitivity, then go with IGF-1. This is about the only thing I've seen that has science backing it up as a selective glucose disposal agent. But be forewarned. IF you are insensitive to insulin because of a shitty diet, and if you consume enough carbs at one sitting, then all the igf-1 is going to do is make your blood sugar soar. Your muscles will only store so much. At that point you have now choked your liver and fat cells from storing anything and you are now sitting at 200+ blood glucose because you ate a tub of ice cream and drank a liter of pineapple juice. GH15 approved!!!

But if you read your glucose levels and see that it hangs out at 120+ a few hours after eating, then it really doesn't matter where you store the sugar, just get it the fuck out of your bloodstream, for your health AND your figure.

 

[Bio]

I looked it up to do some research and I thought this was interesting about it:

Berberine Research Study
Berberine, a natural product, induces G1-phase cell cycle arrest and caspase-3-dependent apoptosis in human prostate carcinoma cells.
Mol Cancer Ther. 2006. Department of Dermatology, University of Alabama at Birmingham, Volker Hall, University Boulevard, Birmingham, AL
Berberine, a naturally occurring isoquinoline alkaloid, has been shown to possess anti-inflammatory and antitumor properties in some in vitro systems. Here, we report that in vitro treatment of androgen-insensitive and androgen-sensitive (LNCaP) prostate cancer cells with berberine inhibited cell proliferation and induced cell death in a dose-dependent and time-dependent manner. The effectiveness of berberine in checking the growth of androgen-insensitive, as well as androgen-sensitive, prostate cancer cells without affecting the growth of normal prostate epithelial cells indicates that it may be a promising candidate for prostate cancer therapy.

More about it here:

Berberine health benefit and side effects by Ray Sahelian, M.D.