Best Fat Burner out there

[pumpkinhead]

Pumpkin those cramps are the worst lol. One time I was getting busy and my ham cramped. I never get ham cramps and noticed it right away and stopped dead and rolled over and just laughed for like 10 minutes. My fiancee is sitting there like, what? lol

I would def be interested in the Delta peptide. I will be trying the Imp and grf combo here soon as well. Will post results of course

brotha my forearms and triceps are cramped so bad, I could not hold a fork. My wife had to feed me as I laid with my arms stretched out terrified to move them or they would cramp up. Stuff really screws with me in my old age..headaches, etc.. I tend to stay away from it now. i wish so many meth heads had not screwed up ephedrin for all of us.

 

[gnosis]

Yea damn those are worse than I'd get. What doses were you running lol? I like clen for an icing on the cake type of stimulant. Usually towards the end of a cut you need a pick me up so it works great, especially that first 10 days or so. Ephedrin totally destroyed me lol. I can do clen but my fiancee had ephedrin tabs and I took ONE and was soo burn't out for 2 days. Strong stuff, but yea would be nice to have and others as well..

 

[pumpkinhead]

when I used to take it, it really wasn't dose dependent. Even one dose of 50-75mcg could put me into severe cramps. I used to try taking extra potasium and sodium..but nothing really relieved it. I just really can't take anything anymore, my body has such bad reactions. I can't even drink...if I drink 2 beers or drinks..I will have a full blown vomiting migrane before I am done with my second drink... I guess its my bodys way of keeping me clean. LOL

 

[Mike Arnold]

Without a doubt it is DNP. I have personal experience using it about 2 dozen clients. Once the dosage reaches about 500-600 mg/day (in 200+ lb men), fat loss can be increased to about 1 pound per day. Nothing else compared...not even close.

If we leave DNP out of it, a combination of fat-loss compounds is always the way to go for the most rapid fat loss. When speaking about a single product (aside from DNP), Helios is the best.

When talking about a combination of compounds (although not all comppounds are feasible for most women), it would be, in no particular order:

1.) Clenbuterol
2.) GH
3.) Trenbolone
4.) T3
5.) Methylsynephrine
6.) Caffeine
7.) Ephedrine
8.) Yohimbine (yohimbine HCL, 11-hydroxy Yohimbine, alpha yohimbine HCL)
9.) AI's (only when estrogen is elevated)
10.) Nolvedex (women have more estrogen receptors in areas like the hips, hams, and glutes, which impairs fat loss, so when Nolvadex is used in women, estrogen is largely prevented from attaching to these receptor sites and typical female fat pattern distribution is avoided. This takes place to a lesser extent in men. Yohimbine also displays preferential and targeted fat-loss in these areas, but through a different mechanism, specifically the alpha receptor).


All of these can be used simultaneously for extremely dramatic results, although they must be layered in and dosed appropriately, in order to ensure that the heart rate stays withina normal range.

 

[dragonfire101]

Without a doubt it is DNP. I have personal experience using it about 2 dozen clients. Once the dosage reaches about 500-600 mg/day (in 200+ lb men), fat loss can be increased to about 1 pound per day. Nothing else compared...not even close.

If we leave DNP out of it, a combination of fat-loss compounds is always the way to go for the most rapid fat loss. When speaking about a single product (aside from DNP), Helios is the best.

When talking about a combination of compounds (although not all comppounds are feasible for most women), it would be, in no particular order:

1.) Clenbuterol
2.) GH
3.) Trenbolone
4.) T3
5.) Methylsynephrine
6.) Caffeine
7.) Ephedrine
8.) Yohimbine (yohimbine HCL, 11-hydroxy Yohimbine, alpha yohimbine HCL)
9.) AI's (only when estrogen is elevated)
10.) Nolvedex (women have more estrogen receptors in areas like the hips, hams, and glutes, which impairs fat loss, so when Nolvadex is used in women, estrogen is largely prevented from attaching to these receptor sites and typical female fat pattern distribution is avoided. This takes place to a lesser extent in men. Yohimbine also displays preferential and targeted fat-loss in these areas, but through a different mechanism, specifically the alpha receptor).


All of these can be used simultaneously for extremely dramatic results, although they must be layered in and dosed appropriately, in order to ensure that the heart rate stays withina normal range.

Your missing a few good ones: nicotine tyramine, theobromina nd thre are a few more.

 

[TNH]

Nothing on this planet is as powerful as DNP when it comes to burning fat.
Add a low dose of tren to hold onto mass and burn some more fat. You'll be a lethargic, sweaty mess, but you will be shredded in no time.

Whenever these threads come up, many people mention clen. I can't stand the cramping and jittery feelings. I put up with them for a few cycles, until I learned just how terrible clen is. It is probably one of the worst drugs for hurting your heart.

I've always been against clen use since.
1 mcg/kg of bodyweight can induce apoptosis (programmed cell death) in heart tissue..........

J Appl Physiol. 2004 Dec 10; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

{beta}2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom.

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, Clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known if this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of Clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections using a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed using annexin V, single-strand DNA labelling and TUNEL). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h, and peaked 4 h after Clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of Clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg kg(-1), with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.005 %; P<0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg kg(-1) . In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2 %; P<0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg kg(-1). Cardiomyocyte apoptosis occurred throughout the ventricles, atria and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way from the apex towards the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol or ICI 118,551) or reserpine was used to show that Clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by Clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

 

[warrior504th]

raw fat burning: DNP (with some test to try to hold the muscle LOL

great but far less sides: ECY

 

[Mike Arnold]

Your missing a few good ones: nicotine tyramine, theobromina nd thre are a few more.

Yeah...there are others, but I realized that if I started getting into OTC compounds too much (of which there are some damn good ones)...the list would be long, but I did forget about Theobromine and nicotine. I would never advise nicotine be used, though...at least not long-term for obvious reasons.

I think the (methyl)phenlylethylamines are good to and I almpst listed them, but I left them off simply because they act more as mood enhancers and apetite suppresants/ carb craving. That can be helpful for people who are having major cravings and feel like shit, though.

This industry has come such a long way when it comes to fat-loss over the last 15 years, it is impressive.

 

[pumpkinhead]

When I was younger I used to experiment with DNP... Nasty stuff. even 600mg of crystilized dnp would make me feel like i was dying (at the time I was about 240-250)... I have found over the years, thru a good diet and good supplements, I will look much better without it. DNP does burn fat, but your so lethargic and sick, you can't train for shit and you will loose muscle.

I just hope people who have never done dnp read this and think its a great idea. For anyone who is considering it, think twice. This stuff is no joke, sleep with a fan on your head so your brain doesn't hit too high of a temp, sweat yellow, out of breath walking up a flight of stairs, just wanting to lay down and not move as your think your dying. I don't mean to preach "stay natural"...but in this case, I would say your better off without it. The sides overcome any benefits. IMO of course.

 

[anta]

Another thing that scares me about DNP is eye problems, doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

[KlingonFromUranus]

Hands down the best is DNP!!! by far! I also liked it much more than clen... i feel it is safer too when done correctly ... 9lbs of fat in 11 days! NOTHING else touches that!

What was your dose?