Best IGf dosage

[gbodt]

About to run my first igf/hgh cycle. What would be the best dosage of igf for maximum muscle gains. I am doing 4iu hgh 6 days on one day off. Plus I am running 750 of test and 400 eq

 

[dmorton333]

My similar question

Here is one of my post from another site, maybe this will help you out.


My research has my subject at 8iu of humalog of slin ED, what dosages would be sufficient of the IGF-1 DES.
As well will there need to be any added sugar to the Subject after slin/IGF injection? Subject is at 10g of sugar per 1iu of slin currently.
The Subject will be off a cycle when applying advised dosage, or would consider small dosage for next 5 wks till cycle of test and deca is over. Subject is finishing 14 week research cycle Of 600mg of test and 450 deca, Wkly. Any Help?


Repy-

I would start your research around 40mcg and see what that does for you. I would say that would have no extra need for sugars...

 

[5004paloma]

About to run my first igf/hgh cycle. What would be the best dosage of igf for maximum muscle gains. I am doing 4iu hgh 6 days on one day off. Plus I am running 750 of test and 400 eq

From my research I've learned that "less is more" with IGF-1 products. I'm two weeks into a cycle of IGF-1 DES 1,3 and IGF-2 LR3 both at 20mcg (40mcg total) post-workout IM, 5 days on / 2 days off. Results are surprising me so far... Up 4lbs, strength up slightly, recovery better, appetite increased, etc.

I would suggest start at 40mcg IM, post-work out, bilaterally (into similar muscles on both sides of the body).

 

[Oldguy]

IGF-1 DES 1,3

Is IGF-1 DES 1,3 reconstituted the same as IGF-1 LR3 (i.e. acetic acid)?

 

[5004paloma]

Is IGF-1 DES 1,3 reconstituted the same as IGF-1 LR3 (i.e. acetic acid)?

yes

 

[Benjifornothing]

About to run my first igf/hgh cycle. What would be the best dosage of igf for maximum muscle gains. I am doing 4iu hgh 6 days on one day off. Plus I am running 750 of test and 400 eq

UNOFFICIAL IGF-1 INSTRUCTIONS


(1) Storage of IGF-1 (prior to mixing)

Lyophilized (dry) IGF-1 is stable at room temperature for 3 weeks; however, it should be stored below -18 degrees Celsius (in the freezer section).


(2) Weight of IGF-1

1 milligram (mg) IGF-1 = 1000 micrograms (mcg) IGF-1

[Dry weight—before mixing]


(3) What to Mix the IGF-1 with

When reconstituting (adding water), It is important to remember that IGF-1 can get “stuck” in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. While glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it is a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.

By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an “acid water” (e.g. 10mM HCL– very dilute hydrochloric acid), the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture. Any online “compounding” laboratory could mix up a 10mM HCL solution. Likewise, any intro chemistry student should be able to do the same.

If a reliable source of “acid water” cannot be located, mix your IGF-1 powder with bacteriostatic water—you’ll lose, at worst, 10% of the IGF-1 solution.


(4) Adding the Acid Water

For purposes of mathematical ease, I suggest mixing the dry 1mg (1000mcg) IGF-1 with 3mL (or 3cc) of the “acid water” mixture.


(5) Preservation of the IGF-1

Using a 1cc insulin syringe, draw 1cc out of the bottle that contains 3cc of the acid water/IGF-1 mixture. In a separate 1cc insulin syringe, draw up another 1cc of the solution. Freeze these two loaded insulin syringes. They will be utilized at a later date.

NOTE: Freezing can safely and effectively preserve IGF-1 (even after it’s been mixed).


(6) The Correct Dilution

To the remaining 1cc of IGF-1 that’s left in the glass bottle, add 2cc of bacteriostatic water. This will return the total volume back up to 3cc.


(7) The Mathematics

(a) The original concentration of the IGF-1 solution was 1mg (1000mcg) IGF-1 in 3cc of water.

(b) Each 1cc that we removed, then, contained approximately 333mcg per 1cc.

1000mcg / 3cc = 333mcg per 1cc

(c) The 1cc that was left in the bottle, then, also contains 333mcg of IGF-1.

(d) We added 2cc of bacteriostatic water to the bottle and brought the total volume back up to 3cc. The difference, now, is that we now have 333mcg in 3cc of liquid (instead of in 1cc)


(e) To determine how much IGF-1 is in 1cc, you must divide by 3

333mcg / 3cc = 111mcg per 1cc


(f) To determine how much IGF-1 is in .10cc (or 1/10th cc), we do the following:

111mcg / 10 = 11mcg per .10cc (or 10 unit marking on insulin syringe)


(8) Effective Dosages of IGF-1

Dosages in the range of 10-20mcg per day (taken 15-20 minutes after training) are quite effective for building and repairing muscle tissue. More importantly, these “moderate” dosages (by some people’s estimation) stimulate muscle growth yet escape rapid “downregulation” of the all important IGF-1 receptors. Without receptors to recognize the IGF-1, it doesn’t matter how much you inject.

As dosages climb to over 50mcg per day, receptor downgrade increases exponentially and, from what I’ve observed among bodybuilders, muscle gains come to a screeching halt.

Bodybuilders will have the most success with IGF-1 if they follow the protocol I outlined below. Remember, more isn’t always better!

 

[purelifting]

great post!

 

[Mayhem]

About to run my first igf/hgh cycle. What would be the best dosage of igf for maximum muscle gains. I am doing 4iu hgh 6 days on one day off. Plus I am running 750 of test and 400 eq

2iu GH in the morning, empty stomach

2iu GH immediately PWO, wait fifteen minutes then IGF-1 (20mcg to 60mcg)

 

[gbodt]

Thanks for the tips

 

[gbodt]

Glad to hear that you can mix it without the vinegar. I think I'll lose the 10% in the vial and just do a little more per useage to make up for the lose.

 

[purelifting]

UNOFFICIAL IGF-1 INSTRUCTIONS


(1) Storage of IGF-1 (prior to mixing)

Lyophilized (dry) IGF-1 is stable at room temperature for 3 weeks; however, it should be stored below -18 degrees Celsius (in the freezer section).


(2) Weight of IGF-1

1 milligram (mg) IGF-1 = 1000 micrograms (mcg) IGF-1

[Dry weight—before mixing]


(3) What to Mix the IGF-1 with

When reconstituting (adding water), It is important to remember that IGF-1 can get “stuck” in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. While glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it is a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.

By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an “acid water” (e.g. 10mM HCL– very dilute hydrochloric acid), the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture. Any online “compounding” laboratory could mix up a 10mM HCL solution. Likewise, any intro chemistry student should be able to do the same.

If a reliable source of “acid water” cannot be located, mix your IGF-1 powder with bacteriostatic water—you’ll lose, at worst, 10% of the IGF-1 solution.


(4) Adding the Acid Water

For purposes of mathematical ease, I suggest mixing the dry 1mg (1000mcg) IGF-1 with 3mL (or 3cc) of the “acid water” mixture.


(5) Preservation of the IGF-1

Using a 1cc insulin syringe, draw 1cc out of the bottle that contains 3cc of the acid water/IGF-1 mixture. In a separate 1cc insulin syringe, draw up another 1cc of the solution. Freeze these two loaded insulin syringes. They will be utilized at a later date.

NOTE: Freezing can safely and effectively preserve IGF-1 (even after it’s been mixed).


(6) The Correct Dilution

To the remaining 1cc of IGF-1 that’s left in the glass bottle, add 2cc of bacteriostatic water. This will return the total volume back up to 3cc.


(7) The Mathematics

(a) The original concentration of the IGF-1 solution was 1mg (1000mcg) IGF-1 in 3cc of water.

(b) Each 1cc that we removed, then, contained approximately 333mcg per 1cc.

1000mcg / 3cc = 333mcg per 1cc

(c) The 1cc that was left in the bottle, then, also contains 333mcg of IGF-1.

(d) We added 2cc of bacteriostatic water to the bottle and brought the total volume back up to 3cc. The difference, now, is that we now have 333mcg in 3cc of liquid (instead of in 1cc)


(e) To determine how much IGF-1 is in 1cc, you must divide by 3

333mcg / 3cc = 111mcg per 1cc


(f) To determine how much IGF-1 is in .10cc (or 1/10th cc), we do the following:

111mcg / 10 = 11mcg per .10cc (or 10 unit marking on insulin syringe)


(8) Effective Dosages of IGF-1

Dosages in the range of 10-20mcg per day (taken 15-20 minutes after training) are quite effective for building and repairing muscle tissue. More importantly, these “moderate” dosages (by some people’s estimation) stimulate muscle growth yet escape rapid “downregulation” of the all important IGF-1 receptors. Without receptors to recognize the IGF-1, it doesn’t matter how much you inject.

As dosages climb to over 50mcg per day, receptor downgrade increases exponentially and, from what I’ve observed among bodybuilders, muscle gains come to a screeching halt.

Bodybuilders will have the most success with IGF-1 if they follow the protocol I outlined below. Remember, more isn’t always better!

You broke it down to be idiot proof almost.... you just built a better idiot! Just kidding, but did you do this yourself of copy and paste it from somewhere?