best protein pwo

[flexdurden]

Dietary omega-3 fatty acid supplementation in... [Am J Clin Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

This wasn't about fish oil, just to show that MTOR is not the only anabolic pathway in the body.

Point was originally, eating a meal containing FOOD is your best bet, even if we don't have a study to compare the two. Some extrapolating and reasoning is necessary.

You said SCIENCE, which would mean concrete evidence... you just contradicted yourself

 

[Ross Erstling]

I really don't understand how someone can say milk protein isolate is absolutely superior to whey iso+egg protein+micellar casein mix.....or either of the three alone..
Please explain your viewpoint.

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I never said that, I said that WHEY ALONE is INFERIOR to any of the combinations you just listed above.

 

[Ross Erstling]

You said SCIENCE, which would mean concrete evidence... you just contradicted yourself

No, the SCIENCE WE HAVE AVAILABLE. We don't HAVE a study for everything.

I have a quote that I came up with that I find myself repeating often: Lack of data does not imply a failure of hypothesis.

 

[flexdurden]

No, the SCIENCE HE HAVE AVAILABLE. We don't HAVE a study for everything.

I have a quote that I came up with that I find myself repeating often: Lack of data does not imply a failure of hypothesis.

Then don't state it purely as fact Ross, that is all you have to do... don't use absolutes for everything... I am just being scrutinizing of your verbage because it does make a difference....

I honestly think you'll come across in a much more inviting manner if you altered your phasing and more inviting = more business... geee...something to think about in growing your business...

 

[Ross Erstling]

Whats your PWO meal now you're a vegetarian?

Also, what are your daily protein sources?

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My post workout meal varies tremendously now..I can get in to some interesting meals that I do...

 

[ferd]

LBAs

Bingo!!

 

[kingpeon]

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Post workout meals should ALWAYS BE FOOD.

The Bulgarian, Russian and Eastern Bloc Olympic weight lifting coaches would disagree with you. They have a very good reason why they use amino acids intraveneously for their athletes after training.

You want an empty stomach when you train. Then you have your aminos (either a good hydrolyzed tablet form or hydrolyzed casein or whey powder) 30-45 minutes before training, during and immediately after. Then you can eat your solid food meal an hour after taking the aminos.

This made a night and day difference in recovery for myself and everyone that I know that followed this advice.

 

[kingpeon]

But whey, or preferably a protein high in di and tri peptides (pepto pro), will spike amino acid levels fastest... That being said, if you have the need (training with sufficient intensity, volume...etc) and are using an intra workout recovery drink, then you already have the amino acid spike from the drink and in that case, a whole food meal would be appropriate.

I don't know about you but I ain't even thinking about food for at least 45 minutes after training, especially after training thighs or back. I'd be wasting a perfect window of growth by not using aminos during this time.

 

[Ross Erstling]

The Bulgarian, Russian and Eastern Bloc Olympic weight lifting coaches would disagree with you. They have a very good reason why they use amino acids intraveneously for their athletes after training.

You want an empty stomach when you train. Then you have your aminos (either a good hydrolyzed tablet form or hydrolyzed casein or whey powder) 30-45 minutes before training, during and immediately after. Then you can eat your solid food meal an hour after taking the aminos.

This made a night and day difference in recovery for myself and everyone that I know that followed this advice.

The "magical anabolic window" does not exist, and consuming protein immediately after a workout is NOT more beneficial than waiting an hour or two. It's just dogma. HOWEVER, I do absolutely agree about using Hydrolysates INTRA. I would like to offer you 35% off MyoFUEL.

 

[LEX]

and now the phase where every single thread on PM turns into hijack.

soften by the 30% discount in every post..

Nice

 

[Ross Erstling]

and now the phase where every single thread on PM turns into hijack.

soften by the 30% discount in every post..

Nice

I would like to offer you 35% on Humanotropin LEX, cmon. :headbang::yeahthat:

 

[LEX]

I would like to offer you 35% on Humanotropin LEX, cmon. :headbang::yeahthat:

I'd pay full price if it will cut your hijacking down.

 

[Ross Erstling]

I'd pay full price if it will cut your hijacking down.

In all fairness, I only mention my products in RELEVANT threads. I also sell a PROTEIN POWDER which I did NOT even mention in this thread because I am HONEST and don't believe in PWO shakes. INTRA I believe in and thats why I suggested MyoFUEL. I will make an effort though, just wanted to make a big splash at first

 

[kingpeon]

The "magical anabolic window" does not exist, and consuming protein immediately after a workout is NOT more beneficial than waiting an hour or two. It's just dogma.

You better believe it exists, especially if you're training more than once a day. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I've tried just about every post training recovery technique you could think of. Out of necessity, basically, because I'm natural but also greedy for gains.

Aminos before, during and immediately after training is the fastest and most effective recovery technique available for the natural bodybuilder, bar none.

 

[Ross Erstling]

You better believe it exists, especially if you're training more than once a day. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I've tried just about every post training recovery technique you could think of. Out of necessity, basically, because I'm natural but also greedy for gains.

Aminos before, during and immediately after training is the fastest and most effective recovery technique available for the natural bodybuilder, bar none.

Where is your scientific evidence?

 

[kingpeon]

Where is your scientific evidence?

Contact the Bulgarian National Weightlifting Team. They've got what you're looking for.

 

[iintensity]

Ross, that is a cancer study...c'mon.... I understand you have your beliefs, but now you are just fishing.

Also, you keep bring up mixed macros when that was not even part of the discussion, it was what generates the greatest protein synthetic response.....

I have life to get to...you can hold your beliefs, you are entitled to them

Timing does not matter. There is nothing special about whey post workout.
Whey protein before and during resistan - PubMed Mobile

He brings up mixed macros because it changes the digestion rate of protein completely, further slowing it down.

 

[lbg]

The entirety of page two of this thread is hilarious.

 

[kingpeon]

Timing does not matter. There is nothing special about whey post workout.
Whey protein before and during resistan - PubMed Mobile

He brings up mixed macros because it changes the digestion rate of protein completely, further slowing it down.

That study is a joke. There are way too many variables not accounted for to explain why whey was ineffectual for increasing protein synthesis. Man, you guys are a riot.

 

[Ross Erstling]

That study is a joke. There are way too many variables not accounted for to explain why whey was ineffectual for increasing protein synthesis. Man, you guys are a riot.

You're living in the 90's, do you still eat every 2 hours on the dot too? That does nothing for metabolism either, just so you know