better PCT with proviron or clomid or nolvadex

[racso]

hi all

I would to do a cycle with only Testovis for 6 weeks (300mg/week) and I undecided for PCT

follow some option (start 3 days after last inject by vis):
1 ) proviron 7-8 50mg/d + nolvadex 20mg/d
proviron 9-10 25mg/d + nolvadex 20mg/d

2 ) proviron 7-8 50mg/d + clomid 50mg/d
proviron 9-10 25mg/d + clomid 50mg/d

3 ) proviron 7-8 50mg/d + clomid 50mg/d + nolvadex 20mg/d
proviron 9-10 25mg/d + clomid 50mg/d + nolvadex 20mg/d

4 ) 7-10 clomid 50mg/d + nolvadex 20mg/d

5 ) 7-10 only clomid

6 ) 7-10 only nolvadex

Thanks a lot for every reply

 

[deltaguy]

I have yet to see any proof of a synergy with the clomid/nolva combo. If someone has some medical literature on this I would be happy to read it and change my view.

I personally do not like clomid.

I think the 4 weeks of nolva @ 20mgs ed and a reasonable dose of the proviron @ 50mgs ed would be good choice.

However, this is pure speculation because everyone responds differently to different compounds and combination thereof. If you really want to see if you are recovered, you will need blood work. If you don't get blood work done then maybe you could run the pct for 6 weeks.... that is what I do when I am not able to get blood work done right away.

Just my $0.02

Best of luck.

 

[pesty4077]

I personally like HCG and novadex.

 

[deltaguy]

I personally like HCG and novadex.

I def like HCG as well. I just prefer it while on than during PCT. I would rather keep my boys big and functioning near normal than to try to bring them back from the dead.

 

[KillerStack]

I don't think Proviron directly helps recovery, might even inhibit it. It could be useful for mood an libido support though.

 

[racso]

I have yet to see any proof of a synergy with the clomid/nolva combo. If someone has some medical literature on this I would be happy to read it and change my view.

I personally do not like clomid.

I think the 4 weeks of nolva @ 20mgs ed and a reasonable dose of the proviron @ 50mgs ed would be good choice.

However, this is pure speculation because everyone responds differently to different compounds and combination thereof. If you really want to see if you are recovered, you will need blood work. If you don't get blood work done then maybe you could run the pct for 6 weeks.... that is what I do when I am not able to get blood work done right away.

Just my $0.02

Best of luck.

Thanks, I'll follow your suggestion, but I would to ask another question ...

Why don't you like clomid?

I ask that because where I train all people like more clomid in PCT than nolva and nolva's used only if come a gyno. In PCT only clomid plus (sometime) proviron and stop.

 

[KillerStack]

Thanks, I'll follow your suggestion, but I would to ask another question ...

Why don't you like clomid?

I ask that because where I train all people like more clomid in PCT than nolva and nolva's used only if come a gyno. In PCT only clomid plus (sometime) proviron and stop.

This might be of interest

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[deltaguy]

I don't think Proviron directly helps recovery, might even inhibit it. It could be useful for mood an libido support though.

I would recommend it for pct due to its ability to counteract sexual dysfunction and like you said for mood enhancement. It has only been proven to inhibit recovery at doses above 300mgs... no one in their right mind would take such a dose nor probably could afford that.

 

[deltaguy]

This might be of interest

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Great article. One of my favs. Thanks for finding it.

 

[inoverdrive]

In the past I always ran nolvadex thru the entire cycle (prevent gyno) and thru the clomid therapy as well. Along with that I did 1000mgs of HCG every third week and another one week after my last shot of enathate. Worked fine for me.
Proviron I ran with the cycle but not pct.

 

[Phidias]

Killerstack is right... Proviron shouldn't be used in PCT.

Since when taking androgens will help your own hormonal system recover?

The purpose of PCT is to come off EVERY AAS, even the mildest.

Otherwise why not taking a little primo and oh a few tabs of anavar and maybe 50mg deca and... get my point?

 

[btech]

This might be of interest

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(from the article) "Nolvadex also seems preferred from long-term use, for those who find anti-estrogens effective enough at raising testosterone levels to warrant using as anabolics."

Does this mean that you could run nolvadex, not as a PCT but by itself and receive some benefit?

 

[deltaguy]

Killerstack is right... Proviron shouldn't be used in PCT.

Since when taking androgens will help your own hormonal system recover?

The purpose of PCT is to come off EVERY AAS, even the mildest.

Otherwise why not taking a little primo and oh a few tabs of anavar and maybe 50mg deca and... get my point?

I found this article and based my decision whether to use or not use proviron during pct on this discussion. I think with such a low dose (considering it is a weak anabolic) it shouldn't impede recovery but maybe help just enough with the other sides of coming off as I mentioned above. I have to agree with some other folks and say it depends on the person and how they react to the certain compounds. Some may find it extremely beneficial for whatever reasons. That is for you to decide if and when you try it.

http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/llewellyn/necessity-of-pct.htm