Big A and other pros collaboration?

[richiec]

Funny how GH15 has such a bad rep here yet his advice on drugs and training always line up with what Big A has stated on here for years. Like you said GH15 just goes even more in depth with dosags and compounds. He also calls people out - and many dislike him for that. lol

I think it's more of the "threats" that people don't like

 

[Tinyshrek]

Gh15 is right about ALOT. He's just an ass how he comes Across to people so they take offense. He attacks people. No tact at all, but knows his shit

 

[K1]

So, this thread is going to turn into a gh15 thread and why he has a bad rep here?!

That is not the reason he is frowned upon here...It is because he bashes this board, owner and staff...It is also because it was suggested that if he really felt strongly about his views, he could come over and join and post for himself...Not through his "elves".....

Enough of the gh15 shit, stay on topic.....

 

[jay_dub]

So, this thread is going to turn into a gh15 thread and why he has a bad rep here?!

That is not the reason he is frowned upon here...It is because he bashes this board, owner and staff...It is also because it was suggested that if he really felt strongly about his views, he could come over and join and post for himself...Not through his "elves".....

Enough of the gh15 shit, stay on topic.....

I'm surely not trying to start any more GH15 drama.

 

[johnjuanb1]

ON this very board is a member who is very open about his usage and I give him credit for that. His name is johnjuan. He said he used 2 grams of testosterone in his very first cycle, he says he has been on for 17 years straight, has used ungoldly amounts of everything, insulin, gh, peptides you name it in large amounts etc etc etc etc.
So much so that Ive had state level overall winning and national level bodybuilders who read this board PM to me or say to me in person "holy shit that guy is crazy huh?"
If I remember correctly I believe John is 38 years old and in his last show he placed 7th-8th in his class at the california state show **broken link removed**
and he is I think 5'9" or 5'10" onstage and 215-221 lbs or roundabouts.
Now if the "anyone can be pro bodybuilder size if" credo was true....here is the telltale methodology of accomplishing it because I doubt very much that there are many more bodybuilders on this board who have used as much as John in the massive amounts he has.
I am not using this as a putdown of JohnJuan....he is very open with his usage and I am using it for an example.
Now take a look at someone who has used for 17 years straight in massive amounts = good bodybuilder **broken link removed**
and take a look at someones pics over the last few shows who is much younger with pro genetics who is the same height as John
Muscular Development Online Magazine - Jason Huh - Southern States Bodybuilding, Fitness & Figure Championships 2011
or Muscular Development Online Magazine - Jason Huh - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Championships 2011
go half way down the above page and open up the double bicep shot and do the same with John

I dont know how to make this any more clear to everyone than the visual of it all....but if you dont see the distinct difference in physique and the 45-50 pounds of extra muscle mass at the very same height....then i dont know what else to say on this front.

I completely agree! Genetics is the biggest factor in bodybuilding. I have done the best I can with what I was given. My genetic potential to put on muscle mass is very limited. 10 grams a week, 30ius hgh, and a shit-ton of slin will not make me a pro. I just don't have the tools necessary to do so.

You can always improve on what you were blessed with. But, only a select few have the genetic potential to go pro.

 

[desibaba]

I completely agree! Genetics is the biggest factor in bodybuilding. I have done the best I can with what I was given. My genetic potential to put on muscle mass is very limited. 10 grams a week, 30ius hgh, and a shit-ton of slin will not make me a pro. I just don't have the tools necessary to do so.

You can always improve on what you were blessed with. But, only a select few have the genetic potential to go pro.

I have to ask what is it at this point that makes you keep on doing this? I mean I'm sure at over 40years of age you know you won't ever be Mr Olympia. How do you keep the fire alive knowing you are taking serious risks with your health? Just curious.

 

[johnjuanb1]

I have to ask what is it at this point that makes you keep on doing this? I mean I'm sure at over 40years of age you know you won't ever be Mr Olympia. How do you keep the fire alive knowing you are taking serious risks with your health? Just curious.

I am the type of person who has to keep improving. I would never be satisfied to just maintain, let alone regress in my physical appearance. I have a very strong drive to take things to a level I have not yet been too.

I don't believe I'm putting my health in jeopardy. I guess that's the bottom line. I have out lived many people that I deeply cared about, who were much younger than myself. When it's my time to go, I will go. If you knew the things I've survived in the past, you would understand why I don't fear death. I've been on borrowed time for the past 14 years, and I'm not referring to my internal organs that I thought were blown out.

 

[Swifto]

I completely agree! Genetics is the biggest factor in bodybuilding. I have done the best I can with what I was given. My genetic potential to put on muscle mass is very limited. 10 grams a week, 30ius hgh, and a shit-ton of slin will not make me a pro. I just don't have the tools necessary to do so.

You can always improve on what you were blessed with. But, only a select few have the genetic potential to go pro.

Which is coming from a man that has pushed the boundries and done so for 17 years.

There you have it.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Dante - I have a question for you.

You have Big A stating this in the beginning few pages of this thread:



The rest of the thread is basically arguments between the guys who are believing Big A's statement to be true and you (and your followers) who act like those people are just plain stupid.

So are you saying that Big A is completely off with his statement? No one ever calls out Big A when he states this stuff. But yet the guys who seem to believe what Big A is saying get attacked.

Also, I'll always remember when I first came to this board and sent a PM to you. In that PM you told me that ANYONE can get to pro size with enough time, training, and eating. Even more specifically you said that you could become "one of the top 3 at any gym".

So have your views changed lately on this subject?

Top 3 in your gym yep.....a really big boy...yep....pro size? Everyone? I have a hard time believing i said that anyone can get to pro size.

 

[Juice3000]

I am the type of person who has to keep improving. I would never be satisfied to just maintain, let alone regress in my physical appearance. I have a very strong drive to take things to a level I have not yet been too.

I don't believe I'm putting my health in jeopardy. I guess that's the bottom line. I have out lived many people that I deeply cared about, who were much younger than myself. When it's my time to go, I will go. If you knew the things I've survived in the past, you would understand why I don't fear death. I've been on borrowed time for the past 14 years, and I'm not referring to my internal organs that I thought were blown out.

Your last two posts were some of the best things I've ever read on any forum. Your honesty and drive is something that I respect. Knowing that I'll never go pro too helps put things in perspective all the time. How much shit do I wanna take, how much money do I ultimately want to spend on this, the way I see it is if I can improve on my physique every year I can't not be satisfied. I'm surprised I made it to my current age as it is I thought I'd never see 20. I can't say I wanna run 10g anabolics a week 4cc shots the pain is bad enough but I still can respect where you come from and the drive you have

 

[JonnyO]

JJB1, from the start on your endeavor, has your training and diet always been on point the last 17 years?

The reason I ask is someone can take all the gear they want, but if all their marbles arent lined up in a row they wont make the progress no matter how genetically blessed they are, IMHO. This imo is where someone with less than stellar genetics taking larger dosages and training and diet are perfectly on point or even working with one of the top guys will push ahead through hard work.

Maybe if JJB1 had a guru in his corner from the start me might of been pro?

 

[Swifto]

JJB1, from the start on your endeavor, has your training and diet always been on point the last 17 years?

The reason I ask is someone can take all the gear they want, but if all their marbles arent lined up in a row they wont make the progress no matter how genetically blessed they are, IMHO. This imo is where someone with less than stellar genetics taking larger dosages and training and diet are perfectly on point or even working with one of the top guys will push ahead through hard work.

Maybe if JJB1 had a guru in his corner from the start me might of been pro?

Good question.

No pop at JJ (he has my utmost respect), but didn't he say that he gets or got a great majority of his protein every day from shakes? I am yet to see a Pro do that or hear about it, but I don't speak to pro's regularly.

 

[way8lifter]

on the same topic but a different side of it ... I have a friend that puts on muscle like nobody's buisiness...6 2 330 right now ...I know that 2 years ago the University around here dunk tanked him at 11% at 312 lbs ...buit when he tries to cut up ..he seems to lose 2 pounds of fat and and a pound of muscle ...ends up being a smaller version of his gym self ..barely more cut ...
so what do you guys think ....how heavily are genetics involved for stripping fat and holding onto muscle??

 

[animal eater]

Genetics is the name of the game

Without a doubt genetics is the game. Anyone who believes otherwise kidding themselves. I have trained thousands of people and I can tell you in the first session who ever has a chance to ever shine.

I can look at myself as a perfect example. While to the general public I look like a big fit guy- probably more like a light heavy in UFC in terms of size and while I am inherently strong, I would never ever have a chance to go anywhere in the bodybuilding world. I am a torso freak meaning thick chest back and shoulders but will never have nasty teardrops or peaking biceps. And in all honesty this is probably a saving grace. Why.... because I don't need to be tempted to take unhealthy amounts of anything.

The end result is I am fit, take no medication, and can get a hard on at 43 without the aid of anything. Will I ever give Kai a run for the money... no but I think I have a good chance of outliving him.

This crap that it is all about drugs alone is a fairy tale. We all know plenty of guys who juice to the gills, can eat like tomorrow and still look average at best. Genetics, genetics, genetics.

 

[jay_dub]

Top 3 in your gym yep.....a really big boy...yep....pro size? Everyone? I have a hard time believing i said that anyone can get to pro size.

Well I dont have the pm from that far back obviously so I can't prove otherwise. But I do know at that point in time, coming from you, it was one of the most motivational things anyone had said to me. I always thought I had no chance in hell at being pro size, and reading your pm gave me all the motivation in the world to make it happen.

I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong, so maybe the "top 3 in any gym" comment processed in my brain as "pro size" (which I would think top 3 would potentially mean "pro size") but regardless, it is what it is.

A year ago I believed it was all about genetics. Then 6 months ago after receiving a free kit of Rips from TP I started messing around with hgh. Now I personally believe anyone can get to be pro size with enough money and consistent drug usage, specifically hgh and slin.

 

[Tinyshrek]

Well I dont have the pm from that far back obviously so I can't prove otherwise. But I do know at that point in time, coming from you, it was one of the most motivational things anyone had said to me. I always thought I had no chance in hell at being pro size, and reading your pm gave me all the motivation in the world to make it happen.

I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong, so maybe the "top 3 in any gym" comment processed in my brain as "pro size" (which I would think top 3 would potentially mean "pro size") but regardless, it is what it is.

A year ago I believed it was all about genetics. Then 6 months ago after receiving a free kit of Rips from TP I started messing around with hgh. Now I personally believe anyone can get to be pro size with enough money and consistent drug usage, specifically hgh and slin.

Ofcourse you can get "pro size" you just won't have their shape,proportions, bone structure, aesthetics, lines, symmetry OH YEAH but you will be big as a house

 

[Elvia1023]

This thread changed fast. Where do I start. I have to say people were talking about pro size not looking like a pro. I think most could do that... not everyone. Some would look like shit but still be huge. Genetics is everything. I can't see why that is argued.. ok we are not being exact... doesn't mean your bi-ceps have to be 22 inches etc... basically walk down the street and people think wtf he is huge big... that is attainable for most with lots of quality food, drugs, effort and time.

We all know pro's are only pro due to their genetics. The drugs and hardwork got them there. But without their genetic shape and responce to drugs they would be nothing. The key is consistency with everything... years upon years of doing things right. But at the same time it all comes down to genetics... we see that in pics of pro's at young ages. This is obvious but many still argue about it.

Sliced is spot on about giving certain people all the best stuff and they would look incredible. I am not stating they would win big shows but this is obvious again. But as FF stated some simply don't have it regardless of the drugs they take.

What really annoys me is DC posts now. DC I agree with everything you state at the same time. I don't think your lying etc... but you just have a way of not telling the full story. You start a tirade when someone posts like this providing pics of genetics elites and stating most couldn't acheive that or anywhere close. I don't think anyone is arguing that with you... all abit pointless.

I have ridiculously shit genetics compared to Cedric.. not even on the same chart. He could take 500mg test and look better than I ever could look. No one doubts these things. You act like everyone against your opinion is part of the drugs crew and doesn't believe in genetic elites. I believe you! But you write like all your guys are so different than other pro's. You basically bullshit and don't provide the whole truth. I like you and have learnt so much from you so thank you for that. But when you start going on about this stuff I know I am not the only one who gets annoyed.

So what some of your guys have a break off season... 400mg test and some gh... that isn't unbelievable.. makes sense. But they are still abusing themselves just like other pros cos they do everything it takes to win. One of yor guys screams abuse. Plus we are not doubting they look amazing and next to us we are nothing. We are not doubting we could take 4g and look bad compared to them. But you write like all your guys superman and don't need to abuse... lies... fairytale. Don't get me wrong I know the are obvious reasons why you can't but to me it just makes me laugh. Like someone on 3g who cruises on 400mg and gets asked if he uses... yeah 400mg weekly I use. Some of your guys can maintain ok on 400mg and some gh cos they blasted huge amounts to get to their size in the first place. Rant over... just annoys me.

Fairytale is a good term.

 

[tri-terror]

I think there is a disconnect between what we think "pro size" means. I think a lot of people believe that if they get their weight up to 280 and are lean that that is pro size. Well yeah sure in terms of weight, but weight isn't the be all end all marker of size.

There is this this 40 something year old black dude at my gym(I thought he was late 20's until very recently) that has bigger arms and a bigger chest than I do right now. He is a fucking BUCK SIXTY FIVE. And I highly doubt he's ever touched an anabolic, lifting is just something he likes to do.

So like Dante was saying take one of us gym rats from this site that is say 240 to 250 at less than 10% and stand us next to Dave Henry or another pro that is the same weight off season. BIG fucking difference for the vast majority of us I would reckon.

What's Bboy up to offseason 230? 240? He would absolutely DWARF me at the same weight. If he hit a lat spread in front of me the only part of me youd be able to see is my head over the top of his

 

[Elvia1023]

One last thing richiec your a good guy but you must also be a fairly wealthy good guy To say anyone could afford to take all the good stuff cos they want it so bad is ridiculous. Most of my cycles are 1g range. Now on 1.05g test abd 400mg deca. Next cycle cutting will be 500mg total... if I competed it would be 2g etc. Anyway just showing they are typical doses... nothing silly... I can barely afford that. Lots of expenses etc out I struggle.

Just ordered 500IU and got it today... like xmas morning as a kid for me. But even if you added another $500 per month on me... that wouldn't even cover legit gh. Bodybuilding is a very expensive sport if you want to go far. This is the reason you see some many guys (pros included) jump up in weight/size once they get a good job or sponsorship. They basically went out and ordered lots of quality gh and more gear than they ever tried before.

 

[jay_dub]

Ofcourse you can get "pro size" you just won't have their shape,proportions, bone structure, aesthetics, lines, symmetry OH YEAH but you will be big as a house

Yeah man obviously, hasnt the past 5 pages of this thread been a big debate over "pro size"??

It seems a lot of you are misunderstanding this whole "pro size" thing. I certainly don't believe ANYONE can be of "pro status". Like bboy, ross, and others have stated already in this thread, they simply dont have the structure to become a pro.

Dante stated not everyone could be pro SIZE, Big A has always stated everyone can, so I decided to chime in since it seems like SL1CED always gets attacked when he posts his thoughts on how he believes Big A on the matter.

Anyway....


:food-:mil