Big A and other pros collaboration?

[suparay]

Brad, are there any pro's on Olympia stage that doesnt take slin?

Good question BC

 

[Gunsmith]

Brad, are there any pro's on Olympia stage that doesnt take slin?

Toney Freeman said he hasent used slin in over 12 years

 

[suparay]

Imma doubt that gs he's one of the biggest

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

What would stop a pro from using insulin?

 

[Elvia1023]

What would stop a pro from using insulin?

Same reasons that would stop anyone taking it. But obviously most know it is needed to get far so have to take it and do so in huge amounts. I am sure there are many who don't take huge amounts but obviously will take boatloads of aas and gh. Everyone has their limits but unfortunately bodybuilding in the US is chemical warfare these days... so you got to do what is necessary. Genetics is a given cos there are obviously many who take just as much but look nowhere as good.

 

[richiec]

Same reasons that would stop anyone taking it. But obviously most know it is needed to get far so have to take it and do so in huge amounts. I am sure there are many who don't take huge amounts but obviously will take boatloads of aas and gh. Everyone has their limits but unfortunately bodybuilding in the US is chemical warfare these days... so you got to do what is necessary. Genetics is a given cos there are obviously many who take just as much but look nowhere as good.

It's not limited to the US Elvia! We've had plenty of guys say that peeps in other countries are boatloading drugs, just different ones

 

[jp2007]

Same reasons that would stop anyone taking it. But obviously most know it is needed to get far so have to take it and do so in huge amounts. I am sure there are many who don't take huge amounts but obviously will take boatloads of aas and gh. Everyone has their limits but unfortunately bodybuilding in the US is chemical warfare these days... so you got to do what is necessary. Genetics is a given cos there are obviously many who take just as much but look nowhere as good.

Shit, everyone I have talked to says guys in europe and overseas make american cycles look like a cruise.

 

[TNH]

The high slin/GH look is so different than the high AAS alone look.
I know everyone has their own ideas, but to me personally, I feel I can tell who is on slin/GH and who isn't in a heartbeat.
Every Olympia competitor has the slin/GH look to me.
Alexi Lesukov is an example of an amateur who has that same look, IMO.

Obvious high slin/GH
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Similar look in someone that hasn't had as much time with it(IMO) but will get there eventually....
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Many of the IFBB world's competitors that are lighter weight have that high AAS without slin look, like Touri Mohammed.
These guys look more like classic BB'ers, who we already know did not use slin/GH.

Those guys look to me like high AAS use, similar to the classics....
I suspect there may be some GH use, but I doubt slin. If there is, I think doses are much lower.

The look of high AAS, before slin and GH came into the picture
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[BigNShredded]

The high slin/GH look is so different than the high AAS alone look.
I know everyone has their own ideas, but to me personally, I feel I can tell who is on slin/GH and who isn't in a heartbeat.
Every Olympia competitor has the slin/GH look to me.
Alexi Lesukov is an example of an amateur who has that same look, IMO.

Obvious high slin/GH
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Similar look in someone that hasn't had as much time with it(IMO) but will get there eventually....
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Many of the IFBB world's competitors that are lighter weight have that high AAS without slin look, like Touri Mohammed.
These guys look more like classic BB'ers, who we already know did not use slin/GH.

Those guys look to me like high AAS use, similar to the classics....
I suspect there may be some GH use, but I doubt slin. If there is, I think doses are much lower.

The look of high AAS, before slin and GH came into the picture
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YESSS!!!I AGREE 10000%!! My EXACT theory on the case!

 

[muhkuh123]

current Mr.O competitors won't shrink that fast w/o Slin/HGH I think ...the only reason for that is that oil doesn't care about your GH/Slin intake ...synthol will last a bit longer ...and fuck yeah the ppl mentioned above are FULL of it ...bis, tris, chest, back, quads, hams, calves ...just everywhere and quite often damn obvious.

If there wasn't that much money involved (yeah I refer to corruption) I think judges should punish that way more often...

 

[FutureFreak]

Who gets bone dry anymore? Who looks paper-thin with fibers bursting through the skin?

Is it GH and SLIn and Peps or Not dieting as hard or both? How often do you the cross stiated triceps and sucked in inter-costals? Is it laziness or drug issues? Are the diuretics not as harsh?

Phil turned pro at 212 lbs --- I heard of course what he took was laughable and believe it to be true....I think Bboy was in that Jr Nationals the same yr,....

If GH and SLin in ecessive amounts is causing this "look" which to me looks like less stringent dieting and fullness --- why in the hell is being sought after?

I think everyone would agree the super dry look appears big on stage anyways and IMO more impressive.

I think we might be name on 1 hand 5 pros whom display that granite look current day....maybe...

-FF

 

[Elvia1023]

I should have rephrased that. I totally agree. I live in the UK and have friends who live in Greece etc. I meant US guys have to be mass monsters to the point it is chemcal warfare... meaning gh and insulin. I know the arab guys take just as much... just not the levels of test the us guys seem to love. They abuse stimulants more than the us guys (from what I have heard and read)... things like t3, ephedrine, clen etc.

Europe seems to be abit of everything... depends where you live... some more like that arab nations others more westernized. The UK is more like the US. I have heard some mad stuff. Wales is a small country next to England and I have heard a few stories that would shock people. It's only down the motorway so you would think it would be exactly the same but most of the mad stories I have heard come from those parts. Stuff like putting various compounds into a 100ml jug and injecting 10ml per day... stuff like that is simply abuse and no thought has gone into it.

All of bodybuilding is chemical warfare these days... even natural bodybuilding

 

[Racepicks]

both BigA and b-boy have post here that explains it pretty well , you bust your ass with perfect diet and training then add AAS and HGH , if you stop growing add more food drugs and insulin

repeat as needed until you reach your goal , go broke or die

I agree with Gunsmith. I don't think you'll find a much better thread, on ANY board, then b-boys "some thoughts" thread. Like tri-terror said, too bad there are not more contributions from the "Big Boys" instead of the 22 year old Jersey Shore wannabe's.

 

[Elvia1023]

Who gets bone dry anymore? Who looks paper-thin with fibers bursting through the skin?

Is it GH and SLIn and Peps or Not dieting as hard or both? How often do you the cross stiated triceps and sucked in inter-costals? Is it laziness or drug issues? Are the diuretics not as harsh?

Phil turned pro at 212 lbs --- I heard of course what he took was laughable and believe it to be true....I think Bboy was in that Jr Nationals the same yr,....

If GH and SLin in ecessive amounts is causing this "look" which to me looks like less stringent dieting and fullness --- why in the hell is being sought after?

I think everyone would agree the super dry look appears big on stage anyways and IMO more impressive.

I think we might be name on 1 hand 5 pros whom display that granite look current day....maybe...

-FF

I personally feel it is abit of everything. Those guys are less concerned with weight (in most cases). They try to get as shredded as possible. The US guys try and get as big as possible whilst being ripped... big difference. I would also say the Arab guys train alot harder in regards to volume and then you have drug choices. Little to no test is used during the whole prep whereas it's a stable with US guys. They use huge amounts of t3, ephedrine, clen etc. The same prinicples apply with drug use at the end of prep but that means little in the grand scheme.

Then you have diet... they are far more extreme again... not as much concern with keeping every pound possible and more to get in the ideal condition. Then diuretic usage... again more extreme but there are always exceptions... fact is all top bodybuilders all over the globe abuse most things. I simply think their whole bodybuilding philosophy is completely different. I think they look the best if I were generalizing... but we all love our mass monsters

 

[jp2007]

Do you think that look is from the GH, or the Insulin? The americanized look that is.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I'm willing to bet Touri uses HGH but drops it well before competitions in order to be in that condition. He is also huge, not just peeled

 

[Bem90]

I would say it is far more from high amounts of GH, we saw guys using lower amounts of GH in the 90's take Milos for example, he used high slin, but his look is not like today's look. The more GH the fuller/rounder you are but with that comes water.

 

[Bem90]

I have a buddy who was a german bodybuilder who works at the small local supp shop I go to. He met Branch Warren when the shop was promoting the local bodybuilding show here and spent the day with him. Branch said he uses between 12 iu GH at the lowest and 20 at the highest depending on the time of the year. He said bodybuilding is all about GH today, he said he hates AAS and he'd throw it all out if he could. This was back 2006 too I believe so who knows if his use is higher now.

 

[Shelby]

World Amateur Championships = weight classes
IFBB Pro shows = Open (other than 202/212, and those guys typically display some pretty awesome conditioning, arguably better than the open)

 

[Elvia1023]

World Amateur Championships = weight classes
IFBB Pro shows = Open (other than 202/212, and those guys typically display some pretty awesome conditioning, arguably better than the open)

Exactly. They are gonna be competing next to similar people (weight). They don't mind losing weight cos they can just enter a different weight category. But obviously they still want to be big. Whereas in the IFBB Pro shows if your 220 your pretty fucked cos your against guys 50 pounds heavier at times. So many guys are a really nice 220 or so... therefore stuck between a rock and a hard place The 212 division is a nice addition but it would be good to see 232 for example (imo).