Big Paul just a cranky old man anymore?

[Brock456]

I'm not a fan of Paul, he doesn't have much to offer, especially since he hasn't really been through much in this sport...

BUT I always look at things from a different perspective.

I respect him for the fact that he had a vision for himself and found a way to make money from it.

You could really argue that he did NOT really find his OWN way since a lot of what he contributes is stuff he gained from Justin.

His whole coaching platform is based on what he received from Justin coaching him with the carb cycling.

Also a lot of Paul’s content is structured to new beginners lifting - “my experience on tren, dbol, etc.”

I don’t have any opinion on the guy. I find him boring to listen to.

 

[BLKGUY2006]

I’m just here to complain about the people complaining about the man who complains.

I’m also just here to be negative and upset because someone is saying things I don’t agree with. He says things on YouTube, which is great for me because i plan to use that as extra fuel when i call him “some stupid YOUTuber!”

What sized soap box is everyone using? Mine’s medium, but I hope to buy a large someday when my accomplishments amount to something worthy of speaking about. Finger crossed.

lol complaining is contagious isn’t it? It happens at work all the time then we all start laughing because we’re bitching about things we can’t control it must be in the human DNA? Now that would make a good YouTube channel. Why our human DNA makes us complain.

 

[OldManLogan]

lol complaining is contagious isn’t it? It happens at work all the time then we all start laughing because we’re bitching about things we can’t control it must be in the human DNA? Now that would make a good YouTube channel. Why our human DNA makes us complain.

Honestly, it’s probably an evolutionary survival trait- and complaining and not being complacent is the reason innovation never ends- because as humans, we complain about crap- but then we work through the issue and come up with a solution.

If we weren’t wired like that, we’d still be naked and living in caves, cold and eating raw meat. But I guess at least we wouldn’t be bitching about it

 

[juiceball44]

I randomly popped into one of his live streams once and he was showing a copy of his clients diet spreadsheet, which was nearly identical to Justin's. I didn't mean anything negative or critical, but I commented "you can really see the influence Justin's coaching has had on you" and he got extremely defensive.

Yeah i hope justin is at least getting a cut of his coaching. They seem to still be friendly and he’s blatantly copying him so only way it would make sense

 

[KingOfSushi]

When he was bodybuilding his content was pretty ok but repetitive like everyone else has said. The vlogs and stuff I would watch and I feel like his live show used to have better guests. Roman was regular, AJ would come on. The people he gets now as his regulars just are uninteresting and they talk like they’re authorities on bodybuilding.

With his injuries and surgery and everything he’s no longer bodybuilding so 100% of the content is now just regurgitating what he’s already said which he mostly bit from Justin. But it’s diet and training talk from someone who’s eating McDonald’s not training so it’s just irrelevant to me.

Even when bodybuilding I think if he actually had stayed on diet, done his cardio, and was consistent with his training and shots in the offseason his transformation could’ve been even more impressive.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Just my 2 cents- and for the record and transparency, I’ve worked with Paul on more than a few occasions and projects, and consider him a friend and mentor.

I’m just a guy, trying to learn more about bodybuilding, fitness etc and share what I can on my podcast/ instagram etc. Paul was kind enough to help me, guest and collaborate on stuff, and share his insights and experience, for absolutely zero personal gain- simply because he could. I’ve always found him to be tough but also friendly and fair. He has offered advice and assistance on many occasions, unprompted- in my experience, an absolutely rock solid individual with great character and principles.

Of course, none of us will ever agree 100% with each other, but whenever we have had a disagreement, it’s turned into a healthy debate, never a pissing contest- and I honestly can’t recall a single incident where I would say he was narcissistic, condescending or disrespectful- quite the contrary.

I absolutely understand that the content we put out there as content creators is not everyone’s cup of tea always, and people are passionate especially with the topics and activities they love- but my point is that I believe he is a straight shooting person of good character, and in no way do I see any intention to mislead or misrepresent what he believes- and that to me, that goes a long way.

Similarly with Todd, I also feel we’ve become friends, and I know his personality certainly rubs a lot of people the wrong way- but I also think he truly believes in what he puts out there- it’s just his style is far more direct and confrontational than mine- but again, I don’t detect malice or ill intent- and I’m ok with agreeing to disagree with people as we explore topics and hopefully learn more.

Anyway, my 2 cents. It does take a LOT for me to dislike a person, to be fair. You have to do some actively negative stuff for me to write someone off.

I don’t think Paul is a bad person whatsoever. I have met him and he was incredibly kind.

My opinion on him I stated are purely on him as a bodybuilder/content creator

 

[Swifto]

If you dont like what someone says on social media, dont follow/watch them.

It's that simple.

Why put yourself through the misery?

 

[KingOfSushi]

Honestly, it’s probably an evolutionary survival trait- and complaining and not being complacent is the reason innovation never ends- because as humans, we complain about crap- but then we work through the issue and come up with a solution.

If we weren’t wired like that, we’d still be naked and living in caves, cold and eating raw meat. But I guess at least we wouldn’t be bitching about it

Creating opinions is inevitable. When a content creator many of us enjoyed and respected starts going south, I don’t see why it’s shocking to discuss it with likeminded people who can relate to your thoughts.

 

[alfresco]

I'm not a fan of Paul, he doesn't have much to offer, especially since he hasn't really been through much in this sport...

BUT I always look at things from a different perspective.

I respect him for the fact that he had a vision for himself and found a way to make money from it.

The best part is that people like him genuinely don't care whether you like them or not, whether you enjoy their content or not.

They're meant to attract a specific target audience – their goal is to live well for themselves, not for others.


I'll never understand this kind of passive-aggressive attitude either.

If I don't like someone or I disagree with their approach/methods/personality, I simply stop following them and forget about them. Literally forget.

Less tension, more chill – let's not go crazy... it's just the internet. No one cares what we think about each other..

Family, money, being happy and healthy -> no more no less
---
Once i asked mod to delete thread i made

He replied

"The dogs bark but the caravan keeps moving"

And this is so true..

Wow. Somebody actually remembers what I said

 

[KingOfSushi]

If you dont like what someone says on social media, dont follow/watch them.

It's that simple.

Why put yourself through the misery?

When there was the large liver king thread, everyone shared their negative opinions and I doubt anyone here consumed his content. Really the only reason this topic of “why the complaining” is happening is because there’s differing opinion.

People share their opinions and thoughts. It’s humans. There’s no “gossip” going on imo, just people discussing the changing online character of someone they one followed and enjoyed watching their content.

 

[Brock456]

It’s an anonymous bodybuilding forum. One of the largest around. That’s what we do on forums is discuss bodybuilding topics and bodybuilders. Lol
Nothing wrong with it.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

lol complaining is contagious isn’t it? It happens at work all the time then we all start laughing because we’re bitching about things we can’t control it must be in the human DNA? Now that would make a good YouTube channel. Why our human DNA makes us complain.

100%

 

[rAJJIN]

I think it would be pretty difficult to be a content creator” or try to stay relevant by creating good content.
If that’s your main source of income would make it even more stressful to where you had to “force it”

I guess the only you tuber I have ever enjoyed watching was John Meadows.
He always seemed genuine.
Others I catch some bits and pieces, use what I think can apply and discard the rest.

Also, for me personally as I get older no doubt I am at times grumpier, or less patient for stupidity.

 

[OldManLogan]

I think it would be pretty difficult to be a content creator” or try to stay relevant by creating good content.
If that’s your main source of income would make it even more stressful to where you had to “force it”

I guess the only you tuber I have ever enjoyed watching was John Meadows.
He always seemed genuine.
Others I catch some bits and pieces, use what I think can apply and discard the rest.

Also, for me personally as I get older no doubt I am at times grumpier, or less patient for stupidity.

Fun fact, as we age, the frontal lobe degenerates, it’s a part of our brain that deals with self editing or inhibiting certain socially unacceptable behaviors and impulse control… basically a biological IDGAF switch gets thrown- which partly explains the “grumpy old man” stereotype.

 

[aDw32]

Also, for me personally as I get older no doubt I am at times grumpier, or less patient for stupidity.

But this also comes with a kind of maturity and wisdom that doesn’t allow you to cry or complain about it. You just let it go, with zero emotion

 

[Sectør]

I think it would be pretty difficult to be a content creator” or try to stay relevant by creating good content.
If that’s your main source of income would make it even more stressful to where you had to “force it”

I guess the only you tuber I have ever enjoyed watching was John Meadows.
He always seemed genuine.
Others I catch some bits and pieces, use what I think can apply and discard the rest.

Also, for me personally as I get older no doubt I am at times grumpier, or less patient for stupidity.

always loved meadows content as well. Really an outside the box thinker, always coming up with new, useful* excersises and training philosophies and the videos and content felt natural, not forced.

Good dude with a brilliant mind and a love for training, who unfortunately went too soon

 

[aDw32]

You could really argue that he did NOT really find his OWN way since a lot of what he contributes is stuff he gained from Justin.

His whole coaching platform is based on what he received from Justin coaching him with the carb cycling.

Also a lot of Paul’s content is structured to new beginners lifting - “my experience on tren, dbol, etc.”

I don’t have any opinion on the guy. I find him boring to listen to.

Okay… but let’s look at it from a different perspective. Take the academic world, for example. There are talented individuals who come up with their own research topics, conduct studies, and prove their own theories.


Now let’s consider the fact that we might not have that kind of talent - we graduate from university... So does that mean we’re not allowed to earn money from the knowledge that was passed on to us by our professors and mentors?


After all, it’s their knowledge they shared with us, we didn’t discover it ourselves. And what’s more, 95% of them had their own mentors too...

I really have no issue with someone who’s educated and knows how to market themselves.

 

[Brock456]

Okay… but let’s look at it from a different perspective. Take the academic world, for example. There are talented individuals who come up with their own research topics, conduct studies, and prove their own theories.


Now let’s consider the fact that we might not have that kind of talent - we graduate from university... So does that mean we’re not allowed to earn money from the knowledge that was passed on to us by our professors and mentors?


After all, it’s their knowledge they shared with us, we didn’t discover it ourselves. And what’s more, 95% of them had their own mentors too...

I really have no issue with someone who’s educated and knows how to market themselves.

There’s a difference between being taught something in school and passing that knowledge on to others and how Paul basically is using Justin’s coaching platform as his own and parroting the same information.

 

[aDw32]

There’s a difference between being taught something in school and passing that knowledge on to others and how Paul basically is using Justin’s coaching platform as his own and parroting the same information.

i'm not familiar with this so maybe that's why i don't see anything bad

but still, f*ck it just let it go

 

[SABAGOY]

I think it would be pretty difficult to be a content creator” or try to stay relevant by creating good content.
If that’s your main source of income would make it even more stressful to where you had to “force it”

I guess the only you tuber I have ever enjoyed watching was John Meadows.
He always seemed genuine.
Others I catch some bits and pieces, use what I think can apply and discard the rest.

Also, for me personally as I get older no doubt I am at times grumpier, or less patient for stupidity.

John’s content is different though, so much of it is him displaying his teachings in the gym…I bet if John was strictly doing talking head videos 5 days a week, he would have gone stale and jumped the shark too…it’s brutally difficult to be a content creator without resorting to saying the same thing over and over, just in a bunch of different ways, to get content out.