Thanks for reply BigKiwi, i ask this because i had a friend that said he gained 25 muscular lbs. with low bf gain in a 6 week period of using cell-tech and insulin at 10iu's post workout, I have thought about doing an experiment with insulin and dextrose/creatine post workout 2-3 times a week, i guess what i am getting at is does insulin in your opinion have a big enough anabolic effect for this to promote gains? If so what issues should i be concerned, say doing a cycle of insulin 10iu postworkout with dextrose/creatine 2-3 times a week with a lower dosage of clen since going to be clean during this period. I know i am new here but have been banging around on the boards for about 6 years now and have about the same experience with as but just getting in the mix of insulin use and such...i would like to find a good benefit so one would not have to be concerned such with legal issues..thanks!