Blasts from the past- remember these??

[hawkmoon]

I think one thing people forget is, a lot of their amazing responses to their first bottle of these drugs was when they were younger, fresh, first time responding to AAS as well. Even if they got a hold of that amazing drug from the "good old day" now, they might not get the same effect as they did when they were at a time of their lifting life where gains were "fresh".

I think there is truth to the 'young responder' effect, but we are entirely mistaken to simply dismiss this with a reductive 'a molecule is a molecule' argument. That only works in a theoretical vacuum.

There are clear, material reasons why today's gray-market AAS can be biologically inferior. They are manufactured without GMP compliance, leading to structural failures that standard lab tests completely miss: unreacted chemical impurities, poor solid-state crystal polymorphism that ruins oral absorption, over-saturated harsh solvents that trigger systemic immune responses, and sloppy esterification that destabilizes blood serum levels.

This isn't just me dumping on underground labs; even multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical corporations fail when they take shortcuts with the delivery matrix.

For instance, I shared before the infamous Teva generic Wellbutrin XL scandal proved that using a cheap, alternative time-release coating caused 'dose dumping', the active molecule was identical, but the delivery mechanism was broken, rendering the drug dangerous and ineffective.

Historically, the Thalidomide disaster showed the catastrophic reality of ignoring spatial chemistry and molecular orientation (chirality).

The underground labs supplying the market today prioritize speed of manufacture, high solvent loads to force cheap raws into suspension, and cost optimization above all else. They operate with zero regulatory oversight, zero bio-assays, and absolutely no biological accountability.

 

[Mufasa123]

I think there is truth to the 'young responder' effect, but we are entirely mistaken to simply dismiss this with a reductive 'a molecule is a molecule' argument. That only works in a theoretical vacuum.

There are clear, material reasons why today's gray-market AAS can be biologically inferior. They are manufactured without GMP compliance, leading to structural failures that standard lab tests completely miss: unreacted chemical impurities, poor solid-state crystal polymorphism that ruins oral absorption, over-saturated harsh solvents that trigger systemic immune responses, and sloppy esterification that destabilizes blood serum levels.

This isn't just me dumping on underground labs; even multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical corporations fail when they take shortcuts with the delivery matrix.

For instance, I shared before the infamous Teva generic Wellbutrin XL scandal proved that using a cheap, alternative time-release coating caused 'dose dumping', the active molecule was identical, but the delivery mechanism was broken, rendering the drug dangerous and ineffective.

Historically, the Thalidomide disaster showed the catastrophic reality of ignoring spatial chemistry and molecular orientation (chirality).

The underground labs supplying the market today prioritize speed of manufacture, high solvent loads to force cheap raws into suspension, and cost optimization above all else. They operate with zero regulatory oversight, zero bio-assays, and absolutely no biological accountability.

Similarly - I may have referenced it earlier but there is an ADHD medication where binder in generic version - inert but for some reason - causes some very odd behavioral reactions in a minority of patients when used with active ingredient. It's documented snd confirmed but I think it's like 5%. Glad they told me because when he was young it happened to my son. He was in the group that needed to be named brand only.

I will say though that in most all cases the fond memories are a combination of youth, much lower development levels, sensativty, and the known tendency to remember and over weight/exaggerate a good memory while osuedo suppressing bad ones.

To my great syntex anadrol memory - I'd often use it in non-anadrol focused cycles as an ancillary compound. Even at 1/4 of a 50mg pill, it made a very noticeable difference in my cycles - look and recovery (between sets and workout to workout). Let's just say it's a totally different drug today and I don't get that even at 50mg. Is what it is but it is a great memory!

 

[hawkmoon]

Similarly - I may have referenced it earlier but there is an ADHD medication where binder in generic version - inert but for some reason - causes some very odd behavioral reactions in a minority of patients when used with active ingredient. It's documented snd confirmed but I think it's like 5%. Glad they told me because when he was young it happened to my son. He was in the group that needed to be named brand only.

I will say though that in most all cases the fond memories are a combination of youth, much lower development levels, sensativty, and the known tendency to remember and over weight/exaggerate a good memory while osuedo suppressing bad ones.

To my great syntex anadrol memory - I'd often use it in non-anadrol focused cycles as an ancillary compound. Even at 1/4 of a 50mg pill, it made a very noticeable difference in my cycles - look and recovery (between sets and workout to workout). Let's just say it's a totally different drug today and I don't get that even at 50mg. Is what it is but it is a great memory!

Regarding that Anadrol, I think orals are particularly susceptible to polymorphism errors. Binders a problem as well.

 

[nothuman]

If a drug has the same chemical structure as another i don't see where it can be any different. Pharmaceutical grade vs non pharmaceutical grade, they are still the same chemical structure. Just the purity is the difference. As long as they are labeled correctly with the correct drug and not something else then they are the same drug.
If a drug worked better for me years ago then it is likely me that changed not the drug. Maybe my expectations are higher now. Or all the easy gains have already been made.

The last part of your post is what I came here to say

People were rookies back then so of course they had better gains from the same drugs. I had great gains from my first cycle of testosterone whereas now I don’t get results from the same dose. Yet, I am not going to claim testosterone used to be better back then just because my noob gains were better.

I also won’t say bench presses in gyms used to be more effective when I first started training since I gained more muscle but modern day bench presses now don’t work as well as they used to. lol

 

[powerrack]

I think there is truth to the 'young responder' effect, but we are entirely mistaken to simply dismiss this with a reductive 'a molecule is a molecule' argument. That only works in a theoretical vacuum.

There are clear, material reasons why today's gray-market AAS can be biologically inferior. They are manufactured without GMP compliance, leading to structural failures that standard lab tests completely miss: unreacted chemical impurities, poor solid-state crystal polymorphism that ruins oral absorption, over-saturated harsh solvents that trigger systemic immune responses, and sloppy esterification that destabilizes blood serum levels.

This isn't just me dumping on underground labs; even multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical corporations fail when they take shortcuts with the delivery matrix.

For instance, I shared before the infamous Teva generic Wellbutrin XL scandal proved that using a cheap, alternative time-release coating caused 'dose dumping', the active molecule was identical, but the delivery mechanism was broken, rendering the drug dangerous and ineffective.

Historically, the Thalidomide disaster showed the catastrophic reality of ignoring spatial chemistry and molecular orientation (chirality).

The underground labs supplying the market today prioritize speed of manufacture, high solvent loads to force cheap raws into suspension, and cost optimization above all else. They operate with zero regulatory oversight, zero bio-assays, and absolutely no biological accountability.

Good points, and all should be taken into consideration.

 

[bigpoppajr]

The good ole days

I remember the Omna's and Metanabol (Spelling??) from Poland in early to mid 90's! Plenty of WCW guys using them in Atl! IYKYK...

 

[Blackdream]

Blackdream, if you remember Bill Mougios you are as old as me.Lol...I used to get those SPA 2.5 Vars from him. That took me back.

Yes
That’s who I used to get them from, and also the Winstrol
He was amazing
He used to send me stuff before I even sent him payment
The government came down on him and shut his pharmacy down that he owned because he was sending stuff overseas

 

[A50#]

Similarly - I may have referenced it earlier but there is an ADHD medication where binder in generic version - inert but for some reason - causes some very odd behavioral reactions in a minority of patients when used with active ingredient. It's documented snd confirmed but I think it's like 5%. Glad they told me because when he was young it happened to my son. He was in the group that needed to be named brand only.

I will say though that in most all cases the fond memories are a combination of youth, much lower development levels, sensativty, and the known tendency to remember and over weight/exaggerate a good memory while osuedo suppressing bad ones.

To my great syntex anadrol memory - I'd often use it in non-anadrol focused cycles as an ancillary compound. Even at 1/4 of a 50mg pill, it made a very noticeable difference in my cycles - look and recovery (between sets and workout to workout). Let's just say it's a totally different drug today and I don't get that even at 50mg. Is what it is but it is a great memory!

Those Syntex 2902 tabs are where my love affair for Anadrol started. For years nothing made me bigger, stronger, faster than those Syntex tabs. I have had some solid other brands of Oxy over the years but those were my favorite.

 

[Blackdream]

Those Syntex 2902 tabs are where my love affair for Anadrol started. For years nothing made me bigger, stronger, faster than those Syntex tabs. I have had some solid other brands of Oxy over the years but those were my favorite.

Yeah, but there’s still people in this thread that say that certain brands are not different or any better
BULLSHIT!

 

[REVOLT-PEP]

Those Syntex 2902 tabs are where my love affair for Anadrol started. For years nothing made me bigger, stronger, faster than those Syntex tabs. I have had some solid other brands of Oxy over the years but those were my favorite.

Those 2902's were the bomb. There was some Syntex that came out of Mex back in the early 90's that were pink in foil pop out packs that were the bomb. I think there was 25 to a foil pack. My first run of those was 5 a day with a gram of Organon Sust weekly. I called that size pronto stack.

 

[A50#]

Those 2902's were the bomb. There was some Syntex that came out of Mex back in the early 90's that were pink in foil pop out packs that were the bomb. I think there was 25 to a foil pack. My first run of those was 5 a day with a gram of Organon Sust weekly. I called that size pronto stack.

I remember those. I never knew if they were actually pharma or just a solid copy of the original but regardless they were fantastic.

 

[Mufasa123]

I had some of the last 200mg/ml Organon US sold Deca Durabolin.Tiny vials, purple tops if memory serves me correctly (I think blue was 100mg/ml). It was the end of the US production and I had a pharmacy get them. They searched the entire regional distribution warehouses in the NE just to get enough to fill my script.

Also around that time was getting fresh back in US market BTG Anavar. Fuckers made a mint pressing tabs from cheap raws, paying to get it protected by law as reclassified under a new use (they defended it for years even trying to call a higher mg pill a whole new drug later), and charging our gvt and insurance system mega pricing for AIDS sufferers on what was a generic drug decades before. Fuck them for that. And for the record, the BTG var worked the same for me as UGL today. Was not special. Did fuck all hardly noticeable under 20mg ED. Just saying.

 

[claymore]

Those Syntex 2902 tabs are where my love affair for Anadrol started. For years nothing made me bigger, stronger, faster than those Syntex tabs. I have had some solid other brands of Oxy over the years but those were my favorite.

Those were straight

 

[WHACKER1]

This was the best Winstrol ever, yea it was low dose but it was elite Winny


What about B. Mougios from Greece?
Remember him?

What about Spa Anavar from Italy?
Again this was elite Var

What about Dan Duchaine?
Loved that guy, had some great knowledge

What about Underground Supplements??
That was my first message board back in 1996

...and o.l skouvara, Halden Helvacioglu....

 

[Big A]

Thai pinks were great. We also had paper orals. Mexican wooden key chains we would collect. Lol those were the days.

After chatting with Duchaine I suggested to Alin to make the paper so he created the Stealth Anabolic line. Later on, Redi-Cat created his whole business with those.

For those who think they are immune from LE - this is how far they go if they want you - DEA flew to Thailand (a country where he wasn't breaking any laws) to arrest Redi-Cat (an UK citizen who never stepped foot in the US) and took him on a plane with them back to the US and chucked him in an US prison for years. The Thai LE fully co-operated with the DEA, even though no laws were broken in Thailand.

And yes, the Synthex A-50 was the bomb - I still have an empty grey film container for nostalgia sakes.

 

[Hbone]

Yes old enough to remember all of that!

If they want ya................ well it sucks !

 

[chooch]

Wasn’t there also somebody way back in the day selling gear in like condiment packs? I’d never in a million years trust or use that so no first hand experience with it, but I seem to remember condiment packs also lol.

 

[dieselbuilder]

Wasn’t there also somebody way back in the day selling gear in like condiment packs? I’d never in a million years trust or use that so no first hand experience with it, but I seem to remember condiment packs also lol.

Alin did. The stealth packs or whatever he called them. I never got them from him. Just test e 250mg amps.

 

[monsterzombie666]

I remember the first time I got that thai dbol in... like a kid in a candy store!! Been a long time since I thought about those lol

Yess...fond memories

 

[specter]

After chatting with Duchaine I suggested to Alin to make the paper so he created the Stealth Anabolic line. Later on, Redi-Cat created his whole business with those.

For those who think they are immune from LE - this is how far they go if they want you - DEA flew to Thailand (a country where he wasn't breaking any laws) to arrest Redi-Cat (an UK citizen who never stepped foot in the US) and took him on a plane with them back to the US and chucked him in an US prison for years. The Thai LE fully co-operated with the DEA, even though no laws were broken in Thailand.

And yes, the Synthex A-50 was the bomb - I still have an empty grey film container for nostalgia sakes.

i believe they also was behind nukin British Dragon with ended with one owner takin his own life.