Blood Results-Kidneys

[xman280]

You are being emotional. Nobody wished you kidney failure. Heaven knows the world needs less dyalysis patients , not more. You are very upset seeing that you are in stage 3 kidney disease. I understand, denial and anger are part of the grieving process. Nobody is laughing at you and you are not alone.

That chart I posted is from my company and guess who came up with it? Nephrologists....you know kidney specialists. So your family practice doctors can tell you "oh don't worry your kidneys are not that bad." We get this all the time and people slide quickly in dyalysis when kidney issues are not aggressively treated my primary care doctor.

Family practice doctors are jacks of all trades but masters of NONE. This is why they routinely refer their patients to the specialists like nephrologists.

When I talk to my patients in their dyalysis chairs I don't shame them for their behavior that lead them.to that chair. No not at all. I hug them, cry with them and go over what we can do now for their kidney health.

I am here as a voice of reality of where steroids and hypertension will lead people and yes, that is through the stages of kidney disease until dyalysis and or death. People do not want to hear it. They want to blast and abuse their bodies thinking everything will be okay. I see the current trend with more and more steroid abusers paying for their behavior.

"denial and anger".... I think u need a psychiatrist , or even better spend some time in a psychiatric clinic....I can hook u up, my father is a psychiatrist, if u re in the area....
i dont even read your "essays' anymore, you are boring and stuck up....again..shut the fuc up and leave me alone, dont quote my posts and then respond with some ridiculous essay about my emotion etc, u frkn douche!

 

[Massive G]

I think he means well, and in some of his advice and experience is good to be exposed too, but he kinda of speaks from a judgemental stance/platform like he is above us, and that doesn't bode well round a hardcore bb'ing forum.

He asked to see my abs, way back when, so I need to make sure what angle to take the pic from to send him.

 

[little slice]

I think he means well, and in some of his advice and experience is good to be exposed too, but he kinda of speaks from a judgemental stance/platform like he is above us, and that doesn't bode well round a hardcore bb'ing forum.

he's also retarded, so there's that

 

[thethinker48]

You are being emotional. Nobody wished you kidney failure. Heaven knows the world needs less dyalysis patients , not more. You are very upset seeing that you are in stage 3 kidney disease. I understand, denial and anger are part of the grieving process. Nobody is laughing at you and you are not alone.

That chart I posted is from my company and guess who came up with it? Nephrologists....you know kidney specialists. So your family practice doctors can tell you "oh don't worry your kidneys are not that bad." We get this all the time and people slide quickly in dyalysis when kidney issues are not aggressively treated by primary care doctor.

Family practice doctors are jacks of all trades but masters of NONE. This is why they routinely refer their patients to the specialists like nephrologists.

When I talk to my patients in their dyalysis chairs I don't shame them for their behavior that lead them.to that chair. No not at all. I hug them, cry with them and go over what we can do now for their kidney health.

I am here as a voice of reality of where steroids and hypertension will lead people and yes, that is through the stages of kidney disease until dyalysis and or death. People do not want to hear it. They want to blast and abuse their bodies thinking everything will be okay. I see the current trend with more and more steroid abusers paying for their behavior.

If a person has completely healthy blood pressure and uses steroids, in your opinion will they still go into kidney failure?

You link steroids DIRECTLY to kidney failure, not the fact that a SIDE EFFECT of steroids is responsible for kidney failure. Sure tren might be more nephratoxic considering how androgen and harsh it is, but not everyone is running tren year round, hell some don't even run it precontest.

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[upeccmi]

You are being emotional. Nobody wished you kidney failure. Heaven knows the world needs less dyalysis patients , not more. You are very upset seeing that you are in stage 3 kidney disease. I understand, denial and anger are part of the grieving process. Nobody is laughing at you and you are not alone.

That chart I posted is from my company and guess who came up with it? Nephrologists....you know kidney specialists. So your family practice doctors can tell you "oh don't worry your kidneys are not that bad." We get this all the time and people slide quickly in dyalysis when kidney issues are not aggressively treated by primary care doctor.

Family practice doctors are jacks of all trades but masters of NONE. This is why they routinely refer their patients to the specialists like nephrologists.

When I talk to my patients in their dyalysis chairs I don't shame them for their behavior that lead them.to that chair. No not at all. I hug them, cry with them and go over what we can do now for their kidney health.

I am here as a voice of reality of where steroids and hypertension will lead people and yes, that is through the stages of kidney disease until dyalysis and or death. People do not want to hear it. They want to blast and abuse their bodies thinking everything will be okay. I see the current trend with more and more steroid abusers paying for their behavior.

Guy....I would much rather read your posts that comes from fact and experiences than some 20 something turd who has done nothing except took 3000 mgs of AAS, peptides, dnp and so forth to look like a glorified swimmer or a fat bloated pig. I do get why you are doing what you are doing, I have taken AAS for over 30 years now and did it all, always with the mind set that I was invincible. I have never taken any other drugs and do not drink, have been eating a healthy diet since I was a wrestler in my youth. While I am still somewhat healthy, I do have issues that can only be deduced as from my AAS usage. I never went very high, even when competing, so you are right in trying to help BUT....unless you have 6000 posts it seems people on here do not have respect for what they do not want to hear. They would rather listen to these young guys who have no experiences because it is what they want to hear at this point in their life.
My suggestion, tune out like I try to do. I read this forum because I hate watching the liberal BS on TV and sometimes I will chime in with my years of experiences to help but like you, seems to not want to be heard.

 

[xman280]

Guy....I would much rather read your posts that comes from fact and experiences than some 20 something turd who has done nothing except took 3000 mgs of AAS, peptides, dnp and so forth to look like a glorified swimmer or a fat bloated pig. I do get why you are doing what you are doing, I have taken AAS for over 30 years now and did it all, always with the mind set that I was invincible. I have never taken any other drugs and do not drink, have been eating a healthy diet since I was a wrestler in my youth. While I am still somewhat healthy, I do have issues that can only be deduced as from my AAS usage. I never went very high, even when competing, so you are right in trying to help BUT....unless you have 6000 posts it seems people on here do not have respect for what they do not want to hear. They would rather listen to these young guys who have no experiences because it is what they want to hear at this point in their life.
My suggestion, tune out like I try to do. I read this forum because I hate watching the liberal BS on TV and sometimes I will chime in with my years of experiences to help but like you, seems to not want to be heard.

it s not about the post numbers , i ve been juicing since age 18 (heavily) and im 35 now, i ve been a member here under different name since 2006 and lost the old acct email, which had 4 digit posts...this schmuck doesn't even know my eGFR and is talking about me having a kidney disease???? You see my point...?where did he even got that ..this psychopath start diagnosing everybody with a disease and keeps copying and pasting a table with number saying - what number of GFR equals what stage - one that is on absolutely every website for kidney health or diseases...this mook is completely outta order in head....HE is the swimmer's built, internet troll.....

 

[IsaacHaze1]

I know NTP comes off harshly sometimes. I used to get angry, like who the F does this guy think he is? But, for the most part, he is right. Sure having more muscle mass could cause creatinine to read higher. Working out the day or two prior to the test, could affect it as well. Bottom line, your kidneys are not working as well as they should be at 1.8 on a standard creatinine test. That is not up for debate. Try testing for Cystatin C. A nephrologist should know about it. It gives a more true reading for GFR. For example, my creatinine ranges from 2.2-2.6....which is not good at all. But when they tested for Cystatin C, my GFR was estimated at 54. Still a kidney cripple. but not dying. 600mgs of tren e is probably what did the damage. kidneys dont just "get better" over time. Think of it like a long last oil filter. Over time, eventually it is going to wear out. Because tren is so andorgenically strong, it stimulates the ARs in the kidney to work over time. Tren and oral steroids, in my opinion, do the most damage. If one was to stick to test, deca, eq (watch hemo #s) and gh...obviously while monitoring blood pressure, you will have much more longevity in the sport. As we know, orals are just transient gains. not worth it

 

[xman280]

I know NTP comes off harshly sometimes. I used to get angry, like who the F does this guy think he is? But, for the most part, he is right. Sure having more muscle mass could cause creatinine to read higher. Working out the day or two prior to the test, could affect it as well. Bottom line, your kidneys are not working as well as they should be at 1.8 on a standard creatinine test. That is not up for debate. Try testing for Cystatin C. A nephrologist should know about it. It gives a more true reading for GFR. For example, my creatinine ranges from 2.2-2.6....which is not good at all. But when they tested for Cystatin C, my GFR was estimated at 54. Still a kidney cripple. but not dying. 600mgs of tren e is probably what did the damage. kidneys dont just "get better" over time. Think of it like a long last oil filter. Over time, eventually it is going to wear out. Because tren is so andorgenically strong, it stimulates the ARs in the kidney to work over time. Tren and oral steroids, in my opinion, do the most damage. If one was to stick to test, deca, eq (watch hemo #s) and gh...obviously while monitoring blood pressure, you will have much more longevity in the sport. As we know, orals are just transient gains. not worth it

i m assuming ur GFR was 54? Because with creatinin of 2.2 and probably high BUN they would ve come with eGFR (not GFR) of probably 30, which on theory would ve make close for dialysis but realistically 54 shows some damage but most likely if u protect them you can live till 80 without having any issues or need for dialysis.

 

[xman280]

I know NTP comes off harshly sometimes. I used to get angry, like who the F does this guy think he is? But, for the most part, he is right. Sure having more muscle mass could cause creatinine to read higher. Working out the day or two prior to the test, could affect it as well. Bottom line, your kidneys are not working as well as they should be at 1.8 on a standard creatinine test. That is not up for debate. Try testing for Cystatin C. A nephrologist should know about it. It gives a more true reading for GFR. For example, my creatinine ranges from 2.2-2.6....which is not good at all. But when they tested for Cystatin C, my GFR was estimated at 54. Still a kidney cripple. but not dying. 600mgs of tren e is probably what did the damage. kidneys dont just "get better" over time. Think of it like a long last oil filter. Over time, eventually it is going to wear out. Because tren is so andorgenically strong, it stimulates the ARs in the kidney to work over time. Tren and oral steroids, in my opinion, do the most damage. If one was to stick to test, deca, eq (watch hemo #s) and gh...obviously while monitoring blood pressure, you will have much more longevity in the sport. As we know, orals are just transient gains. not worth it

i m assuming ur GFR was 54? Because with creatinin of 2.2 and probably high BUN they would ve come with eGFR (not GFR) of probably 30, which on theory would ve make close for dialysis but realistically 54 shows some damage but most likely if u protect them you can live till 80 without having any issues or need for dialysis.

 

[IsaacHaze1]

i m assuming ur GFR was 54? Because with creationist of 2.2 and probably high BUN they would ve come with eGFR (not GFR) of probably 30, which on theory would ve make close for dialysis but realistically 54 shows some damage but most likely if u protect them you can live till 80 without having any issues or need for dialysis.

I had a kidney transplant 4 yrs ago. did dialysis for a year. My creatinine will run high as a result. my creatinine equivalent was 1.7 when factoring in Cystatin C

 

[NGL34]

I had a kidney transplant 4 yrs ago. did dialysis for a year. My creatinine will run high as a result. my creatinine equivalent was 1.7 when factoring in Cystatin C

Thanks for sharing.


For you guys who have had transplant or dialysis how long and how much gear did you run? I'm run across some articles that state gear is nephrotoxic. I'm sure loads of solvents in these drugs like ba/bb may contribute to it as well.

 

[little slice]

gear is nephrotoxic. .

Ehh idk..


Maybe to some extent..

But it is estimated that millions of people in the US use steroids


I feel like we would be hearing a lot more about kidney failure


I mean Tom Prince abused painkillers and NSAIDS, that South African guy did everything wrong.. Flex Wheeler was spilling protein before he even touched a weight or a needle..

 

[xman280]

Thanks for sharing.


For you guys who have had transplant or dialysis how long and how much gear did you run? I'm run across some articles that state gear is nephrotoxic. I'm sure loads of solvents in these drugs like ba/bb may contribute to it as well.

no shit...benzyl benzoate at 20% is pure fkn poison...first time i brewed i use the "regular' recipes and was constantly feeling sick since i use several cc on a daily basis.."test flu" - my ass, there s no such thing as test flu from clean gear...i m way better with 50ml per cc with only 0.7%BA and 0%BB...i d rather shoot 10 cc ED than try to dissolve 250mg/ml and get that poison in my body....i seriously doubt ANY pharmaceutical company uses BB in hormones, especially at 20% - that s outrageous...
I also know some of the kidney damage MAY come from untreated high blood pressure, and high cholesterol on top of all meds....so yeah - ppl need to start treating high BP and take statins..i ve had high BP on and off since i started working out at age 16 but started treating it when i was 30, same with cholesterol, an di mean resting BP, I can only imagine what was during the day when i m moving or getting angry....

 

[goal245]

no shit...benzyl benzoate at 20% is pure fkn poison...first time i brewed i use the "regular' recipes and was constantly feeling sick since i use several cc on a daily basis.."test flu" - my ass, there s no such thing as test flu from clean gear...i m way better with 50ml per cc with only 0.7%BA and 0%BB...i d rather shoot 10 cc ED than try to dissolve 250mg/ml and get that poison in my body....i seriously doubt ANY pharmaceutical company uses BB in hormones, especially at 20% - that s outrageous...
I also know some of the kidney damage MAY come from untreated high blood pressure, and high cholesterol on top of all meds....so yeah - ppl need to start treating high BP and take statins..i ve had high BP on and off since i started working out at age 16 but started treating it when i was 30, same with cholesterol, an di mean resting BP, I can only imagine what was during the day when i m moving or getting angry....

The solvents are pretty harmless, many safety studies done on them. BB and BA are widely used in medicine and cosmetics, very common.

No one is getting kidney damage from the solvents, you probably eat more Benzyl based preservatives in food than you inject.

Benzyl benzoate has low acute toxicity in laboratory animals. It is rapidly hydrolyzed to benzoic acid and benzyl alcohol. Benzyl alcohol is subsequently metabolized to benzoic acid. The conjugates of benzoic acid are rapidly eliminated in urine.

 

[xman280]

The solvents are pretty harmless, many safety studies done on them. BB and BA are widely used in medicine and cosmetics, very common.

No one is getting kidney damage from the solvents, you probably eat more Benzyl based preservatives in food than you inject.

Benzyl benzoate has low acute toxicity in laboratory animals. It is rapidly hydrolyzed to benzoic acid and benzyl alcohol. Benzyl alcohol is subsequently metabolized to benzoic acid. The conjugates of benzoic acid are rapidly eliminated in urine.

u might be right , but I ve always felt sick when using gear with BB, I might be just sensitive to that, but i use high doses of human grade Omnas at lesat once a year for extended period of time - i buy em personally for Eastern European pharmacies...never gotten me sick....even when i m supposed to travel and be gone for a weeks or so and dont want to carry any injectables through customs (especially amps) i used to shoot 8-10 omnas the night before the flight so i dont have to worry about my test levels when i travel for a week or so...never made me sick...

 

[11111]

u might be right , but I ve always felt sick when using gear with BB, I might be just sensitive to that, but i use high doses of human grade Omnas at lesat once a year for extended period of time - i buy em personally for Eastern European pharmacies...never gotten me sick....even when i m supposed to travel and be gone for a weeks or so and dont want to carry any injectables through customs (especially amps) i used to shoot 8-10 omnas the night before the flight so i dont have to worry about my test levels when i travel for a week or so...never made me sick...

Hmm, you're the first person I've heard of who has had issues with BB. I know a lot of guys have problems with guaiacol and EO.

 

[xman280]

Hmm, you're the first person I've heard of who has had issues with BB. I know a lot of guys have problems with guaiacol and EO.

day one after 3 cc shot , felt ok, day 2 felt lethargic, another shot day 2, and day 3 feel pretty shitty and that keeps going on.....till i stop it and it takes a cpl of days to feel normal...never tried guiacol but was just planning to for some oil based winny, but now when u mentioned it..wont even try, i d rather make capsules...

 

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Got results back from my family doctor

BUN-----17mg/DL----range 7-25mg/DL

Creatine---1.3mg/DL----range 0.6-1.3mg/DL

EGFR----61----range >60

Glucose---105---range 70-99mg/DL

BUN/Creatine Ratio---13.08---range 6.00-25.00

Doctor did not have anything to say about my kidneys.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

Got results back from my family doctor

BUN-----17mg/DL----range 7-25mg/DL

Creatine---1.3mg/DL----range 0.6-1.3mg/DL

EGFR----61----range >60

Glucose---105---range 70-99mg/DL

BUN/Creatine Ratio---13.08---range 6.00-25.00

Doctor did not have anything to say about my kidneys.

Elated to hear and see your tests came out good and nothing to worry about. Keep it healthy boys and girls

 

[xman280]

Got results back from my family doctor

BUN-----17mg/DL----range 7-25mg/DL

Creatine---1.3mg/DL----range 0.6-1.3mg/DL

EGFR----61----range >60

Glucose---105---range 70-99mg/DL

BUN/Creatine Ratio---13.08---range 6.00-25.00

Doctor did not have anything to say about my kidneys.

what did you change meanwhile - diet -wise, training, gear?