Blood Test part2. Low test,dhea,etc...!!!!!!!!

Fullybuilt · Feb 2, 2005

Well, I got some more bloodwork back. Looks like im going on HRT at only 22years old LOL. Anyway, keep in mind im only on HGH during this blood test at only around 3iu's and the day of the test I only took .5iu 1hr b/f the test. Anyway, my last cycle ended Oct1st and PCT ended early Novemeber, so I should have been recovered by now. Last cycle was cycle #2 and was run for approx 14weeks with HCG and all the proper pct methods. Anyway here are my results
Total test was 270 and the range is 241-827
Free test was 13.2 and the range is 9.3 to 26.5
LH was 6 and the range was 1.5-9.3
FSH was 2.3 and range was 1.4-18.1
DHEA-sulfate was 235 and range was 280-640
SHBG was 13 and range was 13-71
Estradiol was 15 and range was 0-53 <54 for adult males

So as you can see my LH is awesome but everything else is in the normal range but on the very low end, except DHEA which is super low. I wonder how my test and FSH look low but my LH is high? Anyway, I always had a feeling my test was on the lower side ever since I Fuc$ed with PH's when I was 19. Looks like after I finish my cycle, i'll go on about 150mg cypionate forever

Gonna talk to the dr first. He gets back in 2 weeks and see what he thinks I should do. Although, I have built a pretty impressive physique these last few years on low test, so im really looking forward to seeing what happens when I have normal/high test

PHIL HERNON · Feb 2, 2005

I can tell you

Fullybuilt said:
Well, I got some more bloodwork back. Looks like im going on HRT at only 22years old LOL. Anyway, keep in mind im only on HGH during this blood test at only around 3iu's and the day of the test I only took .5iu 1hr b/f the test. Anyway, my last cycle ended Oct1st and PCT ended early Novemeber, so I should have been recovered by now. Last cycle was cycle #2 and was run for approx 14weeks with HCG and all the proper pct methods. Anyway here are my results
Total test was 270 and the range is 241-827
Free test was 13.2 and the range is 9.3 to 26.5
LH was 6 and the range was 1.5-9.3
FSH was 2.3 and range was 1.4-18.1
DHEA-sulfate was 235 and range was 280-640
SHBG was 13 and range was 13-71
Estradiol was 15 and range was 0-53 <54 for adult males

So as you can see my LH is awesome but everything else is in the normal range but on the very low end, except DHEA which is super low. I wonder how my test and FSH look low but my LH is high? Anyway, I always had a feeling my test was on the lower side ever since I Fuc$ed with PH's when I was 19. Looks like after I finish my cycle, i'll go on about 150mg cypionate forever Gonna talk to the dr first. He gets back in 2 weeks and see what he thinks I should do. Although, I have built a pretty impressive physique these last few years on low test, so im really looking forward to seeing what happens when I have normal/high test

You wont see any difference at 150 mg per week.

Fullybuilt · Feb 2, 2005

Heres a little cycle history if this helps:

1st cycle was Nov 03. Did test 500mg Eq400mg for 12weeks. Halfway through cycle ran HCG at 2500iu's and then 5days later 2500iu's. Last week of cycle I did HCG at 3000iu,3000iu,2500iu,1500iu followed by proper clomid/nolva theropy. Took 4months off after pct and started cycle #2 which was 14weeks of test at 600mg 10weeks of eq at 400mg and 6weeks winny 50-100mg. Did the same HCG and PCT theropy as in cycle # one. PCT ended early this past November. A month before my very 1st cycle I got blood work done and they only tested my LH and free test. LH was normal but free test was in the normal range but just barely. Almost in the low range. I just did a contest and competed naturally in AUG 03 so I figured my test was still low from the extreme diet, but I guess I just always had low test. I did a couple 3week PH cycle's. Mild stuff like Mag 10,1ad etc.. Normal doses for only 2-3weeks at a time with legal PCT stuff. I did these when I was 19. From 16-20 I felt like an animial, but after 20 I could tell the libido was going downhill. Not what it used to be. I figure this either came with age or the PH's did it.

Big Ed · Feb 3, 2005

Hey bro i am on hrt and i take 200mg test cyp every week and that brought my test levels to 702. Before that i was around 260. I am your age as well.

Ed

Fullybuilt · Feb 3, 2005

Awesome. Maybe i'll try 220mg so i'll be at the very high end of the scale. Do you feel much better on HRT. HRT sound awesome, but the only thing that sucks is I may not be able to have kids. Especially since my FSH is somewhat low now. Maybe I should freeze some sperm just in case.

Big Ed · Feb 3, 2005

Yes my endo doc recomended i do the same. You will prob have some problems geting the doc to give you 200mg every week most like every 2-3 weeks(200mg).

Big Ed · Feb 3, 2005

and FYI while were on the topic of test levels i had my levels checked on 400mg test several weeks ago and that brought my levels to 1400.

Ed

Conan21 · Feb 3, 2005

Is HRT the only answer to this problem??

Snarf · Feb 3, 2005

Well your total test is low, but your free test (and that is what really counts) is average, probably due to your low SHBG levels. This is why you have been able to make decent gains even with border-line low total test values. As you age, your SHBG levels will rise and then your free test will decrease and you will have problems with gains.

[Free test is the testosterone that is not protein bound and is what is actually biologically active in your body. SHBG or Sex Hormone Bonding Globulin is basically the protein that "binds" up your test. So the more SHBG, the lower the free test]

Your FSH is not really clinically low, so for whatever reason, your body just seems to think a 270 total test is about right. I do disagree with Phil slightly that 150mg of test a week will make a difference. This is because at that dose, you will not shut down your endogenous test production, so it should bump your levels up to at least high-normal. You won't go to the Olympia on those levels, but you should notice improvements in recovery, sex drive, energy levels etc.

Hope this helps.

PHIL HERNON · Feb 3, 2005

Great info!!

Snarf said:
Well your total test is low, but your free test (and that is what really counts) is average, probably due to your low SHBG levels. This is why you have been able to make decent gains even with border-line low total test values. As you age, your SHBG levels will rise and then your free test will decrease and you will have problems with gains.

[Free test is the testosterone that is not protein bound and is what is actually biologically active in your body. SHBG or Sex Hormone Bonding Globulin is basically the protein that "binds" up your test. So the more SHBG, the lower the free test]

Your FSH is not really clinically low, so for whatever reason, your body just seems to think a 270 total test is about right. I do disagree with Phil slightly that 150mg of test a week will make a difference. This is because at that dose, you will not shut down your endogenous test production, so it should bump your levels up to at least high-normal. You won't go to the Olympia on those levels, but you should notice improvements in recovery, sex drive, energy levels etc.

Hope this helps.

Quality of life is what is important here. BBing does not always take center stage. I was speaking from a BBing perspective only, and personally, 200mg per week on HRT does not change my look at all. I admit, I do feel better however, and my total test levels were at 92. WHen I was competing back in 1996, my total test level was 4,833.

KillerStack · Feb 3, 2005

Snarf said:
Your FSH is not really clinically low, so for whatever reason, your body just seems to think a 270 total test is about right.

From what I've read the FSH and LH actually bounce back quickly after a cycle.The problem is at the testes.He needs more time off - it can take quite a while to resume normal production.

Jarconis · Feb 3, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
WHen I was competing back in 1996, my total test level was 4,833.

yeah, no wonder you couldn't put on any muscle...

Mako · Feb 4, 2005

Low Test

I am 28 had mine tested also and i was low. Mine was in the 170's and the Dr. said that is one reason I have a hard time dropping fat, but i have no problem putting on muscle and am not weak. I asked him how i got so big muscularly with low test, he didnt really have an answer. I am scrpited 200mg week of CYP basically for the rest of my life and I go in for blood tests every 8 weeks. Last time I went in i was at 1500 on test, he said i could either starting 100 mg a week or keep it where i am, i feel good taking 200 a week. As far as my history of use is extremly low, and used anti e's. I think i was naturally low and having low test is just as bad as having too high levels, lots of good info on the net about it. I am hoping for the best and working out hard and doing cardio after every workout and getting results on the fatloss finally.

Conan21 · Feb 4, 2005

3 qustions

Does your doctor feel your low test was caused by AS? I've heard that was a myth that your levels don't come back as good if your young. Granted, you probably don't need as at that age but why would you recover not as good?

Does you doc. know you were on? Could it be that you test just has not come back yet? since your LH is pretty good?

Does HRT start to become ineffective after a while just like how other drugs do? do you cycle HRT?

sorry for dumb questions, I need to know more about this though.

Fullybuilt · Feb 4, 2005

HRT is always effective. No need to up the dose b/c your body won't adapt to it. Just like your natural test will stay the same but eventually over time lower. With HRT it will never lower and always stay at whatever your giving it. I think my test has always been lower, but I havent talked to the doc yet. He is on vacation and will be back in a few days. Im making and apt and i'll let you know. I think my test is low and fsh,shgb,etc..is all screwed up due to my low dhea levels. I've been taking dhea at 50mg daily and noticed a big diff so who knows. I guess the doc will know.