Blood work of a pro

[flexdurden]

Though I love curcumin it will also thin your blood. I had to stop taking that and fish oils prior to surgery a few months back.

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They are cool with the curcumin. I've been taking in since 2013 so they just said continue.

I just got an ultrasound while in clinic so before adding anything we'll see the results of that.

If there isn't anything to worry about he said we can start to add in the fish oil slowly.

You don't take injectable glutathione? Seems you are the perfect candidate for it.

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No, I do not. What makes you say that?

 

[GreenTLB6]

In regards to dante's post on that particular brand of TUDCA. Last summer I was running Var at 50mg a day. Became extremely lethargic, couldn't eat, and felt like hell so I dropped it and researched some. I picked up that TUDCA a few weeks later and decided to give the Var a run at 50mg a day again. I was running the TUDCA at 500mg a day. Now I don't have any blood work to show but I had none of the symptoms I did that last time. Same Var, same dose, all other OTC and super supps were the same. Since then I have ran it one other time for 6 wks with the TUDCA and again no problem. I have a few bottles left and will prob make it a priority to see what's going on blood work wise. I use it daily at 250mg and 500mg while running orals.

 

[NY Muscle]

They are cool with the curcumin. I've been taking in since 2013 so they just said continue.

I just got an ultrasound while in clinic so before adding anything we'll see the results of that.

If there isn't anything to worry about he said we can start to add in the fish oil slowly.




No, I do not. What makes you say that?

You had something with regards to your liver? Sorry if I had that wrong but injectable glut is amazing for liver health.

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[Elvia1023]

Dev... Starflower (Borage Oil) is great and I would recommend that above Evening Primrose Oil.

Dante not sure what brand you are referring to. I have no blood work but I took LiverLock TUDCA and that was ok. I recently used Brawn Nutrition TUDCA and there was a massive difference. Within a few days my eyes went bright white and they haven't been like that since I last used synthegine. No blood work but a massive difference in how I felt on both brands.

 

[thehazzle]

NAC seems a fairly high dose specially when also using TUDCA. What brought you to using that amount?

 

[maldorf]

Right now I'm on an alternate dosing schedule, 2mg-1mg-2mg.... And so on.

How long I'll be on it has not been decided. Everything depends on how my bloodwork looks and scans and stuff come back.

They'll likely bump it up to 2mg/day today.

I'm going to bring up fish oil and see what they say. If they veto, I'm not going to use it on my own. I'm on do many meds I'm not trying to screw things up by taking something they don't think I'm using

I take Coumadin now daily for life, started back in 08 after my heart attack. It really is pretty easy to maintain your INR between 2 and 3 if you eat a consistent diet each day. Being a bodybuilder, having a consistent diet shouldn't be hard. They probably told you that things with a lot of vitamin K will lower your INR. If you drink much alcohol that will raise your INR. Ive been on 6mg/day now since 08.

 

[flexdurden]

I take Coumadin now daily for life, started back in 08 after my heart attack. It really is pretty easy to maintain your INR between 2 and 3 if you eat a consistent diet each day. Being a bodybuilder, having a consistent diet shouldn't be hard. They probably told you that things with a lot of vitamin K will lower your INR. If you drink much alcohol that will raise your INR. Ive been on 6mg/day now since 08.

I normally eat a lot of veggies, so I cut them back. My INR has been very consistent sine then ranging from 2.4-2.6.

Alcohol is out of the question, so no worries there.

The only meds I'll eventually be on for life are the anti rejection drugs and maybe a very low dose of prednisone

 

[maldorf]

I normally eat a lot of veggies, so I cut them back. My INR has been very consistent sine then ranging from 2.4-2.6.

Alcohol is out of the question, so no worries there.

The only meds I'll eventually be on for life are the anti rejection drugs and maybe a very low dose of prednisone

Sounds good. It would be nice to not have to take Coumadin for life. Sounds like everything is going to be good for you from now on. You have been through a lot and are stronger for it now.

 

[flexdurden]

Sounds good. It would be nice to not have to take Coumadin for life. Sounds like everything is going to be good for you from now on. You have been through a lot and are stronger for it now.

I've learned more about life through this process than anything else... You truly see what is and is not important and who really matters.

I also have amazing docs and a very patient wife... So I need to give them thanks as they deserve a lot of credit

 

[swedemiester77]

If I was worried about, I wouldn't be doing it.

NAC - 2g daily
TUDCA - 500mg 2x daily
curcumin - 1 Life Extension superbio curcumin cap per day
citrus bergamot - 2 x NOW cholesterol pro per day
fish oil - 4g daily
evening primrose oil - 2600mg daily
ubiquinol - 300mg daily
baby aspirin - 1 per day
glucosamine - 1500mg daily
vit D3 - 3,000ius daily
Vit K2 - 1 Life Extention Super K cap per day.

At what point should one worry about all of these supportive supplements hurting one's liver? I see a bunch of guys rattle off their supplement stack and their awesome blood tests... I am just the unlucky one?

I just got out of the hospital (for jaundice) after three weeks, and being transfered to a US well-known liver specialist team that basically said that all of these supplements may be doing the opposite and hurting our liver. So now, out of the hospital, they told me I can never take any of these OTC supportive supplements again (besides Vit D3).

Here I thought I was safe, or safer at least, taking my 15+ pills morning and night, donating blood routinely.

 

[spartan]

Great Read! Glad that I came across this very good information here on natural supplements that are available to help you stay healthy.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Ive used 3 brands of TUDCA: Olympus Labs, Premium Powders, and Antaeus Labs Aegis. Bloodwork on the Antaeus labs was perfect, but I did not get it on the other two brands. Subjectively I could tell the Premium Powders brand was off, so I switched to Olympus Labs to find a more economically viable option.

BINGO!

 

[Lenny]

Most will never believe me...but I always have the final say on my supps, less this year than last year...I was able to earn it. Even with a well known eyes and guider in my corner, knows I can get away with a lot less and we always chat it out...and we always squeezed the most out of it. Shelby, you are great example of what can be done with the body...its not easy, as we have to do all the other things right and over time we do get better!

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

At what point should one worry about all of these supportive supplements hurting one's liver? I see a bunch of guys rattle off their supplement stack and their awesome blood tests... I am just the unlucky one?

I just got out of the hospital (for jaundice) after three weeks, and being transfered to a US well-known liver specialist team that basically said that all of these supplements may be doing the opposite and hurting our liver. So now, out of the hospital, they told me I can never take any of these OTC supportive supplements again (besides Vit D3).

Here I thought I was safe, or safer at least, taking my 15+ pills morning and night, donating blood routinely.

im not getting on you but more of a question.....dont you have a kind of a long history of diet pills, diet drugs, multiple versions of oral pro hormones and things like anadrol and other oral compounds? And you dont think your liver problems were brought on by your longterm usage of those?

 

[Elvia1023]

At what point should one worry about all of these supportive supplements hurting one's liver? I see a bunch of guys rattle off their supplement stack and their awesome blood tests... I am just the unlucky one?

I just got out of the hospital (for jaundice) after three weeks, and being transfered to a US well-known liver specialist team that basically said that all of these supplements may be doing the opposite and hurting our liver. So now, out of the hospital, they told me I can never take any of these OTC supportive supplements again (besides Vit D3).

Here I thought I was safe, or safer at least, taking my 15+ pills morning and night, donating blood routinely.

I have said this for awhile. Some guys are literally taking over 50 pills a day and to me that is unhealthy not just physically but mentally in many ways. I have to add if the right ones are taken that can be a great thing. But some people definitely go overboard with things. But surely you used lots of aas etc?

I used to manage a supplement shop and I was the same then one day I literally counted 40 supps and thought to myself am I genuinely better off taking all of this. Even without health in the equation some of this stuff is very expensive so many could save yourself a few $hundred per month by cutting down.

I use a select few supplements that I think are benefitting me without going over the top and just keeping it simple. Things like citrus bergamot, liver support, multi vitamin and fish oil (I don't eat much fish). I am big on anti-oxidants but mainly get them from my diet now (various berries and greens).

Although you don't just get jaundice over night so what exactly were you taking? Were you taking lots of gear? Orals? Anyone taking synthergine and tudca (in cycles) is doing themselves a huge favour especially if they are using aas, fat burners and various supplements.

 

[BIGGMIKE295]

GREAT THREAD!

Great thread Shelby!
Thanks for sharing and good to see your so healthy!
Lots of good info here.

 

[Reno911]

BINGO!

Interesting that you brought this up. I have noticed my liver values have crept up again over the last 6 months even while using that brand of TUDCA. I get my labs done 4-6 weeks like clockwork and whenever I run TUDCA it keeps liver counts in check. I'm guessing as TUDCA has gotten more popular they possibly have had to switch or use an additional contract manufacturer which may be causing some quality control issues. I also noticed the last couple bottles I have run also use clear caps instead of the blue ones that they used for a long time (not that the cap color matters but just an interesting observation).

 

[Elvia1023]

im not getting on you but more of a question.....dont you have a kind of a long history of diet pills, diet drugs, multiple versions of oral pro hormones and things like anadrol and other oral compounds? And you dont think your liver problems were brought on by your longterm usage of those?

I don't know his history but I will say it's strange how guys stories often change when they get sick. I actually wrote this in mylast post but deleted it as I didn't want him to take it the wrong way. But as I mentioned jaundice doesn't just happen overnight. There was a guy in my old gym that said he had seen a liver specialist etc. To anyone educated on the subject his story didn't make sense. This went on for a long time. He was obviously on gear but used to say he was natural. He said he developed jaundice etc from his diet and otc supplements. My close mate was his dealer (he didn't know this) and he told me he would literally just order loads of oral avar and winny and never anything else.

 

[swedemiester77]

im not getting on you but more of a question.....dont you have a kind of a long history of diet pills, diet drugs, multiple versions of oral pro hormones and things like anadrol and other oral compounds? And you dont think your liver problems were brought on by your longterm usage of those?

(I havent taken Diet drugs/pills since I did my last prep with a well known coach from here last year; pro hormones were over 3-4 years ago)

I'm not saying gear and definitely orals were not partly to blame (as was evident by the biopsy), but I was only on orals for 3 weeks (50 winny/50 drol), plus I was taking TUDCA, ALA, NAC, Milk thistle daily by the handful for weeks before.


Sorry to hi-jack Shelby.

 

[swedemiester77]

I don't know his history but I will say it's strange how guys stories often change when they get sick. I actually wrote this in mylast post but deleted it as I didn't want him to take it the wrong way. But as I mentioned jaundice doesn't just happen overnight. There was a guy in my old gym that said he had seen a liver specialist etc. To anyone educated on the subject his story didn't make sense. This went on for a long time. He was obviously on gear but used to say he was natural. He said he developed jaundice etc from his diet and otc supplements. My close mate was his dealer (he didn't know this) and he told me he would literally just order loads of oral avar and winny and never anything else.

So my liver biopsy did show 'drug induced' liver damage, but that would have been evident from any amount of gear usage. The main issue was the my common bile duct had constricted causing the bilirubin to overflow back into the liver.

BTW, gall bladder issues are a much more common cause to jaundice than gear usage.

We will see what happens in a month or two after they take out the stint in my duct.


Basically I just thought my liver was safe taking all of the supplements touted as liver aids, yet right now when I am trying to heal from my liver damage the doctors tell me not to take any, even when I explicitly asked to take NAC and TUDCA, and even glutathione.

Are they just behind the times? (...The main liver doctor that gives speeches around the country)