Blood work of a pro

[taslajrisi]

So what is the consensus on premium powders tudca? I have used this a few times before but honestly I have never used another brand so I have nothing to compare. To me quality is paramount with a supp like tudca.

 

[Phidias]

Just the little bit of Vitamin C I get in my multi, I don't take any supplemental C other than that. One time my iron got TOO low (from donating every 8 weeks) so to help correct it (other than donating less frequently) I added 500mg vitamin C to any iron containing meals to help increase absorption.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[GreenTLB6]

So what is the consensus on premium powders tudca? I have used this a few times before but honestly I have never used another brand so I have nothing to compare. To me quality is paramount with a supp like tudca.

I don't have an issue with it. Seemed to help quite a bit with sides although I don't have blood work to back it up.

Heard some good reviews of Olympus labs TUDCA so if people are saying that's the way to go I'm going to give that a run.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

I don't have an issue with it. Seemed to help quite a bit with sides although I don't have blood work to back it up.

Heard some good reviews of Olympus labs TUDCA so if people are saying that's the way to go I'm going to give that a run.

I'm about 1.5 weeks into using my Premium Powders brand. I just got bloodwork done before starting it and plan to get bloodwork done again in about 3 weeks. I was considering switching now but for the sake of getting some clarification about the brand I can just stick with Premium Powders for now and post the results if people are interested.

I'm not on any oral AAS or anything beyond my 125mg TRT but my ALT was a little high (62) so I would think if the TUDCA is legit it should be down noticeably.

 

[GreenTLB6]

I'm about 1.5 weeks into using my Premium Powders brand. I just got bloodwork done before starting it and plan to get bloodwork done again in about 3 weeks. I was considering switching now but for the sake of getting some clarification about the brand I can just stick with Premium Powders for now and post the results if people are interested.

I'm not on any oral AAS or anything beyond my 125mg TRT but my ALT was a little high (62) so I would think if the TUDCA is legit it should be down noticeably.

Yes please. Keep us posted.

 

[SABAGOY]

Shelby, you didn't get as heavy this off season correct? How much of a factor do you think that played?


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[Shelby]

Shelby, you didn't get as heavy this off season correct? How much of a factor do you think that played?


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Yah stayed around 210 to 215 (used to go up to 230 plus).
I'm sure that helped a bit.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

As I said I'd update after taking Premium Powders' TUDCA for one month

Full blood results here: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-3-2x-upper-range-125mg-week.html#post2188902




Here is before the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 99 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 62 (9-46 U/L)

Here is after the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 79 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 54 (9-46 U/L)

Slight decrease but nothing really definitive. Would have expected/hoped ALT to be in range. My ALT ranges from 50-70 most of the time so in my opinion the TUDCA didn't really do much at all. Not sure if we can say the PP brand is bunk or if I just didn't get the hoped for response.

 

[GreenTLB6]

Thanks for posting. Was just a about time to order some more TUDCA. Looks like I'll go with another brand this time...most likely Olympus labs.

As I said I'd update after taking Premium Powders' TUDCA for one month

Full blood results here: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-3-2x-upper-range-125mg-week.html#post2188902




Here is before the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 99 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 62 (9-46 U/L)

Here is after the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 79 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 54 (9-46 U/L)

Slight decrease but nothing really definitive. Would have expected/hoped ALT to be in range. My ALT ranges from 50-70 most of the time so in my opinion the TUDCA didn't really do much at all. Not sure if we can say the PP brand is bunk or if I just didn't get the hoped for response.

 

[Kas15]

As I said I'd update after taking Premium Powders' TUDCA for one month

Full blood results here: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-3-2x-upper-range-125mg-week.html#post2188902




Here is before the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 99 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 62 (9-46 U/L)

Here is after the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 79 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 54 (9-46 U/L)

Slight decrease but nothing really definitive. Would have expected/hoped ALT to be in range. My ALT ranges from 50-70 most of the time so in my opinion the TUDCA didn't really do much at all. Not sure if we can say the PP brand is bunk or if I just didn't get the hoped for response.

How much of the TUDCA were you taking in?

 

[Deleted member 106824]

How much of the TUDCA were you taking in?

500mg per day (250mg in the morning and 250mg at night)

 

[Kas15]

500mg per day (250mg in the morning and 250mg at night)

Damn, I just recently ordered some too..

 

[Mike Arnold]

At what point should one worry about all of these supportive supplements hurting one's liver? I see a bunch of guys rattle off their supplement stack and their awesome blood tests... I am just the unlucky one?

I just got out of the hospital (for jaundice) after three weeks, and being transfered to a US well-known liver specialist team that basically said that all of these supplements may be doing the opposite and hurting our liver. So now, out of the hospital, they told me I can never take any of these OTC supportive supplements again (besides Vit D3).

Here I thought I was safe, or safer at least, taking my 15+ pills morning and night, donating blood routinely.

So you doctor told you that you could never use any of those supplements again? WOW! Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! I don't know whose worse--the doctor for saying it or you for believing it. You two sound like a great pair.

Like Doggcrap said, don't you have a history of using a bunch of oral AAS? How about drooping all the orals and any other liver stressing drugs first and then seeing how it goes?

Also, make sure you do the following. The next time you see your doctor, ask him to provide medical references (studies) showing that ALL of these products cause liver stress. After all, he did tell you to NEVER again take any of them, right? That's a pretty strong recommendation--one that requires medical evidence. If your doctor can't provide that, he should at least be able to tell you where he found this information. I mean, a doctor would never pull something like that out of his ass, right? Being that this recommendation has the potential to significantly affect one's health, he certainly has proof to support such a recommendation, right?

Or--here's a grand idea--you can find out for yourself! It's called Pud-med and guess what? It's free! This means you can do as much research as you want on these compounds and become more educated than your doctor, who is clearly not only a fucking moron, but doesn't give a damn about whether or not he is giving out truthful information to his patients. Then again, you would know this for yourself if you spent just a little time looking up this information for yourself.

I know this message was pretty harsh, but this kind of stuff really gets to me because it makes bodybuilders look stupid. It's not like you had to figure out how to assemble an nuclear bomb. All you needed to do was a little research.

Regardless, I hope things turn around for you.

 

[Elvia1023]

So you doctor told you that you could never use any of those supplements again? WOW! Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! I don't know whose worse--the doctor for saying it or you for believing it. You two sound like a great pair.

Like Doggcrap said, don't you have a history of using a bunch of oral AAS? How about drooping all the orals and any other liver stressing drugs first and then seeing how it goes?

Also, make sure you do the following. The next time you see your doctor, ask him to provide medical references (studies) showing that ALL of these products cause liver stress. After all, he did tell you to NEVER again take any of them, right? That's a pretty strong recommendation--one that requires medical evidence. If your doctor can't provide that, he should at least be able to tell you where he found this information. I mean, a doctor would never pull something like that out of his ass, right? Being that this recommendation has the potential to significantly affect one's health, he certainly has proof to support such a recommendation, right?

Or--here's a grand idea--you can find out for yourself! It's called Pud-med and guess what? It's free! This means you can do as much research as you want on these compounds and become more educated than your doctor, who is clearly not only a fucking moron, but doesn't give a damn about whether or not he is giving out truthful information to his patients. Then again, you would know this for yourself if you spent just a little time looking up this information for yourself.

I know this message was pretty harsh, but this kind of stuff really gets to me because it makes bodybuilders look stupid. It's not like you had to figure out how to assemble an nuclear bomb. All you needed to do was a little research.

Regardless, I hope things turn around for you.

Mike I am liking this side of you Too many guys think you are being negative with posts like yours or how we should support oneanother etc. Sometimes people are just idiots though and need a kick up the backside for being just that.

 

[LATS]

there is really no need for orals.. most of us are not stepping on stage any time soon.. gains can be done through oils only.. if you are going to use orals 3 or 4 week max and sparingly..

 

[Bio]

As I said I'd update after taking Premium Powders' TUDCA for one month

Full blood results here: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-3-2x-upper-range-125mg-week.html#post2188902




Here is before the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 99 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 62 (9-46 U/L)

Here is after the TUDCA:
Alkaline Phosphatase: 79 (40-115 U/L)
AST: 23 (10-40 U/L)
ALT: 54 (9-46 U/L)

Slight decrease but nothing really definitive. Would have expected/hoped ALT to be in range. My ALT ranges from 50-70 most of the time so in my opinion the TUDCA didn't really do much at all. Not sure if we can say the PP brand is bunk or if I just didn't get the hoped for response.

You should run Synthergine and then see where you're at!

 

[Deleted member 106824]

You should run Synthergine and then see where you're at!

Feel free to throw some my way!

I probably won't get another LFT done too soon, but next time I do I'll consider it.

 

[swedemiester77]

So you doctor told you that you could never use any of those supplements again? WOW! Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! I don't know whose worse--the doctor for saying it or you for believing it. You two sound like a great pair.

Like Doggcrap said, don't you have a history of using a bunch of oral AAS? How about drooping all the orals and any other liver stressing drugs first and then seeing how it goes?

Also, make sure you do the following. The next time you see your doctor, ask him to provide medical references (studies) showing that ALL of these products cause liver stress. After all, he did tell you to NEVER again take any of them, right? That's a pretty strong recommendation--one that requires medical evidence. If your doctor can't provide that, he should at least be able to tell you where he found this information. I mean, a doctor would never pull something like that out of his ass, right? Being that this recommendation has the potential to significantly affect one's health, he certainly has proof to support such a recommendation, right?

Or--here's a grand idea--you can find out for yourself! It's called Pud-med and guess what? It's free! This means you can do as much research as you want on these compounds and become more educated than your doctor, who is clearly not only a fucking moron, but doesn't give a damn about whether or not he is giving out truthful information to his patients. Then again, you would know this for yourself if you spent just a little time looking up this information for yourself.

I know this message was pretty harsh, but this kind of stuff really gets to me because it makes bodybuilders look stupid. It's not like you had to figure out how to assemble an nuclear bomb. All you needed to do was a little research.

Regardless, I hope things turn around for you.

Yes, I have done plenty of research over the years. But when someone that sees this day in and day out, and all they deal with are liver cases, you would think their opinion would carry some merit, and that I wouldn't have to request them to back up everything they say. Granted, this was from someone in the fellowship of a renowned liver specialist that gives talks country wide, and it could just be their opinion (and not the lead's).

BTW, I held my ground against my primary, multiple doctors that were assigned to me during my 2 hospital and 3 week stay, including the main liver specialist and her fellowship, that just because my liver shows signs of 'drug induced' liver damage that it does not mean it is the cause of my symptoms. My (horrible) analogy was: 'If my car needs an oil change and then a day later it totally stops working, is it 'cause I needed an oil change?'

Anyways, they put a stint in my common bile duct, which they just took out while doing a sphincterotomy, and it resolved my jaundice, and my liver values are slowly returning to normal.

(I was taking almost everything that Shelby lists, NAC, TUDCA plus ALA)