Blood work on High Androgen Low Test

[GreatGhandi51]

Hey gentlemen; hope everyone is well.

Just quickly wanted to post up about High Androgen/Low Test theory, I've been a member of this forum for over 13+ years (lost my old account and had really hard time recovering so created this one, that's why if you see some of my old quotes are dated from 2008 ie dates they were saved, racepicks, jm425, muscle69ss etc, alot are getting old or moved on with life but still nice to see BigA, rajin etc still around). But yes; these are blood work from no test, High Eq, and sprinkle of Tren (0.1ml TrA ED).

Im not a fan of Testoserone i know alot of West (ie Americans are), but to me Mg : Mg there 100x better hormones. And as a wise GCC bb'er once told me jump on 1-2g Test after 4-6 weeks take letro and a diuretic and let me know how much muscle you have on it. But its cheap, works and gets you from A to B.



I enjoy bodybuilding; like its my passion, i wrote about anti-body formation from mixing pharma GH with Generic (wouldn't happen with pharmaharma) and found the reasoning to it i posted it but don't think it caught that much attention.

But this one goes to show about how 70s bodybuilders were able to function despite hating test. There Test levels weren't getting effected; i had initially theorized that oh maybe you need 25mg of Test-E a week to keep normal physiological functions etc but that's not the case.

Anyways hope everyone has a beautiful day!

 

[GreatGhandi51]

Antibody formation:

and why people like jm425 couldnt afford to use generic due to compromised immune system;



scientific reasoning: HMW from GH production that causes immuno response.

The reasoning why Generic GH =/= Pharma

Thats because both were pharma and from the same place. Ps: your the only one to get it, feel free to read all of sven's posts for more info. https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/threads/hygetropin-controversy-settled-the-facts.209579/page-2 That's what i figured, TP circa 05 or so

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[Spiro]

Can we see your physigue on low to no test?

 

[luki7788]

With all due respect, I won't take seriously anything said by a guy who uses grams of steroids and looks like someone who is natural - forgive my honesty

 

[GreatGhandi51]

With all due respect, I won't take seriously anything said by a guy who uses grams of steroids and looks like someone who is natural - forgive my honesty

Bro i dont want to be rude or anything; but i think alot of forum users don't want to disrespect you and tell you that your the typical 'synthol'ed meathead. I rather look natural then have michellin arms the way yours do, i asked you for gh + slin numbers and you replied 'oh cant be bothered, you have to search through my thread'. Contribute something meaningful instead of Greg Valentino'ing your 14' arms.

PS: i never said i used grams of gear; i said the body fights it back esp if you dont have the muscle mass to hold it.

Can we see your physigue on low to no test?

Posted up recent pics in photos recently.

 

[Duke309]

How long have you been off test? Was the testosterone test an immunoassay like eclia or was it lc/MS?

 

[GreatGhandi51]

How long have you been off test? Was the testosterone test an immunoassay like eclia or was it lc/MS?

Based on my reading of it; it was Siemens Centaur/Atellica so immunoassay.

But in laymans terms; just the standard blood test for free test and total test.

I had not followed the '50mg' to maintain normal physiological functions and just did regular check up and the above showed, thats when i came to conclusion about '70s bbers doing something right' despite it 'not' being right if that makes sense?

Another 'theory' one can pick up, is the extremely low SHBG. Some have theorised techniques to try to lower it on this forum, maybe low test is the way to go on about it (really not that interested to do further studies on it as not that fussed i enjoy looking like a 'horse' lol).

 

[traininsane11]

Based on my reading of it; it was Siemens Centaur/Atellica so immunoassay.

But in laymans terms; just the standard blood test for free test and total test.

I had not followed the '50mg' to maintain normal physiological functions and just did regular check up and the above showed, thats when i came to conclusion about '70s bbers doing something right' despite it 'not' being right if that makes sense?

Another 'theory' one can pick up, is the extremely low SHBG. Some have theorised techniques to try to lower it on this forum, maybe low test is the way to go on about it (really not that interested to do further studies on it as not that fussed i enjoy looking like a 'horse' lol).

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I mean this with literally no disrespect as it’s not solely directed at you but the way you speak on here you come across as extremely intelligent and beyond exceptionally science based in regards to all things bodybuilding hyper focussing on the 0.0001% of things that help create a physique but and again no disrespect at all I know people who literally know F all in regards to any of the science they just follow a generic bro split and eat well and take modest basic cycles (or in some instances natural) and have better physiques… SURELY this is a sign that all this way over the top science is totally unnecessary and if anything taking away from the whole process

I’m not saying be ignorant or dumb but I honestly don’t get why people want to turn something SOOOOO simple into a 20 year long laboratory science study and end up with the same or less results and spend years pulling their hair out over every little study

 

[Duke309]

Based on my reading of it; it was Siemens Centaur/Atellica so immunoassay.

But in laymans terms; just the standard blood test for free test and total test.

I had not followed the '50mg' to maintain normal physiological functions and just did regular check up and the above showed, thats when i came to conclusion about '70s bbers doing something right' despite it 'not' being right if that makes sense?

Another 'theory' one can pick up, is the extremely low SHBG. Some have theorised techniques to try to lower it on this forum, maybe low test is the way to go on about it (really not that interested to do further studies on it as not that fussed i enjoy looking like a 'horse' lol).

I wouldn't put any confidence in the blood test results from immunoassay when using other steroids that could confound the results. I'm surprised you don't feel like garbage with no test. I'd be interested to see a sensitive E2 (LC/MS) and sensitive estrone (LC/MS) tests to see what those levels are at.

 

[GreatGhandi51]

I mean this with literally no disrespect as it’s not solely directed at you but the way you speak on here you come across as extremely intelligent and beyond exceptionally science based in regards to all things bodybuilding hyper focussing on the 0.0001% of things that help create a physique but and again no disrespect at all I know people who literally know F all in regards to any of the science they just follow a generic bro split and eat well and take modest basic cycles (or in some instances natural) and have better physiques… SURELY this is a sign that all this way over the top science is totally unnecessary and if anything taking away from the whole process

I’m not saying be ignorant or dumb but I honestly don’t get why people want to turn something SOOOOO simple into a 20 year long laboratory science study and end up with the same or less results and spend years pulling their hair out over every little study

No im 100% with you bro and i see your posts; you seem to come off as a gentlemen.

The point of this thread was to try illustrate the un-necessary usage of test; you always see people in the bodybuilding world state 'man the 70s bodybuilder look 100% better then todays' etc etc. You ever hear the saying 'old school is best school?' why? because it stands the test of time. This thread was created to show that hey maybe the 70s guys were onto something; how are you still able to get a hard on etc whilst on primo/deca/stana+dbol etc etc

Now it doesnt mean you dont use test at all (like for example my cousin had to add test-prop to his High Eq/Mod Npp/low test, he told me he loves it and thats fine some people like it).

And yes im with you bodybuilders aren't the brightest creatures in the shed; the difference with me and i spoke to a Middle-eastern bodybuilder; he adviced me look for GH and fat loss inject in fat, dont know why dont know how but works better; i quickly sent him a study about 'localised' lipoatrophy with GH injected sub-q


Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articl...calized lipoatrophy,a limited number of sites.

He in turn told me bro how do you know so much; i told him because i had 3 years of medicine (/+ health sciences) under my belt and i like connecting the theory to practise and as the old adage goes 'practice reinforces theory'.

I dont like bs bro, there is alot of it on forums. And since i've got your attention; there were 2-3 posters back in my whole bb career that would 'slap you from your screen' type posters. Buselmo and alpmaster and Big A. These guys when you read there posts; you understand the amount of 'super-glutamine 453535 + injectable Sup4000' bullshit that goes around. It's sad, look i always believe this; knowledge should be free but with narcissim and bodybuilding its a bad mix (that coupled with alot of 'noobs' following and touting what ever the 'noob' leader is saying and well LOL, you get the drift).

Btw i know there's alot of hidden vets that read these posts (that's what i really want to be getting to, not the noobs). Because a vet sees bullshit when he sees it not 'oh you took 2-3g and you look bad', thats not how life works brother we have a saying in Arabic 'take wisdom from someone deemed insane'.

Also the SHBG thing that you refereed to was off topic for the 'curious' forumer (or the vets that like to experiment). I've done alot of experiments in my life bro (trust me when i tell you Dan Duchaine 2.0 LOL but in the process ive nearly killed myself). I dont plan on playing with SHBG, but it seems based on the bloods above, low test seems to have proportional weighing to SHBG.

I wouldn't put any confidence in the blood test results from immunoassay when using other steroids that could confound the results. I'm surprised you don't feel like garbage with no test. I'd be interested to see a sensitive E2 (LC/MS) and sensitive estrone (LC/MS) tests to see what those levels are at.

Bro im not going to AI explain difference between a potato and jackfruit; its the standard blood test use to check if you can get it up hard for your wife on not. I feel fine (and alot of 70s bb'ers did aswell), i cannot stand test; it makes me dumb (like stereotypical 'meathead') i like my mental sanity (that why i use EQ; not heavy androgen). Try it once? high primo, deca no test, dbol. You lose nothing; if you feel like sh*t as you say, 1 Test-prop injection and your set.

 

[specter]

No im 100% with you bro and i see your posts; you seem to come off as a gentlemen.

The point of this thread was to try illustrate the un-necessary usage of test; you always see people in the bodybuilding world state 'man the 70s bodybuilder look 100% better then todays' etc etc. You ever hear the saying 'old school is best school?' why? because it stands the test of time. This thread was created to show that hey maybe the 70s guys were onto something; how are you still able to get a hard on etc whilst on primo/deca/stana+dbol etc etc

Now it doesnt mean you dont use test at all (like for example my cousin had to add test-prop to his High Eq/Mod Npp/low test, he told me he loves it and thats fine some people like it).

And yes im with you bodybuilders aren't the brightest creatures in the shed; the difference with me and i spoke to a Middle-eastern bodybuilder; he adviced me look for GH and fat loss inject in fat, dont know why dont know how but works better; i quickly sent him a study about 'localised' lipoatrophy with GH injected sub-q

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Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8495724/#:~:text=The development of localized lipoatrophy,a limited number of sites.

He in turn told me bro how do you know so much; i told him because i had 3 years of medicine (/+ health sciences) under my belt and i like connecting the theory to practise and as the old adage goes 'practice reinforces theory'.

I dont like bs bro, there is alot of it on forums. And since i've got your attention; there were 2-3 posters back in my whole bb career that would 'slap you from your screen' type posters. Buselmo and alpmaster and Big A. These guys when you read there posts; you understand the amount of 'super-glutamine 453535 + injectable Sup4000' bullshit that goes around. It's sad, look i always believe this; knowledge should be free but with narcissim and bodybuilding its a bad mix (that coupled with alot of 'noobs' following and touting what ever the 'noob' leader is saying and well LOL, you get the drift).

Btw i know there's alot of hidden vets that read these posts (that's what i really want to be getting to, not the noobs). Because a vet sees bullshit when he sees it not 'oh you took 2-3g and you look bad', thats not how life works brother we have a saying in Arabic 'take wisdom from someone deemed insane'.

Also the SHBG thing that you refereed to was off topic for the 'curious' forumer (or the vets that like to experiment). I've done alot of experiments in my life bro (trust me when i tell you Dan Duchaine 2.0 LOL but in the process ive nearly killed myself). I dont plan on playing with SHBG, but it seems based on the bloods above, low test seems to have proportional weighing to SHBG.


Bro im not going to AI explain difference between a potato and jackfruit; its the standard blood test use to check if you can get it up hard for your wife on not. I feel fine (and alot of 70s bb'ers did aswell), i cannot stand test; it makes me dumb (like stereotypical 'meathead') i like my mental sanity (that why i use EQ; not heavy androgen). Try it once? high primo, deca no test, dbol. You lose nothing; if you feel like sh*t as you say, 1 Test-prop injection and your set.

Because Dbol can replace test 100% ? its even been used as a method of TRT.

 

[Alzadosghost]

Based on my reading of it; it was Siemens Centaur/Atellica so immunoassay.

But in laymans terms; just the standard blood test for free test and total test.

I had not followed the '50mg' to maintain normal physiological functions and just did regular check up and the above showed, thats when i came to conclusion about '70s bbers doing something right' despite it 'not' being right if that makes sense?

Another 'theory' one can pick up, is the extremely low SHBG. Some have theorised techniques to try to lower it on this forum, maybe low test is the way to go on about it (really not that interested to do further studies on it as not that fussed i enjoy looking like a 'horse' lol).

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You just look like a regular everyday guy to me. You sure don’t look like you use steroids that’s for sure

 

[Siggy]

This thread has potential.....

 

[Mufasa123]

I've personally always felt I got more out of anabolics than test. That said, even 200mg of test weekly seemed to really make a difference in potentiating the more anabolic drugs (this was something I noticed on myself in the 1990s - so it was novel then). Now I'm more a moderate test guy and I have more stable and moderate goals as I'm older and never was trying to get truly big.

ALL THAT SAID, when I comes to truly large individuals with a ton of muscle I've literally never met a single one who wasn't running at least 1-2+ grams of test weekly semi-regularly. We are talking open class bbers, mass monster 90s era guys, elite strongman or powerlifters. Dudes that are absolute houses and walk around 280-350+lbs. Could be correlation. Could be causality. But no real exception that I've seen while guys touting low test are almost always small or at least never in that league.

Could be a clue. If I wanted to get really big today, I'd likely go the heavy test route.

 

[Tank4411]

If I don’t have at least 300-500 mgs a week of test I get really bad depression. No matter how high I blast the other anabolics!!!

 

[Zamun]

You just look like a regular everyday guy to me. You sure don’t look like you use steroids that’s for sure

Inadvertently convincing me to up the dose.

 

[td]

And as a wise GCC bb'er once told me jump on 1-2g Test after 4-6 weeks take letro and a diuretic and let me know how much muscle you have on it. But its cheap, works and gets you from A to B.

I have no dog in this fight (discussion) but I this statement seems inconsistent. One must apply it universally to be intellectually honest.

Take any compound for only 4 to 6 weeks and see how much muscle was accrued. Miofibrial hypertrophy takes time. A competition bodybuilder will have a spectacular year if they add 12 lbs of stage weight. That would be just over a pound in the aforementioned time period.

If the scale increases significantly over that duration, it's mostly water or fat.

Also, I love the 70's era guys. But if you don't think some of the current classic guys are better, you're dealing with some cognitive biased or you're not paying attention.

 

[hawkmoon]

I started in the late 80s and at that time test was there in the cycles, but it was secondary - at least in me and my associates. Thats said, it was never absent.

I would probably max out with 2cc of Upjohn or Steris test cypionate a week. Depending on what was available there would be various nandrolone esters, low concentration EQ, parabolan, primobolan, Winstrol-V, anadrol, anavar, and Russian or German Dbol. I always favored anabolics and we tended to view test as bloat and sides in a bottle (there were no AIs, Nolva hard to get). It was just cheap at $10-14 dollars a vial so the poor young kids were on it, furthering it's unpopular image. We'd call these guys the "Melon Patch Kids" (Cabbage Patch doll era) because they were so bloated, like melons.

I still prefer a higher anabolic than test, but that's just me and I don't know if it's the best option - just what I like.

 

[Cerberus777]

I tend to like lower test. If its 1/4 to 1/3 of my totals I do ok. but bloated even on an AI and lower libido is all I get over 500mg. Even if it made me bigger id not want it if it fucks with my sex life. I can't do deca either without a strong DHT like winny either. Every one is different. A good friend runs very high test and has opposite results on it.

 

[astrosfan123]

im more curious in the other bloodwork, this new promotion of low test and high (insert primo or mast) has no backing of actually being healthier than monitoring estrogen on higher test with some sprinkle of an AI. Personally with myself along with tons of other labs i have seen, peoples lipids are way worse with higher primo and low test and very skewed vs using an AI. The anti ai thing has gotten out of hand