blood work, when should you worry?

[wasp]

i did a 500mg test e run for 10 weeks back in dec , blood after that were

hematocrit 49.9 range 38-50

rbc 5.76 range 4.2-5.8

hemaglobin 16.6 range 13.2-17.1

rdw 14.4 range 11-15 (not sure what this is)

platelets 217 range 140-400

test 735 range 250-1100

free test 208 range 35-155 HIGH


now ive been cruising on 125mg e for 10 weeks, i was on androgel b4 i ever touched anything so i figured id just cruise, here are my results after cruising for 10 weeks on 125mg


hemoglobin 17.8 range 13.2-17.1 HIGH

hematocrit 51.9 range 38-50 HIGH

rbc 6.09 range 4.2-5.8 HIGH

rdw 17.3 range 11-15 HIGH (not sure what rdw is)

platelets 92 range 140-400 LOW

test 1692 range 250-1100 HIGH

free test 563 range 35-155 HIGH


i was supposed to start a 500-750mg 10 week run today, i did a 250mg shot this morn, but now , after seeing this, im not sure what to do.........what do you guys think? how the fack did everything get so high on 125 mg a week for 10 weeks?

 

[wasp]

damn, i just realised the sample was aquired 24 hrs after my shot, how inaccurate do you think this is?

 

[wasp]

bueller? how long after your shot do you get levels checked trt guys.........think my dr would have told me, i never thought about it.........time a for a new dr me thinks..........nurse doesnt belong reading my results to me anyhow, my dr knws what im doing , she doesnt

 

[Trainwreck80]

It depends on your protocol. If you're just shooting 125mg of test enanthate or cyp once a week an not using HCG, you could do the blood test on the morning of your injection BEFORE you inject. This will give you the lowest reading of the week obviously. Or you could do it 5 days after the injection with the understanding that you'll go lower for day 6.

 

[wasp]

yeah, im doing 125 no hcg...................think im cool to cycle? i swear these places have a way of making you feel ill, i leave there thinking i could drop dead at any minute and 3 hours later i feel great................shouldnt i be seeing a hematologist for this kind of stuff anyhow?

 

[Alias]

bueller? how long after your shot do you get levels checked trt guys.........think my dr would have told me, i never thought about it.........time a for a new dr me thinks..........nurse doesnt belong reading my results to me anyhow, my dr knws what im doing , she doesnt

I'm in the same boat as you man. My doc is short with his answers, won't take suggestions and practicaly interogates me everytime I see him. It took me a year of bitching before I could get my dose raised to 200mg every 10 days. I usually get blood work done on the day of the injection (before).

I had a sperm count done, and didn't hear anything from the dr. for a couple of weeks, so I called. The nurse told me everything was fine.

About a half hour later she called back and asked me what I was getting my sperm count done for, I told her we were trying to have children.

She said Oh (with a long Pause) and asked if she could call me back. Well she didn't call me back, the Doctor did and he continued to tell me how sorry he was that the Nurse didn't understand what she was doing and thought that I was getting my sperm counted post Vasectomy, so she told me that a count of zero was normal.

Normal....ha, it would have been "Normal" if that were the case, unfortunity that was not the case and I didn't have a Vasectomy. I wasnt as mad as I could have been, considering Ide been on TRT for many year and figured I was sterile. Just goes to show how unprofessional nurses can be. Am I right?

 

[RV63T]

thats nots that high 1692. if you were back in your normal range in the first labs after the 500mg a wk. wich had you in high normal range of 735
how long were your labs after your 500mg a wk run. looks like you recovered well.

at 500mg a wk if i have blood done 4 wk after last inj, im still around 3500 on my test. 16 wks around 92. this is of course without pct.
with pct im still high after 4 wks but i dont bottom out so hard and get in normal range in like 8 to 12 wks.

 

[wasp]

2 weeks, but remember, id been doing 125 a week after 500 run................how bad do these things have to be b4 you run risk of stroking out? rbc,hematocrit all that................i read about platelets, not a big deal there it doesnt seem................thats what im worried about, i dont care bout my test levels, i know they were gonna be high, but dr didnt remind me i shouldnt draw after shot cuz hes clueless, then the nurse is harping on my test levels, im basically ignoring here , so i says can i see? she goes, when im finished.........................i look and say, eh , my hematocrit is high, she goes, thats no big deal.............

obviously , what im doing is beyond their realm of expertise..................so im asking you guys, i really need a dr that knows trt and what it does to your blood, its no wonder he wouldnt give me im test, he doesnt know how to monitor it, all hed give me was androgel

im moving to syracuse ny in a few months, hopefully ill still be alive and can find a proper dr ,lol

and rdw is red cell distribution width, anyone know wtf thats for?

 

[ballennonstop]

The HRT doc I used to work with would not prescribe TRT with Hematocrit out of range. That was the one level he seemed to be most concerned with. Luckily yours isn't ridiculously high as I have seen much higher. Have you considered donating blood?

 

[Druss]

i did a 500mg test e run for 10 weeks back in dec , blood after that were

hematocrit 49.9 range 38-50

rbc 5.76 range 4.2-5.8

hemaglobin 16.6 range 13.2-17.1

rdw 14.4 range 11-15 (not sure what this is)

platelets 217 range 140-400

test 735 range 250-1100

free test 208 range 35-155 HIGH


now ive been cruising on 125mg e for 10 weeks, i was on androgel b4 i ever touched anything so i figured id just cruise, here are my results after cruising for 10 weeks on 125mg


hemoglobin 17.8 range 13.2-17.1 HIGH

hematocrit 51.9 range 38-50 HIGH

rbc 6.09 range 4.2-5.8 HIGH

rdw 17.3 range 11-15 HIGH (not sure what rdw is)

platelets 92 range 140-400 LOW

test 1692 range 250-1100 HIGH

free test 563 range 35-155 HIGH


i was supposed to start a 500-750mg 10 week run today, i did a 250mg shot this morn, but now , after seeing this, im not sure what to do.........what do you guys think? how the fack did everything get so high on 125 mg a week for 10 weeks?

I would go give a pint of blood to level out the hemocrit/hemoglobin, as for when you took the shot that only effects you testo and free testo, so the rest are a bit high, when hemocrite crosses over 50 you double your chances of a heart attack, giving blood will lower it and the rest of your blood cell readings into the normal range . You lucky you aint on EQ that jumps the hemocryte like crazy.

 

[RV63T]

I think male ranges are 38-52 and below 41 percent is considered anemic.
best to get you a good endo. key there is finding a good one.

 

[wasp]

is giving a pint of blood risky in any way? i read it can lower your platelets quickly and mine are allready low..............ive never given blood, where do you do this ? at a hospital? do they ask you a shitload of questions?


im 44, heart attack dont sound good,lol

is all i need to give is a pint? how long will things even out b4 i need to do it again?

 

[RV63T]

is giving a pint of blood risky in any way? i read it can lower your platelets quickly and mine are allready low..............ive never given blood, where do you do this ? at a hospital? do they ask you a shitload of questions?


im 44, heart attack dont sound good,lol

is all i need to give is a pint? how long will things even out b4 i need to do it again?

bro not that there arent some great guys on here that help very much. but you seem worried i would take my labs to a doctor and get a doctors opinion. jm2c

 

[wasp]

no good drs by me is the problem,and a 3 month wait for the endo, and they dont have a clue bout trt, not worried , just wondering if it needs to be addressed, seems it should.......................i started a 750 e run today with 75 var...............i doubt it will correct itslef on its own, what do guys that stay on high doses year round do?

 

[Dave_19]

To answer your title ?
You should never worry because the mental anguish only add's to the negative energy. BUT you should be responsible and make conscious changes as soon as any metrics go out of range.

Their are remedies natural to fix any thing out of range within a fair amount of time. PM me if you need help getting a clear green light blood test following this. I will give you advice for each out of range metric.

 

[wasp]

To answer your title ?
You should never worry because the mental anguish only add's to the negative energy. BUT you should be responsible and make conscious changes as soon as any metrics go out of range.

Their are remedies natural to fix any thing out of range within a fair amount of time. PM me if you need help getting a clear green light blood test following this. I will give you advice for each out of range metric.

can you believe this guy tried to suck $100 out of me via pm for his "special" pct...............muscletech is fin ruthless, practices like this is why i never have and never will buy any of their products


anyhow, i had a second panic attack last night, not sure if induced by the test or what ,i know screwy hormonal levels can cause em.............anyone else ever get em from gear?


anyhow,im gonna stop and just ride it out, let my body fix itself, ending up in the er hooked up to an ekg is not worth it, and once you tell them youve been doing aas they treat you like a fin dog, unless everyone gets treated that way...........i have androgel if things get bad, i guess my body is just too sensitive.............ill gain what i can naturally.................sux i have to flush $350 worth of shit........life goes on

 

[maldorf]

Cruising is what got my HCT levels up to nearly 60. Im now on HRT at a dose of 120 mg/wk and my HCT is at 53. The doc is ok with this, since it hasnt gone up anymore after 1 year of therapy. If you go up in dose, that hematocrit is going to go sky high like mine was. Im sure you know about how having a high hematocrit can lead to blood clots, so youre making the right decision. You are on doctor prescribed HRT? If you are I would think the doctor has some good advice for you. I would call for lowering your dose down to 100 mg/wk and see how that goes. I had a hematocrit of 55 and it went down to 53 in about 2 months just dropping down from a hrt dose of 150 to 120mg.
If youre going to try and cycle too, doing that is going to require giving blood. It should not be too dangerous, as doctors prescribe it for medical conditions. I did post that study on here not long ago about how it can increase platelets, it doesnt decrease. It must not be that much of a risk though otherwise it wouldnt be a practice by docs.

I might also add that my hematologist said that he would prescribe bloot letting to me if my HCT got out of control, rather than make me stop HRT. Ive had a massive heart attack too, and have an ICD in my chest. SO it must not be that risky!

 

[wasp]

no, dr wouldnt give me im test, he put me on adrogel for low free test b4 i ever touched anything, i decided to self does 125 myself since i wanted to get something more out of the gym than the androgel could offer...........its just not worth it, the rbc, hematocrit and things getting out of whack, now panic attacks ive never had b4, bp issues ive never had b4, im pretty damn healthy considering, i cant see fin that up for a few pounds of muscle, its just doesnt seem its worth the lesser quality of life...............like i said, im going cold turkey, and gonna ride it out, i have androgel should i start to feel pretty shitty, who knows, my body may just bounce right back, ive only been doing this for 6 months.................i quit cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, weed, all, cold turkey........ill get thru it.....................ill keep hammering in the gym naturally, ive never had really good genetics for this, so be it

 

[The Booger]

Just goes to show how unprofessional nurses can be. Am I right?

Anyone in the health care industry can be unprofessional. I've seen doctors be the biggest dicks to grieving families.

Patient comes in with a mild stroke. It happens all the time. Later on I go in to find her OTHER side is now limp, apparently she had another stroke or her first stroke never stopped and it kept migrating.

Doctor comes in to a family nearly hysterical and tells them, and I quote.

"If I put her on a vent and you take her off. It's your own damn fault. You killed her." Walks out, and leaves the floor. This same doctor has also shrugged off patients asking about their heart condition, cancer, etc and told them they are either fine, or dying. Next week the "fine" patients are back with huge heart attacks or dead.

There is unprofessional, and then there is just dumb. The nurse sounded more dumb than unprofessional (not knowing WTF you are talking about is quite unprofessional thought, but she could have just been confused).

 

[maldorf]

no, dr wouldnt give me im test, he put me on adrogel for low free test b4 i ever touched anything, i decided to self does 125 myself since i wanted to get something more out of the gym than the androgel could offer...........its just not worth it, the rbc, hematocrit and things getting out of whack, now panic attacks ive never had b4, bp issues ive never had b4, im pretty damn healthy considering, i cant see fin that up for a few pounds of muscle, its just doesnt seem its worth the lesser quality of life...............like i said, im going cold turkey, and gonna ride it out, i have androgel should i start to feel pretty shitty, who knows, my body may just bounce right back, ive only been doing this for 6 months.................i quit cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, weed, all, cold turkey........ill get thru it.....................ill keep hammering in the gym naturally, ive never had really good genetics for this, so be it

So you had low test levels before and a doc put you on HRT? You didnt want to use the gel so you are using IM test on your own?

If you do have a medical condition of low test, you arent going to ever recover. Was your low test level that you had when the doc saw you natural, or brought on by perivous use of AAS?

If you have a true condition, I would go off everything for a couple of months and then see the doc again. Perhaps consider doing his method and see where that gets you. He will monitor everything for you, or at least he should. My HRT doc saw me about once every month at first to do blood tests and adjust my dosage. They will test HCT and what is needed.