Bloodletting - the home way

[Mike Arnold]

Well, when you go to give blood at a bank for the first time you have to fill out a form. On the form they ask you if you have ever used anabolic steroids. If you answer YES, then you are banned from ever giving blood there. They do not want your blood, for whatever reason. My guess is they are worried youre sharing needles or some crap like that. A lot of docs think we all share needles, like we are heroin addicts or something!

Even heroin addicts don't share needles unless they are both retarded and extremely desperate.

I never would have even considered it, no matter how sick I was. Heroin users no longer think it is "cool" to share needles--the huge majority think it is massively stupid.

Anyone that thinks steroid users share needles is beyond ignorant.

 

[Giants83]

Even heroin addicts don't share needles unless they are both retarded and extremely desperate.



I never would have even considered it, no matter how sick I was. Heroin users no longer think it is "cool" to share needles--the huge majority think it is massively stupid.



Anyone that thinks steroid users share needles is beyond ignorant.

So true. I myself am an ex addict and it's so cheap to buy slin pins that you'd have to be extremely retarded to even consider sharing a needle. Unfortunately it's a stigma that's stuck with anyone who uses a syringe including steroid users. It's unfair assumption.

Home blood letting sounds extremely stupid. Donating blood should be part of a cycle and then you'd never have to worry about it. I just go every few months whether I'm on or off cycle. You're saving your life as well as two or three others. Win win.

 

[rookx750]

When donating blood does it bring down all rbc, wbc, and platelets? I know different types of donations effect each of these differently but I have heard conflicting answers from hematologist. Is there any way to bring down your rbc's without having effect on wbc or platelets? Reason I ask is because my wbc and platelets run on the edge of being low yet hemoglobin is a little high ( I have never used aas).

I have heard that bloodletting will only bring down rbc but idk.
Can someone explain in detail the the types of donations and how they effect your blood.

I am asking just for the sake of info or knowledgable answers out of curiosity. I haven't found very much info.

 

[Giants83]

When donating blood does it bring down all rbc, wbc, and platelets? I know different types of donations effect each of these differently but I have heard conflicting answers from hematologist. Is there any way to bring down your rbc's without having effect on wbc or platelets? Reason I ask is because my wbc and platelets run on the edge of being low yet hemoglobin is a little high ( I have never used aas).



I have heard that bloodletting will only bring down rbc but idk.

Can someone explain in detail the the types of donations and how they effect your blood.



I am asking just for the sake of info or knowledgable answers out of curiosity. I haven't found very much info.

I would think donating red blood cells only would only lower you RBC. When I was at the Red Cross donating last week I asked about that and the lady said they draw out your blood, goes through a machine and returns your plasma and platelets. Here's a link. I'd do some research before doing any blood letting.
http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/types-donations/double-red-blood-cells-donation


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[rookx750]

I would think donating red blood cells only would only lower you RBC. When I was at the Red Cross donating last week I asked about that and the lady said they draw out your blood, goes through a machine and returns your plasma and platelets. Here's a link. I'd do some research before doing any blood letting.
Donate Double Red Blood Cells | American Red Cross


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Thanks for your reply. I would never do bloodletting unless under a doc instructions and care. I did to ask about double reds at the blood bank and the nurse told me that whites would also be impacted(don't know if that's true or not) witch deterred me because whites are at the top of my concerns. I am always getting mixed answer from people in the field for some reasons I feel that they think I'm trying to do something sketchy because I ask questions and want to be informed before I do or take something.

 

[WayBigger]

shocked

i can't believe you guys are doing this on your own without Dr supervision.. Within the U.S. anyways..

Go through a Dr. guys!

May Christ protect you all.

 

[Giants83]

Thanks for your reply. I would never do bloodletting unless under a doc instructions and care. I did to ask about double reds at the blood bank and the nurse told me that whites would also be impacted(don't know if that's true or not) witch deterred me because whites are at the top of my concerns. I am always getting mixed answer from people in the field for some reasons I feel that they think I'm trying to do something sketchy because I ask questions and want to be informed before I do or take something.

My suggestion is use google. Just type questions in and read until you come up with an answer. You'll find a definitive answer.

 

[LK3]

I just have to say I love seeing the title of this thread, it makes me laugh every time!

while in theory this is an easy thing, I cringe at the thought of people doing this... so much potential for bad.

as fucked up as it is I did laugh reading the guy who shares his experience with it and in the same sentence points out he almost died later in the week do to a fatal blood clot.

what an endorsement!
lol
no offense cus you almost died and all....

but seriously, this probably belongs on the list of things not to do...

 

[Alias]

Even heroin addicts don't share needles unless they are both retarded and extremely desperate.

I never would have even considered it, no matter how sick I was. Heroin users no longer think it is "cool" to share needles--the huge majority think it is massively stupid.

Anyone that thinks steroid users share needles is beyond ignorant.

True, I don't think I know of any AAS junkies sharing needles.
But back in the day you couldn't buy needles in Ma. Without a scrip, the laws changed about ten years ago and you can now. Point is that back then it was way to common for heroin addicts to share needles... At least in my circle of junkie friends it was. They would share pins with people they knew had Hep-C because they had it too. Lucky for me I never shot that shit, tried snorting it when I was drunk one night but got wicked sick thank god. I think if I had liked it I would probably be injecting something other then Test right now. Most of those dudes are dead or in jail, a couple joined the cult of AA.

I used to bang this one chick, dated actually for a bit she was a total smoker, talking like a 9.8. Smart as hell, good family, masters degree. Shit man she bought a house at 23 and was making good dough. She was talented if you know what I mean. And the sex... Wow! She'd do it all, every which way I could think. Sorry off track.. Anyhow, she got hooked on dope, has Hep-C and god knows what else now. Works as an escort and has two kids she doesn't get to see grow up because she's a junkie loser now. She had the world at her fingertips and tossed it away. A true shame!

Oh ya home bloodletting. I say go to the dr and have it done. What if you put the needle in to drain and pass out, you could die. Better done by the professionals. That's my take on it.

 

[Kaladryn]

Donating whole blood temporarily increases your platelet count, but not by much.

NEVER donate double reds! They put your platelets back! Platelets are what makes the blood "sticky."

High RBC/low platelets=blood is thick, but not sticky.

High RBC/high platelets=blood is thick AND sticky=increased chance of clotting.

 

[ironceltic12]

Donating whole blood temporarily increases your platelet count, but not by much.

NEVER donate double reds! They put your platelets back! Platelets are what makes the blood "sticky."

High RBC/low platelets=blood is thick, but not sticky.

High RBC/high platelets=blood is thick AND sticky=increased chance of clotting.

So you recommend no double reds ever? If my rbc and hematocrit are right on the high end of normal I should just do a regular donation?

 

[Kaladryn]

So you recommend no double reds ever? If my rbc and hematocrit are right on the high end of normal I should just do a regular donation?

NEVER do double red donation (if you have high levels of RBCs)!

Lots of doctors recommend blood donations for health purposes, ALL of them say do WHOLE BLOOD only.

They won't even let people with high hematocrit levels do double reds because of the risk.

Double red donations increase the risk of clotting significantly because they put your platelets back! You want those platelets gone WITH The red blood cells.

It's not the red blood cells that are dangerous, it's the combination of red blood cells AND platelets that is dangerous.

 

[Knowalink]

Donating whole blood temporarily increases your platelet count, but not by much.



NEVER donate double reds! They put your platelets back! Platelets are what makes the blood "sticky."



High RBC/low platelets=blood is thick, but not sticky.



High RBC/high platelets=blood is thick AND sticky=increased chance of clotting.

I think it depends on what the issue is you are trying to solve. If platelets are in normal range and just red blood cell count is elevated, I don't see how a double red donation is a bad option.

 

[< <Samson> >]

My woman does this for me bi-monthly.

It's fairly simple, everything is sterile & I have not had any issues aside from trying with too small of Ga needle the first time.

She is a medical pro(well, about to become one). Without her, I wouldn't be able to do it myself.

Works out well, much less of a hassle than trying to go in. And sometimes we do it more often(depending on my cycles).

To anyone who straight does their own - you have balls of steel. Because it is possible to pass out - you have that shit still stuck in you.

 

[Kaladryn]

I think it depends on what the issue is you are trying to solve. If platelets are in normal range and just red blood cell count is elevated, I don't see how a double red donation is a bad option.

"Normal range" platelets doesn't mean you are safe from clotting, in fact, there is no reason to think anyone would have above normal platelets, even if they threw a clot. The problem isn't the level of platelets, the problem is the red blood cell count and the INCREASED platelet count from giving away 20% of your RBC and none of your platelets (they put most platelets back, not all), they also put back some saline to make up for the missing volume, but this doesn't stay around. The end result is a short period of time where you are at an increased risk for clotting.

Here is the thing, there are many, many factors that control clotting. You could easily have normal crit and normal platelets and throw a clot. The body is in a delicate balance, and taking AAS (ie stimulating epo production) throws that balance off. We are looking to correct that balance to prevent the risk of throwing a clot (also maybe to make the heart not work as hard). So if you are out of balance, I would suggest not giving double reds, which further throws the body off.

This isn't my "theory" this is the advice of several doctors I know who specialize in this kind of stuff (although not a hematologist). Remember, doctors deal with this constantly in patients with CAD, COPD, etc.

There is also a "rebound" effect after giving blood where platelets temporarily rise (even with whole blood), combine this with putting platelets back, and you could have an issue.

There are many other reasons that are over my head that go into the recommendation by "alternative" doctors to always give whole blood.

My woman does this for me bi-monthly.

It's fairly simple, everything is sterile & I have not had any issues aside from trying with too small of Ga needle the first time.

She is a medical pro(well, about to become one). Without her, I wouldn't be able to do it myself.

Works out well, much less of a hassle than trying to go in. And sometimes we do it more often(depending on my cycles).

To anyone who straight does their own - you have balls of steel. Because it is possible to pass out - you have that shit still stuck in you.

Do you monitor your crit? Too low of a crit could seriously impact your performance, bi-monthly donations would lower crit way too much in many people.

 

[biffnbash]

So true. I myself am an ex addict and it's so cheap to buy slin pins that you'd have to be extremely retarded to even consider sharing a needle. Unfortunately it's a stigma that's stuck with anyone who uses a syringe including steroid users. It's unfair assumption.

Home blood letting sounds extremely stupid. Donating blood should be part of a cycle and then you'd never have to worry about it. I just go every few months whether I'm on or off cycle. You're saving your life as well as two or three others. Win win.

I self bleed, I live in a place that due to my travel history will not allow me to donate.

 

[Giants83]

I self bleed, I live in a place that due to my travel history will not allow me to donate.

To each their own brother. Be safe.

 

[Zomb131]

Anyone that thinks steroid users share needles is beyond ignorant.

I'd say the same about people who re-use needles and syringes, but apparently there's a large group of users on this board who do.

My woman does this for me bi-monthly.

It's fairly simple, everything is sterile & I have not had any issues aside from trying with too small of Ga needle the first time.

She is a medical pro(well, about to become one). Without her, I wouldn't be able to do it myself.

Works out well, much less of a hassle than trying to go in. And sometimes we do it more often(depending on my cycles).

To anyone who straight does their own - you have balls of steel. Because it is possible to pass out - you have that shit still stuck in you.

what exactly is a medical pro?

 

[asteelz]

My wife and I did this last year for me , did it in the shower with an 18g in my main line on either side of the forearm , was a long and unnecessarily messy process.

 

[Press]

i have sever anxiety and 95% of the time when i try to give blood my BP is to high. for this reason a while back i tried doing it myself with an 18g but it came out so slow. id definitely never ever do it again. what can i tell my Doc to influence him to right me a script?

luckily yesterday i was able to give blood but would like to know for future reference. i always feel better whenever im able to but in the last 7 or so years ive been able to only give twice.