Bloodpressure/Cholest meds while on?

[musclehealth]

Do any of you use meds to help your lipid profile while on? I have talked with a few people that have mixed opinions.

 

[Tom]

never

i would never, ever put a statin drug into my body. normalize your lipid profile with proper nutrition and exercise.

 

[GorillaGenetics]

I never would either Tom.

My doctor was ready, on the spot,
to write me a script for a statin.
My family history is one with
higher cholesterol so mine was,
for the most part, hereditary.
TRT did not elevate it or my BP.

I said I would not take it. Scribble
away. Just give me time, I'll get it
under control and I did. Went from
241 to 179 with diet and exercise.
And my diet was cleaner than most,
if all, by most standards. And I'm in
better physical shape then 99.9%
of the population. Just trimmed
around the edges and upped the
cardio.

In my opinion, it can be done with
diet and exercise. Just takes the
desire and the will.

thats awesome and i wish we had more doctors promote this kind of thing but unfortunately the american way is just pop a pill and be a lazy piece of shit

 

[Tom]

good read on statins and rhabdomyolysis

In August 2001 the statin drug, Baycol, was removed from the market after causing at least 60 deaths. As a result, the safety of all statin drugs has subsequently come into question. While the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) maintains that statins in common use cause considerably fewer adverse side effects than Baycol, the agency acknowledges that their use does pose some risk.
All statins increase a patient's chances of developing myositis and rhabdomyolysis, potentially fatal conditions that cause muscle pain and muscle deterioration and may lead to kidney failure. According to the FDA, the chances of developing myositis or rhabdomyolysis from statins are low. As such, they remain on the market.


It should be noted that with the exception of Baycol, most doctors believe that the benefits of statin therapy far outweigh the risks associated with this class of drugs. No small part of this belief is based on ignorance, for deaths and disability from rhabdomyolysis is often not effectively communicated to the busy practicing physician.
Until recently my own access to this kind of information was derived primarily from my hundreds of reports from disgruntled statin users. Even some of my astronaut friends have been ravaged by statins with disabling aches and pains, persisting years after the offending statin was discontinued. Many of the letters I receive report this kind of problem, muscle pain appearing shortly after starting their statin that appears to be permanent in that it does not go away even after years.

Reports of rhabdomyolysis have been sparse but I put that in the category of "dead men tell no tales" for deaths are rarely reported to me. The letters I have received have been mostly narrow escapes from rhabdomyolysis of the type publicized in Smart Money magazine of the unfortunate husband of Sharon Hope, who only now is becoming somewhat functional but not at all like he was in his former CEO capacity.

Since so many of these cases were associated with the use of Lipitor I had come to think of Lipitor as a primary cause of this problem. I have since learned that this is not so for FDA records reveal the surprising truth that all of the powerful statins share the potential for severe muscle damage, occasionally with kidney failure and death.

A review of FDA records on statin use up to the year 2000 revealed that a surprising 81 rhabdomyolysis deaths and over 385 hospitalizations for rhabdomyolysis were caused by a statin other than Baycol (cerivastatin). Of these 81 deaths, 13 were due to Lipitor (atorvastatin), 27 were due to Mevacor (lovastatin) 10 were due to Pravachol (pravastatin) and 30 deaths were due to Zocor (simvastatin).


These rather astonishing figures were those up to the year 2000. Since that time promotion and sales of all statins have sky-rocketed, higher and higher dosage levels are in vogue and the super-powerful statin, Crestor, has been added. When the FDA finally sees fit to release current figures for rhabdomyolysis deaths and hospitalizations, I should not be surprised to learn that the pre 2000 figures will be quadrupled.
All this to lower one's cholesterol in a research environment that increasingly is telling us of cholesterol's irrelevancy in the atherosclerotic process. We now increasingly think that inflammation is the culprit. Why then this misguided focus on cholesterol? Yes, statin drugs are powerful anti-inflammatory agents. That appears to be their mechanism of action in cardiovascular risk reduction. It makes sense to me that dosing of these powerful drugs should be based on inflammatory markers not cholesterol levels.

Duane Graveline MD MPH
Former USAF Flight Surgeon
Former NASA Astronaut
Retired Family Doctor

 

[geo1958]

I never would either Tom.

x3

Also recall reading a while back there was a suspected connection between statins and Parkinsons. Don't know if that was ever proven or not.

 

[MrCyp]

3g daily of hawthorn berry
1g tumeric with black pepper extract
8g fish oil
400mg coq10
500mg flush free niacin
and a clean diet

Even with all that your lipids can still be effected by specific gear and anti-e's but statins come with some nasty sides. I wonder about the red yeast from china though. That supposedly really helps lipids but i wonder if it still comes with the same sides as statins, b/c if thats the case then better off just using statins.

 

[Athlete]

500mg flush free niacin

I wouldn't use the flush free though... not the same thing as regular niacin at all. A lot of the positive effects of niacin comes from widening of the arteries... and that's the flushing we feel.
Without that, more than half of the positive effect of niacin is gone.

As someone once said, flush-free niacin is a scam. It doesn't help at all.

And for the best effect, I would use REGULAR Niacin in a cyclic way... the widening effect subsides after a while, so I would do it this way:

week 1: 500mg
week 2: 1000mg
week 3: 1500mg

etc.. up to 3000mg... then 1-2 weeks off, repeat the cycle.

Some people recommend you check your liver values if you go as high as 3g. I don't know if it's necessary if you cycle the dosage, but it still doesn't hurt to do.

 

[totalrecomp]

I always run Hawthorn and RYR with Coq10. I use conservative dosages of the RYR and have never had a problem.

 

[jm425]

I'm on 3 bp meds. I've had a history with men on my dad's side that have had high bp. I do plenty of cardio and lift regularly yet I still have to be on these meds.