Bloodwork after cycle using PCT of triptorelin, second PCT?

[PLer1290]

I was on for 5 months doing a blast/cruise type cycle. PCT was one 100mcg shot of triptorelin along with Nolva at 40/40/20/20 and aromasin at 25/25/12.5/12.5 and DAA at 3g ED. I used HCG on cycle but no AI. Here is Bloodwork 4 weeks post PCT:

Testosterone, serum: 455 (249-836)
LH: 8.7 (1.7-8.6)
FSH: 5.0 (1.5-12-4)
Estradiol: 45.6 (7.6-42.6)

I have barely any libido, ED, and I'm getting weaker and smaller. I don't have much motivation to go to the gym. I'm thinking of doing a second PCT of clomid, torem, aromasin, DAA, and possibly some HCG the first 2 weeks because I still have some testicular atrophy. Any opinions?

 

[BIG EVIL42]

I was on for 5 months doing a blast/cruise type cycle. PCT was one 100mcg shot of triptorelin along with Nolva at 40/40/20/20 and aromasin at 25/25/12.5/12.5 and DAA at 3g ED. I used HCG on cycle but no AI. Here is Bloodwork 4 weeks post PCT:

Testosterone, serum: 455 (249-836)
LH: 8.7 (1.7-8.6)
FSH: 5.0 (1.5-12-4)
Estradiol: 45.6 (7.6-42.6)

I have barely any libido, ED, and I'm getting weaker and smaller. I don't have much motivation to go to the gym. I'm thinking of doing a second PCT of clomid, torem, aromasin, DAA, and possibly some HCG the first 2 weeks because I still have some testicular atrophy. Any opinions?

So how long has it been since the triptorelin shot? Everything is in range except your estroidal is high, my guess is that is where your ED is coming from.

 

[PLer1290]

It's been 8 weeks. But I'm 21 my test levels should be much higher I think

 

[Hulkules]

Get back on aromasin to get your estra down. Your LH is fine so hcg is not needed and will delay recovery more. Get some MG supertest boost (daa) and libido-4 from true protein to get your test up and help with libido. Clomid and torem are overkill with the trip

 

[MoCo]

I was on for 5 months doing a blast/cruise type cycle. PCT was one 100mcg shot of triptorelin along with Nolva at 40/40/20/20 and aromasin at 25/25/12.5/12.5 and DAA at 3g ED. I used HCG on cycle but no AI. Here is Bloodwork 4 weeks post PCT:

Testosterone, serum: 455 (249-836)
LH: 8.7 (1.7-8.6)
FSH: 5.0 (1.5-12-4)
Estradiol: 45.6 (7.6-42.6)

I have barely any libido, ED, and I'm getting weaker and smaller. I don't have much motivation to go to the gym. I'm thinking of doing a second PCT of clomid, torem, aromasin, DAA, and possibly some HCG the first 2 weeks because I still have some testicular atrophy. Any opinions?

Honestly, I think those numbers look really good considering you've been off just 8 weeks after a 5 month cycle. Like somebody else said you may want to get the Estradiol under control. But your Testosterone levels aren't terrible and LH looks good - so just give it some time and I'm sure you'll see it continue to rise.

 

[Userat204]

You don't need another pct. You did this the smart way buy using trip then nolva/AI only. Clomid and torem work in similar ways but are counter productive when used with trip.

It's hard to say your TT should be higher because you don't have a baseline. Your lh and fsh look good so that tells me your body is in recovering stages and creating test.

Don't run clomid and torem together as they both act the same at the pituitary.

Your estro is a little high. 25-35 is a better range. A little time should do you some good. But how long after you stopped nolva did you get the blood work?

I had a guy run this same pct. He had low TT in 300's prior to cycle and after with that pct his TT moved up into the 400's.

What other compounds did you run? The ED could be prolactin if you used any 19nors or could be SHBG. If no 19nors give it more time, but if you did run one you may want to check prolactin levels.

 

[PLer1290]

You don't need another pct. You did this the smart way buy using trip then nolva/AI only. Clomid and torem work in similar ways but are counter productive when used with trip.

It's hard to say your TT should be higher because you don't have a baseline. Your lh and fsh look good so that tells me your body is in recovering stages and creating test.

Don't run clomid and torem together as they both act the same at the pituitary.

Your estro is a little high. 25-35 is a better range. A little time should do you some good. But how long after you stopped nolva did you get the blood work?

I had a guy run this same pct. He had low TT in 300's prior to cycle and after with that pct his TT moved up into the 400's.

What other compounds did you run? The ED could be prolactin if you used any 19nors or could be SHBG. If no 19nors give it more time, but if you did run one you may want to check prolactin levels.

Bloodwork 4 weeks after I got off the nolva.

I ran tren on and off throughout. Should I try dosing caber at 1mg E3D? And what can I do about the SHBG?

 

[BIG EVIL42]

Get back on aromasin to get your estra down. Your LH is fine so hcg is not needed and will delay recovery more. Get some MG supertest boost (daa) and libido-4 from true protein to get your test up and help with libido. Clomid and torem are overkill with the trip

You have only been off 8 weeks, really only 5 weeks since AAS all esters have cleared your system. Definately no Clomid or torem as Hulkules mentions.... Both will work against the Trip shot. Get your estro under control with adex and since you ran tren, maybe some caber 3x/wk at .5 mg in case prolactin levels are high. I would let SGBH balance out on it own.

 

[PLer1290]

You have only been off 8 weeks, really only 5 weeks since AAS all esters have cleared your system. Definately no Clomid or torem as Hulkules mentions.... Both will work against the Trip shot. Get your estro under control with adex and since you ran tren, maybe some caber 3x/wk at .5 mg in case prolactin levels are high. I would let SGBH balance out on it own.

Well the triptorelin shot was 8 weeks ago, hasn't it cleared by now?

 

[BIG EVIL42]

Well the triptorelin shot was 8 weeks ago, hasn't it cleared by now?

From the research I have done, read about, and discussed here at PM, many have debated yet concluded you would still be taking the chance of over-stimulation (causing a castration-like effect).

Look at your LH and FSH..they look great... It is not a risk I would take. Why not just get estro under control (obvious first step), and look at prolactin control with caber...... then re-evaluate how you're feeling and get more bloodwork done?

 

[PLer1290]

From the research I have done, read about, and discussed here at PM, many have debated yet concluded you would still be taking the chance of over-stimulation (causing a castration-like effect).

Look at your LH and FSH..they look great... It is not a risk I would take. Why not just get estro under control (obvious first step), and look at prolactin control with caber...... then re-evaluate how you're feeling and get more bloodwork done?

Sounds good. Will use aromasin 25/25/25/12.5/12.5 and DAA and caber 0.5mg E3D.

 

[Stewie]

Hey Pler, Slow down My friend
You need too look global when putting effort into homoestasis.
Cholesterol. ...where's this at, this is where it all begins (for the most part )
If out of range. ...Correct! And continue too address a healthy diet,Not just for hormonal status. ...For overall health.
Thyroid function. ...where's this at? May be the cause of you feeling run down?
These exogenous hormones you've taken can inadvertently affect thyroid circulating hormones. Or it may be as simple as iodine deficiency? ....Its hard too say without proper blood work.

Where's Your CBC at? Metabolic panel? TIBC with saturation and ferritin?
Have you dumped any blood? If So how many times? If you did did you supplement with ferrous sulfate or any other type of iron? Iron and ferritin are bound in the blood. ..Anemia can be the end result <and decreased thyroid function from low ferritin levels.
Blood glucose. ....? Pler My friend. ...go global. ..look at the body as a whole, work on deficiencies that you can correct by diet and and natural supplements, and dumping these exogenous drugs. ...for the time being.
Our hormones are very delicate, and your very young.

The numbers you posted look good, besides E2, even then. .I wouldn't over do it with aromisin..two or three small doses over a couple week period.

I wish you the best

 

[TeknoViking]

Everyone pretty much summed it up I would for sure add some caber as well it will help with any ed problems you are having as well. Raging boners all day long.

 

[PLer1290]

Can anyone explain why my LH is so high but my test is on the lower end?

 

[Stewie]

Your LH isn't that high and Your TT isn't That low. .
..
I'm speculating here on LH being slightly out of range. ...This maybe from lagging DAA or trip? Or that maybe your normal range? Unlikely. ..but possible
Example. ..when we see our Creatinine levels slightly above range, we instantly think the worst. Now if these numbers were doubled, it would be advisable to see your doctor to further test you for testicular failure.
IMO its from the lagging effect of post cycle therapy.
If in doubt check with your PCP.

Your TT is fine, we as people think our testosterone in a state of homoestasis should always be on the upper range.
You just came off of a heavy androgen cycle...IMO your hormones you posted are Good. ..for the exception of E2.

As mentioned earlier go global, fix or address one thing at a time, hopefully the rest falls into place.

Can anyone explain why my LH is so high but my test is on the lower end?

 

[PLer1290]

So if my LH, FSH, and test are good, why am I still atrophied?

 

[Stewie]

If I lived in the northern US. ..my nuts would be snuggled up too. ...j/k
If Your concerned ,as you should be. ..you might want to set an appointment with your PCP to run more test That can help determine If Your HTPA is functional, as others have stated Your #'s look good with the exception of E2. ..If This is left alone and continues to rise. ...You will be shut down, as estrodiol/estrogen is a stronger suppressor on the HTPA.
On a serious note. ..hows your semen volume?

So if my LH, FSH, and test are good, why am I still atrophied?

 

[PLer1290]

If I lived in the northern US. ..my nuts would be snuggled up too. ...j/k
If Your concerned ,as you should be. ..you might want to set an appointment with your PCP to run more test That can help determine If Your HTPA is functional, as others have stated Your #'s look good with the exception of E2. ..If This is left alone and continues to rise. ...You will be shut down, as estrodiol/estrogen is a stronger suppressor on the HTPA.
On a serious note. ..hows your semen volume?

Semen volume is normal. Maybe a tiny bit more than it was pre cycle. But that could also be because I'm jerking off less. Why?

 

[PLer1290]

Bump.

Still have some atrophy, ED is still here, still low libido. Cialis not doing much. No morning wood.

Been taking caber 0.5mg twice per week and aromasin 25mg ED and DAA 3g ED.

Any advice?

 

[Stewie]

No morning wood and the use Cialis with little to No erection is generally a tell, tell sign that you've tanked your E2. BACK OFF the AI for awhile and see if this doesn't resolve.

As far as the atrophy goes....hopefully Intratesticular aromatize isn't the culprit, this is Just speculation?