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Bloodwork while on cycle

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So I wanted to get a snapshot of what my blood work looked like while on at the very end of my cycle, thinking that should be worst case scenario. Didn't want to go dropping down to TRT of 100mg/wk and 4 weeks later go check....that would be BS'ing myself. Anyhow...cycle was 600 mg/wk of Ultrarip (50/50/50 of tren a/test p/mast) and then for the last 6 weeks I started running my test cyp again at 400mg/wk as I pushed harder on my recomp. So I managed to drop 40# off an unsightly 289# frame....completely changed the way I looked in 12 weeks...so very successful from that standpoint. However, blood work was more off than I thought. One of the reasons I wanted to do a mini-blast was to push hard and get the weight off quickly....get my cholesterol levels and BP down. Diet was on point for 11 of the 12 weeks as I had a vacation in there at about the 9 week mark where I just ate what I wanted. I also ran DNP for a few weeks which most definitely helped on the fat losses...pretty incredible stuff.

So my supps along the line....

Curcumin (life Extension) 3 tabs/day (1200mg) (ran out 2 weeks before BW)
Vitamin K2 (LE)
Ubiquinol (LE)
Citrus Bergamot (Jarrow) 2 tabs/day (1000mg)
Tadalfil 12.5mg/day for first few weeks, then had to bump to 25mg/day

The Tadalifil really helped with my prostate and BPH that flares up like a mofo just looking at a little bit of test. Started taking it while on TRT as it eliminated the BPH issue. I figured it can't hurt as far as BP goes either.

Anyhow, see results below. Was disappointed that cholesterol actually worsened while on despite the cardio 5x/wk (HIIT for the most part, 20-30 min) and hematocrit was as high as it was (looks like I need to go give some blood and get rechecked). Now the estrogen number came as a complete shock to me as I showed zero symptoms of high estrogen. My libido was great, no puffy nips or tenderness, no mood issues...really nothing to speak of that would of clued me on to what was really happening there. I haven't cycled in years, but I never had to run AI's on my test/EQ cycles as I never had any high E sides (although now I am wondering if it was high and I just didn't know it as back then I got tested after PCT).

Am looking to make another push to get myself down to 235-240 and absolutely love what the Ultrarip did for me....wanted to run it again, but I either need to figure out what to use to combat these markers that are off or use something else. I did go ahead and get the BP monitor that some of you have recommended on here to keep a daily or weekly read on that. Hopefully some of you that have experienced some of these markers can chime in once again as I am one of those guys that soaks up all of that experience and tries to incorporate in an effort to get healthier. Maybe I just need to come down much slower and stick with my TRT only which was 20mg test c 5x/wk subq...got my t levels from 330 up to 990 (although looking back I should have added the estradiol test to also make sure that was in check).

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I'm 55 our numbers are similar and actually mine don't change much on or off. You should consider donating blood to get those numbers down hematocrit, RBC ect...
Deca was really raising my PSA switched to NPP and now back to normal. Cialis 10mg eod helps too as you mentioned.
 
Just saw a blood drive next town over from me tomorrow morning...scheduled myself to give blood.
 
Actually I do the double red cell donation its every 4 months.
BTW there is lots of info on here about donating blood to reduce your levels.
In case your new to it.
 
New to donating blood....the double red cell donation seems to make more sense seeing as my red blood cell count is high. Trying to search on that brings back about 50% of all threads posted! lol
 
my opinion

Good to see a member get a get blood test during a cycle (worst case scenario?). You be smart :)

As people are staying on longer, and on larger, more diverse ‘cycles’, it becomes increasingly more
important in my opinion, to get your blood work done and change what you can to be with range.

The out-of-range numbers, usually, when held onto longer than not, are the deal breaker down the
road. When you are young and for the most part invincible (how many 20 something’s do we see
died in this sport?) I think you have more latitude . . . how much is very individual.

It would be interesting to see some before and after cycle photos of you, to see if it was worth it.
My thinks you could have made the same gains naturally, but you could be an advanced bodybuilder,
who has exceeded his natural potential.

At any rate, again, good job with the blood tests on cycle. All the ‘bad’ news should be easy to correct
when you come off. Just don’t know how long you want to live that way when on . . . roll the dice . . .
 
Getting blood done during a cycle is smart despite what some think! It let's you know what's happening when you're on. It's good that you were on for a limited amount of time and had goal. There are those that stay on year round and never get blood work...We'll hear from them or about them eventually.

I was surprised to hear you say that you never used an AI...That's really important. Why would wait until there was symptoms caused by high estrogen to take something? There's been quite a bit posted here on the dangers of this.

You definitely need to hydrate before you go in to give blood...If I remember correctly, most places won't let you donate with Hemoglobin over 18...Yours is 18.5.
 
Alfresco - I'll post up a before and after tomorrow...it was worth it to me.

As for the AI's....back when I did cycle I had blood work done a couple of times...never saw estrogen that far off...not even close. Never showed any outward signs of elevated estrogen either, so rarely used AI's. Clearly here I needed it. Am going to start running Arimidex at .5mg/day until I bring it down then will run it less frequently to keep it down and not tank it. Any ideas on how long I should run it daily before getting it retested to see if it is back down within range?

Went and gave blood yesterday. Hydrated beforehand...hemoglobin was at 18. Nurse said 20 and above and they won't do it (or would with a doctors note?). Anyhow...BP past 2 days was 140/80.....130/80 this morning. I am going to start giving regularly from here on out....it's good for me and good for others in need. Of course, legs was extra fun yesterday afternoon. Nurse told me no heavy lifting for 24 hrs ...just said "yeah....that ain't gonna happen" lol
 
I ran thru it quick someday

Creatinine is too high
GFR is getting low
This would start to worry me but I don't know if you lifted the day previous to this which would skewer results but if it was me I would start taking Astralagus morning and night for kidney help

Next: cholesterol too high, hdl slightly low, LDL way too high.
solution: clean up diet a little bit and get on Citrus Bergamot (Jarrow Brand) 500mg morning and night...this will drop your cholesterol and your LDL dramatically and your hdl will go up into the 40's and maybe 50's

Next T3 Uptake: don't even worry bout this...pretty much useless reading

Next Hematocrit too high, hemoglobin too high.....you would be shut off from TRT from a doctor if he saw your hematocrit that high so you need to get that under control
Things you can do
Reduce your Heme iron intake which over time will slightly and I mean slightly lower these levels.
Take IP6 4 caps at bed which will chelate iron out of your body (men store iron, women lose iron every month in their period)...This will drop your hemoglobin slightly and I mean ever so slightly but it will go down 1/2 point to point.
Give blood at regular intervals

Estradiol: GOT TO GET ON THIS PRONTO.....that's not good for heart health, prostate and a myriad of other health problems. High estro levels can cause blood clots, heart disease and the road to BPH and prostate cancer...you need to get his in check Why Estrogen Balance is Critical to Aging Men ? Life Extension

If it was me I would take exemestane/aromasin at 12.5 mg every day until further blood work showed where you are estradiol wise and you adjust the dosage accordingly

PS: after scanning above I see you are on some of the supps I recommend...then that tells me that the estradiol levels are probably raising havoc and your pushing the gas and the brake at the same time so the supplements cant do their thing...got to get the estradiol level down

I would get on a pill of carditone morn and carditone night right now until you get your BP stabilized. Someday aren't you into your 40's? You do not want to be 289 or have any kind of higher BP in your 40's.
 
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First and foremost, fix that BP! Also, smart to donate blood. I'd try to find another blood drive so you can donate again ASAP since once probably isn't enough with a hematocrit that high. If not, schedule a hematologist and get a phlebotomy.

Also, the blend you used means you were on 600mg of prop, 600mg tren, and 600mg mast? Got a little confused there
 
Also, the blend you used means you were on 600mg of prop, 600mg tren, and 600mg mast? Got a little confused there

It was a 150mg/ml blend in total, so 600mg total/wk. That's one of the things that really surprised me about this blood work. A gram total for the last 6 weeks...clearly I don't need much to really throw things out of whack.

Dante - thanks for chiming in.....have read all of your posts on this subject over the past couple of years and went back and reread a lot of them after getting this blood work back to see what I was missing. My baseline blood work before starting TRT had my estradiol at 19.7, so clearly this huge jump was self-induced. On the bright side, actually getting tested shows me what I need to do. Thanks for that link....that is some pretty astounding statistics on high estrogen levels (and low t levels, which I had seen before when researching TRT). Sounds like it isn't even a question of if....but when. I am already on this stuff, but will add the IP6 and carditone ASAP...any little bit helps.

For reference, and one of the reasons I decided to make a hard push to bring my weight down quickly was my base line blood test when I was simply a 289# fat ass...my cholesterol was....

Total 224
Tri 127
HDL 50
LDL 149
Ratio 4.5

And my BP got checked at 145/85, so I thought just cleaning up my diet, bringing down the weight significantly and making cardio a regular part of my week would fix everything. Looking at my BP now daily tells me it is still too high on a regular basis. If bringing my weight down further and staying on a clean diet doesn't improve this soon, I will talk to a doctor about BP medication. Trying to exhaust other avenues first before going prescription med route, but I'm not going to let this linger either. Thanks again for the added info.

It would be interesting to see some before and after cycle photos of you, to see if it was worth it.

Don't have any same pose photos like I did when I was working with someone, but these 2 at least give you a sense of where I was and am now. Still have some work to do, but that was the point of this thread....how to attack that last 20# in a healthier manner.
 

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Doesn't tren cause false high estrogen readings?? I've heard this before. And everyone I know who got bloodwork on tren showed crazy high readings, yet if they took an AI they somehow crushed estrogen quickly or at least symptoms showed that.
 
Doesn't tren cause false high estrogen readings?? I've heard this before. And everyone I know who got bloodwork on tren showed crazy high readings, yet if they took an AI they somehow crushed estrogen quickly or at least symptoms showed that.


High is one thing, mine in this last round was ridiculous! I am going to test again soon as I am starting the arimidex today....just need to get a sense of when as I am back to TRT doses and want to avoid exactly what you are talking about...crushing estrogen levels. I will just test more often so I can see real numbers behind what I am feeling on the outside. Looking back over the past few weeks, it now dawns on me that my prostrate was bothering me again even with the tadalafil and my sex drive seemed to be a bit off...easy to see why with blood work. I've seen a few others on here already say what I am coming to the realization of now...maintaining the right test/estrogen levels is toughest part of this.
 
Just an update for those that like to go and re-test to see if what they are doing has an effect. So as I mentioned, I went and gave blood. I just started back up on the Ultrarip at 600 mg/wk for this next 12 week cut (actually started 2 weeks ago). I have added the carditone and plycogen and have been monitoring my BP...still hovering around the mid 130's, but it was at that level when I went back to low dose TRT for a few weeks too, so BP is still a work in progress.

Anyhow, RBC, Hemoglobin and hematocrit were all high last time (5.89, 18.5 and 55.3, respectively). After the added sups and blood donation, they almost all came back into range (5.59, 17.7 and 52, respectively). All dropped...hematocrit is one point beyond the range, but better than before when I was also on cycle. Due to give blood again on Nov. 9, so that will definitely help again.

Estrogen still an issue...dropped from 181.4 to 142.7, so the .5mg of arimidex/day I am taking doesn't seem to be doing enough. Will need to re-evaluate that one because the E2 needs to go down quite a bit more. I also decided to add in HCG 2x week to bring back at least some of my natural production...both LH and FSH were non-existent and am convinced now that HCG belongs in my protocol always (will keep it in as a regular item on TRT going forward). Anyhow...spent $55 to get a female hormone profile to check most of the main culprits that were off last time and to see what was working and what still needed work. Well worth the $$$. Next one will be a full profile again so I can recheck cholesterol and the rest of the markers.
 

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