Blowing up to 270lb

[luki7788]

too much in my opinion, if you want growth you have to be careful about mixing eq and tren are not the key to growth.

I would do that
1.5-2.5g test and oral mix - are the key to growth
deca high dose, will give high progesterone levels which will work synergistically with gh
insulin ok, but not such a large dose right away
I would not jump immediately from 3.5 to 6k kcal because it will end up with fat

 

[Ironman 580]

too much in my opinion, if you want growth you have to be careful about mixing eq and tren are not the key to growth.

I would do that
1.5-2.5g test and oral mix - are the key to growth
deca high dose, will give high progesterone levels which will work synergistically with gh
insulin ok, but not such a large dose right away
I would not jump immediately from 3.5 to 6k kcal because it will end up with fat

Really interesting Luki- are u saying tren or eq alone with the test will be ok for growth But not together or neither?

 

[luki7788]

Really interesting Luki- are u saying tren or eq alone with the test will be ok for growth But not together or neither?

I'm not saying that the tren + eq combination is bad but it is definitely not optimal when it comes to mass building. I like EQ but in preparation or focus work, not in a cycle that aims to maximize height. Then the agents that increase the level of progesterone, which is very important and necessary for growth, work best. In addition, the base that really builds is a high test and oral, a good dose of gh and insulin, inclerex if there are funds for it and a mutation occurs.

 

[bigdog123]

Revised -

1500 test
1000 primo
100 drol a day

Hgh, slin, igf as it was

Food 4500 initially

Thanks

 

[JJT]

I'm not saying that the tren + eq combination is bad but it is definitely not optimal when it comes to mass building. I like EQ but in preparation or focus work, not in a cycle that aims to maximize height. Then the agents that increase the level of progesterone, which is very important and necessary for growth, work best. In addition, the base that really builds is a high test and oral, a good dose of gh and insulin, inclerex if there are funds for it and a mutation occurs.

Hey luki, why is progestrone important for growth? Also what is it that you mean by focus work?

 

[jeroendebleser]

To all the members saying this is too much of a jump in PEDs, too much of a jump in calories, you're going to feel like shit - have any of you done anything remotely similar? What have you topped your weight / doses / caloric intake out at? Have any of you been 250+lbs. lean? And not shredded, I just mean respectably lean.

I get people want to share opinions, but this is Professional Muscle - it's supposed to be for hardcore bodybuilding.

Agreed. I think it sounds like a plan bigdog but be wary of your quadriceps though because we all know how it can go when you get back in the swing of things... Before you know it you'll re-injure yourself so keep an eye on that.

 

[omoplata]

I'm not saying that the tren + eq combination is bad but it is definitely not optimal when it comes to mass building. I like EQ but in preparation or focus work, not in a cycle that aims to maximize height. Then the agents that increase the level of progesterone, which is very important and necessary for growth, work best. In addition, the base that really builds is a high test and oral, a good dose of gh and insulin, inclerex if there are funds for it and a mutation occurs.

Awesome answer
not the first time I heard about the importance of progesterone from a top notch guy
Question: if for whatever reason, someone doesn't like the progesterone-boosting compounds too much, can he simply add a small amount of progesterone to the cycle?
Also, if you are hoping to get somewhat but not 100% shutdown from a cycle, I believe progesterone is a no-no, is that true? I was under the impression that it shuts you down hard. True?

 

[luki7788]

Hey luki, why is progestrone important for growth? Also what is it that you mean by focus work?

Progesterone is key to growth because little progrestorone = little androgens and vice versa. There is also nothing like progesterone gynecomastia - this is the confusion of progesterone with the synthetic progestins that cause gynecomastia. As proof, I will say that progesterone cream has been used successfully for a long time to combat gynecomastia. In addition, progesterone antagonizes the effects induced by estrogen, including preventing the conversion of weak estrone to stronger estradiol.

 

[luki7788]

Awesome answer
not the first time I heard about the importance of progesterone from a top notch guy
Question: if for whatever reason, someone doesn't like the progesterone-boosting compounds too much, can he simply add a small amount of progesterone to the cycle?
Also, if you are hoping to get somewhat but not 100% shutdown from a cycle, I believe progesterone is a no-no, is that true? I was under the impression that it shuts you down hard. True?

I think that in this case, adding a pure form of progesterone to the cycle would not be a bad idea, but in my opinion nothing will replace the 19-nor group during the period of mass building, but this is just my personal opinion that you will give years of experience on yourself and others

 

[omoplata]

I think that in this case, adding a pure form of progesterone to the cycle would not be a bad idea, but in my opinion nothing will replace the 19-nor group during the period of mass building, but this is just my personal opinion that you will give years of experience on yourself and others

Thanks a lot Luki
Is pure progesterone very supressive?
Reason I ask is I saw some guys use it pre-bed for sleep and also for combating high-stress situations. Some of these guys are not on AAS and they may care about shutdown.

"nothing will replace the 19-nor group during the period of mass building"
in your opinion, what's the best mass building combination, period. of course, it depends on the individual and the circumstances but just for the heck of it I really feel curious what your answer might be. (yeah a newbie question, coming from a guy who gives newbies tons of crap on other forums... well really felt like asking -sorry)

 

[Joshua82]

Luki, in your opinion would adding 300mg of npp a week to a cycle of 1.2g test 750mg eq be enough of a progesterone boost for good growth?

 

[luki7788]

Thanks a lot Luki
Is pure progesterone very supressive?
Reason I ask is I saw some guys use it pre-bed for sleep and also for combating high-stress situations. Some of these guys are not on AAS and they may care about shutdown.

"nothing will replace the 19-nor group during the period of mass building"
in your opinion, what's the best mass building combination, period. of course, it depends on the individual and the circumstances but just for the heck of it I really feel curious what your answer might be. (yeah a newbie question, coming from a guy who gives newbies tons of crap on other forums... well really felt like asking -sorry)

In my opinion, the best combination for muscle growth
high test
orals anadrol / dbol
deca or tren or combination of both (tren only if you have no digestive problems on it)
gh
insulins

 

[luki7788]

Luki, in your opinion would adding 300mg of npp a week to a cycle of 1.2g test 750mg eq be enough of a progesterone boost for good growth?

If you want real big gains, nandrolone in a high dose, if you want to use EQ in this cycle, then possibly as an addition to improving your appetite. That is my opinion and many top coaches from the world of bodybuilding.

Of course, I will emphasize once again if your goal is to increase muscle tissue as much as possible because on EQ you will also build it, but this is rather a measure for people who already have this mass and want a more jagged and 3D look

 

[Joshua82]

Gotcha. I’ve used a higher dose of deca once and did grow incredibly well but sexual sides were terrible, even cialis barely helped. Can’t do that to the gf again.

 

[luki7788]

Gotcha. I’ve used a higher dose of deca once and did grow incredibly well but sexual sides were terrible, even cialis barely helped. Can’t do that to the gf again.

So use dht - suggests 50 mg of Proviron daily for high nandrolone sugar for libido problems

 

[bigdog123]

Luki what dose do you max out at again ?

Was it 4-5g of AAS?

 

[b-boy]

I would much rather people tell it to me straight that just be a cheering section....

Guy is just coming off an injury, what’s wrong with being smart about shit?

I wasn't going to reply to his post because I know I was going to be an asshole with my post, thank you for your response and level head thinking

 

[b-boy]

Funny, I don’t see this as huge dosages.

maybe Dbol will wreck your stomach.

Besides that everything else seems pretty eh normal?

Guys gonna flip out too much or whatever..

Not everyone’s body is the same, I can run 1g Tren / Test and feel fine?

Have buddy’s running 250+MG test 100-200mg tren feel like dogshit.

Well see how he does in next few weeks? But DBOL does seem a bit eh crazy.

Where I'm from drol is anadrol, and 200mg a day is some BIG BOY shit, will destroy your appetite and make you feel like shit all by itself, so to the OP... good luck eating all that food on 200mg drol daily.

 

[iamdwalrus]

To all the members saying this is too much of a jump in PEDs, too much of a jump in calories, you're going to feel like shit - have any of you done anything remotely similar? What have you topped your weight / doses / caloric intake out at? Have any of you been 250+lbs. lean? And not shredded, I just mean respectably lean.

I get people want to share opinions, but this is Professional Muscle - it's supposed to be for hardcore bodybuilding.

I tried it in my mid twenties not 250 but around 235 since I'm only 5'6 and frame and genetics was a limitation. I started having colon problems because of all the calories I was taking in.

 

[maldorf]

Where I'm from drol is anadrol, and 200mg a day is some BIG BOY shit, will destroy your appetite and make you feel like shit all by itself, so to the OP... good luck eating all that food on 200mg drol daily.

I agree. I saw that and thought the same as you. For me 100 mg/ day made me feel like crap. 50 was ok.