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Bulking Tip for hardgainers

Sorry if I was rude above but it just gets annoying. You write 1 tip for hardgainers clearly stating it won't work for everyone and has to be done under specific circusmtances. Then you get some random bypassing all that and stating it's not one size fits all and weightgainers just increase the risk of diabetes and make you fat :eek: I am up to 32mg tren (other factor in my high carb intake) and it's working :eek::D
 
Been doing this with serious mass by optimum and it makes getting the calories in a lot easier. Any suggestions for a gainer that tastes the best?
 
Been doing this with serious mass by optimum and it makes getting the calories in a lot easier. Any suggestions for a gainer that tastes the best?

I have used that brand in the past as well. It's pretty standard and tasted nice. EDIT- I am actually using ON's Gold standard gainer now which is decent quality and contains 115g carbs per serving (gonna up from that). Most brands I have tasted has been nice. Carnivor did do a blue raspberry and that was awful though. But you can't go wrong with their chocolate flavour. I also didn't like Scitec's Jumbo weightgainer but that has alsorts of things added to it. It's hard to fuck up a weightgainers for taste. That dymatize super mass product looks like it would be good. I am using their protein now and it tastes great. You can't go wrong with chocolate or strawberry for their protein powder. The older ones I used had a higher fat content which I am trying to avoid now. I may rotate between Musclemeds and Dymatize.
 
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I have used that brand in the past as well. It's pretty standard and tasted nice. Most brands I have tasted has been nice. Carnivor did do a blue raspberry and that was awful though. But you can't go wrong with their chocolate flavour. I also didn't like Scitec's Jumbo weightgainer but that has alsorts of things added to it. It's hard to fuck up a weightgainers for taste. That dymatize super mass product looks like it would be good. I am using their protein now and it tastes great. You can't go wrong with chocolate or strawberry for their protein powder. The older ones I used had a higher fat content which I am trying to avoid now. I may rotate between Musclemeds and Dymatize.

I just ordered Rich Chocolate Dymatize super mass gainer.

I will let ya know what it tastes like when I get it.
 
I just ordered Rich Chocolate Dymatize super mass gainer.

I will let ya know what it tastes like when I get it.

Please do. I had that flavour in the protein and it was nice so I am sure with all those carbs added it should be like a chocolate milkshake :p
 
I just ordered Rich Chocolate Dymatize super mass gainer.

I will let ya know what it tastes like when I get it.

Another tip is to drink it slowly. The problem with these high calorie shakes are they are obviously massive. It's a lot of powder so make it with plenty of water and drink it very slowly. Guys who drink quickly are pretty much guaranteed to get bloated and have some issues. You may still have issues drinking it slowly but it helps matters.

Nothing is exact but at least 20 mins. For me I would say 3 hours between larger meals sounds about right. So if I have a big shake I sometimes even drink it at my desk slowly over about 1 hour. That means your stomach isn't hit with such a large volume of fluids/cals straightaway. I sip it over about an hour and within approx 2 hours I can eat again. Definitely makes a big difference for me.
 
Planned on writing an ebook sometime for hardgainers, being that I started at
6'3" 150 lbs. I was one of those "I can eat whatever I want and not gain a
pound" people. Now I laugh because I know those guys are usually shooting
themselves in the foot in several ways.

As Elvia said everyone is different. A one size fits all approach does not work.
You need to know your metabolism. Mine is and was extremely high. I thought
the answer was simply push 5k+ cal and I would grow. Maybe that works for
some guys but for me eating pizza and mcdonalds all the time didn't put on
much muscle. I really started seeing a difference when I got serious about my
protein intake and ate more home cooked meals.

Research shows 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight should be efficient
(Brad Schoenfeld), but it is also noted that dietary programming needs to be
individualized. Hopefully most of you are familiar with the proposed "as close to
500g per day" rule. I do think that is a bit excessive (depending on body
weight). Still, going somewhat against the research I saw much greater
progress pushing my protein intake beyond the 1g/lb threshold. So to me that
is step 1. I recommend experimenting on your own by bumping intake up by
20-40g and keeping it there for a solid month to see how you react. I ended up
doing about 1.2g/lb starting off and have since progressed and pushed it a bit
higher.

The second part is "cleaning up" the diet. Sure caloric surplus = mass but if you
aren't seeking a whole lot of fat GAINZ along with your muscle, not to mention
potential negative side effects from an unhealthy diet, I would suggest taking a
different approach than the SEEFOOD diet. Again everyone is different but for
me eating fast food every day did not yield nearly the results that I had hoped.
Once I realized this, bumped up the protein, and then starting eating the
"boring" meals; chicken rice broccoli, beef rice broccoli, salmon rice broccoli,
body composition improved and I put on more muscle.

Furthermore research HAS shown that multiple meals especially including
protein spread throughout the day IS superior in combination with weight
training for putting on more muscle VS other methods such as eating less than
4 meals or intermittent fasting. That's right if you want to put on muscle
intermittent fasting is NOT optimal. But if that's what it takes for you to stick to
your diet then by all means do it.

I started with 4 meals per day. Then 5. Then 6. Now sometimes I make it to 7.
I do what I have to to hit 6 meals whether that means getting up during my
sleep cycle to have a meal, or making a double shake to get all my cals in.
Currently debating to keep it a solid 7 or just bumping up my calories for 6
meals once I start "bulking" again. Keep in mind I am counting shakes as
meals. Right now I work 50+ hours a week between two jobs, not including
drive time. Theoretically I probably COULD eat all of those meals if I really
wanted to but it's not only convenient but fairly cheap the way I do my shakes.

I did used to do pre-made mass gainers such as Elvia mentioned. Mutant Mass
is actually one of my favorites that shit is delicious, and I would actually
consider buying it again. I'm not a fan of Optimum's flavors AT ALL I really
don't know how anyone can drink that brand. If I remember their mass gainer
does taste a bit better than their whey for some reason. Last time I bought
their protein I actually returned it because it is that bad to me. If you've tried
15-20 other brands like I have you know ON isn't that great.

I like my shakes thick, but I'm cutting so I don't want to use milk. My little hack
which has a two-fold benefit is to use egg whites. Not only does it make it
thicker but that's about another 26g of protein without the fat or carbs you
would get from milk. So right now, 8oz egg whites, 1 scoop of isolate, and
1tbsp peanut butter is my usual shake right now. Want to make it a mass
gainer shake? Simple. Blend up some oats, add some fruit, more peanut butter,
some milk, whatever you want to bump up the carbs and caloires. People
always point out how real food is better than shakes but I think if you are
making your shakes with egg whites and oats it's pretty real.

I know some people are on the go all day, their meals or shakes aren't going to
stay cold. Six pack bags suck by the way. One tip I will throw out there for
those people is if you must eat out make sure you get something lean that will
be worth your money. If you go to Chipotle just grab a double chicken and rice
bowl. Or at a burger joint go for the grilled chicken sandwich. Have it lettuce
wrapped or skip the fries. Stick to water or diet soda. If you are getting
everything full flavor full carbs full toppings you are not going to be hungry for
hours and it will make it difficult to hit higher protein and number of meals.

Last thing I would throw in and this probably isn't a problem for most people.
But once I started eating all my prepped meals and shakes I would actually
FORGET to ever have any kind of cheat meal. Might sound weird but I could go
weeks just eating clean. If you are a true "hardgainer"/have a high metabolism
I would suggest once a week having a meal that is very calorie dense. I would
still try to keep the protein high but don't worry about the carbs and fats.

Really this is all about experimenting and finding what works for you. You might
have a somewhat high metabolism but find you lose your abs when you do
certain things with your diet. You might gain muscle on 180g protein and you
might need more.

I also think that training style plays a big part but that's a whole different
debatable topic to get in to so I'll leave it at that for now.

TLDR Hardgainer Tips:

1. Increase Protein
2. Clean up the diet
3. Eat 4-6 meals
4. Use egg whites or even whole eggs and oats and/or fruit to make your own
mass gainers.
5. Eat lean on the go keep protein high
6. Have one cheat meal a week
 
Planned on writing an ebook sometime for hardgainers, being that I started at
6'3" 150 lbs. I was one of those "I can eat whatever I want and not gain a
pound" people. Now I laugh because I know those guys are usually shooting
themselves in the foot in several ways.

As Elvia said everyone is different. A one size fits all approach does not work.
You need to know your metabolism. Mine is and was extremely high. I thought
the answer was simply push 5k+ cal and I would grow. Maybe that works for
some guys but for me eating pizza and mcdonalds all the time didn't put on
much muscle. I really started seeing a difference when I got serious about my
protein intake and ate more home cooked meals.

Research shows 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight should be efficient
(Brad Schoenfeld), but it is also noted that dietary programming needs to be
individualized. Hopefully most of you are familiar with the proposed "as close to
500g per day" rule. I do think that is a bit excessive (depending on body
weight). Still, going somewhat against the research I saw much greater
progress pushing my protein intake beyond the 1g/lb threshold. So to me that
is step 1. I recommend experimenting on your own by bumping intake up by
20-40g and keeping it there for a solid month to see how you react. I ended up
doing about 1.2g/lb starting off and have since progressed and pushed it a bit
higher.

The second part is "cleaning up" the diet. Sure caloric surplus = mass but if you
aren't seeking a whole lot of fat GAINZ along with your muscle, not to mention
potential negative side effects from an unhealthy diet, I would suggest taking a
different approach than the SEEFOOD diet. Again everyone is different but for
me eating fast food every day did not yield nearly the results that I had hoped.
Once I realized this, bumped up the protein, and then starting eating the
"boring" meals; chicken rice broccoli, beef rice broccoli, salmon rice broccoli,
body composition improved and I put on more muscle.

Furthermore research HAS shown that multiple meals especially including
protein spread throughout the day IS superior in combination with weight
training for putting on more muscle VS other methods such as eating less than
4 meals or intermittent fasting. That's right if you want to put on muscle
intermittent fasting is NOT optimal. But if that's what it takes for you to stick to
your diet then by all means do it.

I started with 4 meals per day. Then 5. Then 6. Now sometimes I make it to 7.
I do what I have to to hit 6 meals whether that means getting up during my
sleep cycle to have a meal, or making a double shake to get all my cals in.
Currently debating to keep it a solid 7 or just bumping up my calories for 6
meals once I start "bulking" again. Keep in mind I am counting shakes as
meals. Right now I work 50+ hours a week between two jobs, not including
drive time. Theoretically I probably COULD eat all of those meals if I really
wanted to but it's not only convenient but fairly cheap the way I do my shakes.

I did used to do pre-made mass gainers such as Elvia mentioned. Mutant Mass
is actually one of my favorites that shit is delicious, and I would actually
consider buying it again. I'm not a fan of Optimum's flavors AT ALL I really
don't know how anyone can drink that brand. If I remember their mass gainer
does taste a bit better than their whey for some reason. Last time I bought
their protein I actually returned it because it is that bad to me. If you've tried
15-20 other brands like I have you know ON isn't that great.

I like my shakes thick, but I'm cutting so I don't want to use milk. My little hack
which has a two-fold benefit is to use egg whites. Not only does it make it
thicker but that's about another 26g of protein without the fat or carbs you
would get from milk. So right now, 8oz egg whites, 1 scoop of isolate, and
1tbsp peanut butter is my usual shake right now. Want to make it a mass
gainer shake? Simple. Blend up some oats, add some fruit, more peanut butter,
some milk, whatever you want to bump up the carbs and caloires. People
always point out how real food is better than shakes but I think if you are
making your shakes with egg whites and oats it's pretty real.

I know some people are on the go all day, their meals or shakes aren't going to
stay cold. Six pack bags suck by the way. One tip I will throw out there for
those people is if you must eat out make sure you get something lean that will
be worth your money. If you go to Chipotle just grab a double chicken and rice
bowl. Or at a burger joint go for the grilled chicken sandwich. Have it lettuce
wrapped or skip the fries. Stick to water or diet soda. If you are getting
everything full flavor full carbs full toppings you are not going to be hungry for
hours and it will make it difficult to hit higher protein and number of meals.

Last thing I would throw in and this probably isn't a problem for most people.
But once I started eating all my prepped meals and shakes I would actually
FORGET to ever have any kind of cheat meal. Might sound weird but I could go
weeks just eating clean. If you are a true "hardgainer"/have a high metabolism
I would suggest once a week having a meal that is very calorie dense. I would
still try to keep the protein high but don't worry about the carbs and fats.

Really this is all about experimenting and finding what works for you. You might
have a somewhat high metabolism but find you lose your abs when you do
certain things with your diet. You might gain muscle on 180g protein and you
might need more.

I also think that training style plays a big part but that's a whole different
debatable topic to get in to so I'll leave it at that for now.

TLDR Hardgainer Tips:

1. Increase Protein
2. Clean up the diet
3. Eat 4-6 meals
4. Use egg whites or even whole eggs and oats and/or fruit to make your own
mass gainers.
5. Eat lean on the go keep protein high
6. Have one cheat meal a week

I thought my posts were long :D Great post and I completely agree. I am going to bed now and there are many things I could mention but I will go with the protein intake. Like with anything there is a spectrum and both sides can be correct. That's the annoying thing on the forums at times as some guys are so black or white with no grey in a sense. Like they may read your post and what they take from it is 500g protein is so bad for you and totally not needed like you are stating you have to do it that exact way.

Most don't need as much protein as they think and I can maintain everything on 100g protein. However I 100% agree with you in every way and pushing the protein will yield great results for most people. Big A posted about trying to get to 500g protein and it is extreme but if I push the protein with adequate carbs/fats I just put on quality muscle. I only look better for it. It is much harder to do though for many including myself as high carbs such as my pasta meals are very easy to do. Whereas taking in 50g protein 10 times per day (for example) is very hard. It should go without stating there are stages to this so you just don't do 500g protein. You do 200g, 250g, 300g, 350g and so on. Plus 500g isn't some magical number and many way be fine with 300g or 400g but sure pushing the protein high is a great way up the mountain to attaining optimal muscle gains (as you stated in your post). Carbs are protein sparing but protein is what builds muscle so a very high intake with everything else in place will only lead to solid muscle gains/retention.

At the moment because my carbs are so high my protein intake doesn't have to be huge. I am happy with approx 300g per day. When I diet next I will lower carbs and increase protein and by the end my protein will be very high and I know with everything else in place I will look my best ever.
 
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Wish there was better weight gainers...

The maltodextrin in these is corn based , which causes many (me) stomach issues.

The whey is concentrate which causes many (me) stomach issues.

Making my own out of whey iso, maltodextrin from rice, can sugar, and bananas is better way to go.
Oats bloat and keep one full too long imo.
 
Works like a charm.

Now that I'm back in college and on a budget, I even have most of my meals from a (quality, it's oats and whey) weight gain powder since it's simply the most cost- and time-effective thing to do for me now. (I also don't believe in whole food calories being superior like so many in the fitness scene still do) So I'm at the extreme end of doing this.
 
A little trick I've done is added in a meal, usually my second or third meal, that is flavored egg whites and dark chocolate. Not a huge amount of volume by any means, but it's a quick 55 grams of protein, 25 grams of carbs and 16 grams of fat, and I have no problem having a solid meal an hour or so later. I struggle with appetite more often than not, so even this one added meal makes a huge difference for me in the offseason.
 
I thought my posts were long :D Great post and I completely agree. I am going to bed now and there are many things I could mention but I will go with the protein intake. Like with anything there is a spectrum and both sides can be correct. That's the annoying thing on the forums at times as some guys are so black or white with no grey in a sense. Like they may read your post and what they take from it is 500g protein is so bad for you and totally not needed like you are stating you have to do it that exact way.

Most don't need as much protein as they think and I can maintain everything on 100g protein. However I 100% agree with you in every way and pushing the protein will yield great results for most people. Big A posted about trying to get to 500g protein and it is extreme but if I push the protein with adequate carbs/fats I just put on quality muscle. I only look better for it. It is much harder to do though for many including myself as high carbs such as my pasta meals are very easy to do. Whereas taking in 50g protein 10 times per day (for example) is very hard. It should go without stating there are stages to this so you just don't do 500g protein. You do 200g, 250g, 300g, 350g and so on. Plus 500g isn't some magical number and many way be fine with 300g or 400g but sure pushing the protein high is a great way up the mountain to attaining optimal muscle gains (as you stated in your post). Carbs are protein sparing but protein is what builds muscle so a very high intake with everything else in place will only lead to solid muscle gains/retention.

At the moment because my carbs are so high my protein intake doesn't have to be huge. I am happy with approx 300g per day. When I diet next I will lower carbs and increase protein and by the end my protein will be very high and I know with everything else in place I will look my best ever.

Also though...one can replace alot with aminos
 
Also though...one can replace alot with aminos

Very true. I drink quite a lot of aminos but probably more so when I am cutting. I tend to drink them between all meals. They tend to be much lighter on my stomach that whey proteins. Although I am still having them now 1-2 times daily not counting my intra shake that is always EAA's and HBCD's or Vitargo (etc).

Wish there was better weight gainers...

The maltodextrin in these is corn based , which causes many (me) stomach issues.

The whey is concentrate which causes many (me) stomach issues.

Making my own out of whey iso, maltodextrin from rice, can sugar, and bananas is better way to go.
Oats bloat and keep one full too long imo.

Yes this could be a big problem for some. The larger the grams the more issues as well. Drinking large shakes over 20-60 mins can help loads but for some they simply don't respond well to certain ingredients. In that case doing what you do is the best option and finding what you respond best to and using just those ingredients. I definitely get some issues with some drinks and whey concentrate is one. However 50g whey over 30-60 mins and no issues but then you have the huge carbs but I don't do too bad. For many blending cooked white rice could be a good option. If I were doing that I would also add some fruit as well.
 
I will be getting my Dymatize tomorrow.

I have a very active job so I'm not concerned about fat gain at all, I think it would be different if I had a different job with less activity, my job is extremely physical all day, which also makes it hard to stop and eat whole meals so these shakes will definitely be a benefit.
 
It is not what you eat but what you digest.
 
Got my Dymatize super mass gainer today, I mixed 1/2 serving and drank it over 20min, taste isn't to bad actually.

I got Rich Chocolate if your wondering
 
I am still using 2 shakes most days. I am up to about 34mg tren a per day. I am also using synthetine/syntheselen which is a big factor in minimizing potential fat gain on such a high carb diet. Tonight I also added IGF-1 LR3 at 100mcg post workout. My 2 meals after dosing LR3 will always contain 150-200g carbs each. Tonight I had 200g carbs from pasta and then 150g from rice cereal. Although many days the first meal post inj will be a shake as discussed in this thread.

My plan is to carry this on and gain size, strength and fullness. Over time I will lower carbs and increase protein. During that time my shakes will also be much more balanced containing no more than approx 80g carbs.

I recommend if you want to do something like this to do so in cycles. It should go without stating to keep an eye on insulin sensitivity when consuming so many carbs. As already discussed high carbs can be a disaster for some people but in the right circumstances can have great effect. It's also important to move up in stages with all of this.
 
This works. I always preferred muscle blast. Kroger sells it. That would be in addition to my normal meals.

Another trick I like to do, I've been drinking an isopure post workout for as long as I can remember. I like to add 10 grams of creatine to it. If I'm on an oral, the cell volume increase is very obvious.
 

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