Calorie and protine needs while taking LBA's

[Gunsmith]

This past week I ran my cals down to 1000 a day geting all my carbs in the AM from oatmeal and wheat bread the rest was from protine and fats throughout the day , i also consumed 8tbl spoons LBA's throughout the day to help make up for the lack of food protine. It took 4 days for the calorie reduction to realy take its toll which was realy just on my endurace.

So I'm wondering with consuming this many LBA"s throughout the day how much protine from food is realy needed. I was planning to bring my cals back up to the 2800 range all clean , getting my carbs in the AM from oatmeal the rest will come early in the afternoon from brown rice , fats are from the fish and chicken along with omega caps with peanutbutter early in the day.

I'm right around the 270ish lb range and think that I need to loose around 25lbs to be ready for my first show. I'm doing cardio 3 times a week and will soon be upping that to 5 with 3 days being in the AM in a fasted state , I'm currently running 500mg Sus per week and just got my package in from Synthetek with Syntheselene and Synthetine and will start that this weekend.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Wow

This past week I ran my cals down to 1000 a day geting all my carbs in the AM from oatmeal and wheat bread the rest was from protine and fats throughout the day , i also consumed 8tbl spoons LBA's throughout the day to help make up for the lack of food protine. It took 4 days for the calorie reduction to realy take its toll which was realy just on my endurace.

So I'm wondering with consuming this many LBA"s throughout the day how much protine from food is realy needed. I was planning to bring my cals back up to the 2800 range all clean , getting my carbs in the AM from oatmeal the rest will come early in the afternoon from brown rice , fats are from the fish and chicken along with omega caps with peanutbutter early in the day.

I'm right around the 270ish lb range and think that I need to loose around 25lbs to be ready for my first show. I'm doing cardio 3 times a week and will soon be upping that to 5 with 3 days being in the AM in a fasted state , I'm currently running 500mg Sus per week and just got my package in from Synthetek with Syntheselene and Synthetine and will start that this weekend.

Those questions simply cannot be answered. You are throwing numbers out there that make no sense at all to us.

 

[inoverdrive]

Well if you are using the 1.5 to 2 grams per bodyweight then go by that. Maybe I am missing something. But if you are taking in 8tbls of LBA that is going to be 40 grams of protein, so you would need at least another 365 grams of protein (if using 1.5 per lb). I get at least a third of my protein from LBA's and whey protein. I dont know if that helps or not. Also why are you going down to 1000 cals a day.

 

[pesty4077]

Well if you are using the 1.5 to 2 grams per bodyweight then go by that. Maybe I am missing something. But if you are taking in 8tbls of LBA that is going to be 40 grams of protein, so you would need at least another 365 grams of protein (if using 1.5 per lb). I get at least a third of my protein from LBA's and whey protein. I dont know if that helps or not. Also why are you going down to 1000 cals a day.

My feelings exactly about the calories, Calorie deficentcy will lead to muscle loss, not fat. Maybe, he needs to understand about Basic Metabolic Rate.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

ooooooooo

My feelings exactly about the calories, Calorie deficentcy will lead to muscle loss, not fat. Maybe, he needs to understand about Basic Metabolic Rate.

Better show me the study backing up that claim.....NO FAT LOSS, JUST MUSCLE on a calorie restricted diet?

 

[pesty4077]

Better show me the study backing up that claim.....NO FAT LOSS, JUST MUSCLE on a calorie restricted diet?

Actually Phil, I said it out of content, I meant if your calories are way too low, your body will start out losing fat, but will eventually turn over to the muscle.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

whew!

Actually Phil, I said it out of content, I meant if your calories are way too low, your body will start out losing fat, but will eventually turn over to the muscle.

haahhahhahah I know what you meant. It can lose muscle yes, but...............there are certain steps to take to prevent that.

 

[inoverdrive]

Actually Phil, I said it out of content, I meant if your calories are way too low, your body will start out losing fat, but will eventually turn over to the muscle.

I always "assumed" that if you lowered your cals that much that you may lose water then muscle. The body thinks its starving so it will hold on to the fat. Im sure Phil can set my thinking straight on this because I dont know.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Hahahhaahh

I always "assumed" that if you lowered your cals that much that you may lose water then muscle. The body thinks its starving so it will hold on to the fat. Im sure Phil can set my thinking straight on this because I dont know.

Show me a fat starving person.......... I know what you mean......the BF % of anorexics is actually high! It all comes down to manipulating many factors and allowing your body to lose the fat and not the muscle.......that is what I teach my clients to do. I just don't give them a diet and say, "Here you go". It takes time to understand ourselves, and that is the process I walk you through. Me handing you a workout/supplement/diet routine teaches you NOTHING, and it is not responsible training on my part.

 

[Dangkolo]

Show me a fat starving person.......... I know what you mean......the BF % of anorexics is actually high! It all comes down to manipulating many factors and allowing your body to lose the fat and not the muscle.......that is what I teach my clients to do. I just don't give them a diet and say, "Here you go". It takes time to understand ourselves, and that is the process I walk you through. Me handing you a workout/supplement/diet routine teaches you NOTHING, and it is not responsible training on my part.

BINGO!

 

[Force245]

Show me a fat starving person.......... I know what you mean......the BF % of anorexics is actually high! It all comes down to manipulating many factors and allowing your body to lose the fat and not the muscle.......that is what I teach my clients to do. I just don't give them a diet and say, "Here you go". It takes time to understand ourselves, and that is the process I walk you through. Me handing you a workout/supplement/diet routine teaches you NOTHING, and it is not responsible training on my part.

Phil's knowledge is so simple, basic, full of common sense. And it works. You know Phil, if I were a Chihuahua [spelling} you know the Taco Bell dog] I would hump you leg. HA.

 

[gordo14]

Just a thought....

With the lba's they are more readily available, and have a better absorbtion rate so the 1.5 to 2 grams per pound isn't nessacery right???? Just wondering.

 

[pesty4077]

Show me a fat starving person.......... I know what you mean......the BF % of anorexics is actually high! It all comes down to manipulating many factors and allowing your body to lose the fat and not the muscle.......that is what I teach my clients to do. I just don't give them a diet and say, "Here you go". It takes time to understand ourselves, and that is the process I walk you through. Me handing you a workout/supplement/diet routine teaches you NOTHING, and it is not responsible training on my part.

Good, solid advice coming from a Pro

 

[gordo14]

Phil's knowledge is so simple, basic, full of common sense. And it works. You know Phil, if I were a Chihuahua [spelling} you know the Taco Bell dog] I would hump you leg. HA.

 

[loganb_football]

Actually Phil, I said it out of content, I meant if your calories are way too low, your body will start out losing fat, but will eventually turn over to the muscle.

This is a process that eventually happens when fat loss stores are almost depleted. But before this happends bodily functions begin to slow down, to try and counteract the loss of fat... (i.e. metabolism, hair growth, heart rate, etc...) Muscle is basically the last thing to go, unless you are put into stressful situations initiating a fight or flight response. The body will need to use something for glucose, in which it may break down muscle tissue...

I believe that somewhere I read though, that we have a reserve of glucose, even when on a keto diet. Maybe this is to compensate for the fight or flight response, instead of breaking down the muscle...

Phil this may seem like a rediculous question, but the anorexics I have withnessed are ones who are either sedentary, or cardio addicts. I have not witnessed an anorexic lift weights... However, if you put one on a weightlifting routine (weights heavy as possible), aesthetically do you think they would have a decent bodyfat composition, because the body has a reason to hold onto the muscle one has?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Exactly

With the lba's they are more readily available, and have a better absorbtion rate so the 1.5 to 2 grams per pound isn't nessacery right???? Just wondering.

Not necessary at all. Good point

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Good point

This is a process that eventually happens when fat loss stores are almost depleted. But before this happends bodily functions begin to slow down, to try and counteract the loss of fat... (i.e. metabolism, hair growth, heart rate, etc...) Muscle is basically the last thing to go, unless you are put into stressful situations initiating a fight or flight response. The body will need to use something for glucose, in which it may break down muscle tissue...

I believe that somewhere I read though, that we have a reserve of glucose, even when on a keto diet. Maybe this is to compensate for the fight or flight response, instead of breaking down the muscle...

Phil this may seem like a rediculous question, but the anorexics I have withnessed are ones who are either sedentary, or cardio addicts. I have not witnessed an anorexic lift weights... However, if you put one on a weightlifting routine (weights heavy as possible), aesthetically do you think they would have a decent bodyfat composition, because the body has a reason to hold onto the muscle one has?

Seems likely, but it would come down to protein turnover and protein intake. LBAs would be their answer actually. Weight lifting and a great protein, well balanced diet would give the them the "look" that they crave......

 

[loganb_football]

Seems likely, but it would come down to protein turnover and protein intake. LBAs would be their answer actually. Weight lifting and a great protein, well balanced diet would give the them the "look" that they crave......

Thanks for the quick reply!

 

[Gunsmith]

I was only on the 1000 cal diet for 4 days , my weight training has gone from moderatly heavy with reps in the 8-12 range to lighter with reps in the 15-30 range this along with the anabolics I figured that their would be little to no muscle loss for such a short period of time

consisting of 300 grams of protine from both food and shakes (not counting the LBA's)
200 grams of complex carbs from food and very little sugar from 6-8oz skim milk in the AM
50 grams of fats from almonds , chicken and peanut butter , not counting the omega supplement caps I take.

So actualy I guess I'm getting around 2500 cals a day rather than 2800 not counting the omegas and LBA's

So with all the expert oppinions we have here how would you guys reconfigure this setup to optimize fat loss? I understand that everybody is differant and that their is no certain formula that everybody can follow but what percentages would be used for optimum fat reduction

 

[Gunsmith]

No more oppinions ??