Can you EVER conquer a WEAK Bodypart?

[Massive G]

After 15 plus years of training every which way but loose, the same "weak" parts I had from the get go are still there. Yea I am bigger all over but...for example:
My Chest Back Shoulder and legs over power my upper arms and calves. Now to me a big part of this is shape and muscle length, as at my largest (heaviest not prettiest) my arms were 21, and calves were 19.

Lack of peak on the biceps hinders me as well as ideal shape on da calf muscles. (please don't mention oil injections to me as that isn't an option I ever want to go.)

I have seen 100's of posts about bringing up weak body parts.
Most involve specialization and training a body part harder.
I tried a lot for my arms training wise and nothing really worked to get them up no matter how big I tried to get.
the greatest appreciable gains I have ever made with arms was training them smarter, not harder or more frequently. I did no direct curls or extensions for the bis or triceps at all.
I used a reverse grip on my chins, lat pulls and BB rows. I did nothing special for the tris as my chest and shoulder workouts were littered with heavy pressing movements.

I believe one can bring weak body parts up through specialized training and recuperation techniques but those body parts will always lag behind the strong ones.


We had a good thread on MM a few years ago that discussed changing muscle shape and fascia stretching. I couldn't find it but it was a good discussion with bodyfx2, DC and fitdoc involved.

Does anyone have any similar experiences to share on how they brought up a weaker body part in alignment with the stronger ones?

Does anyone believe they can alter the shape of their muscles and create hyperplasia through training and drug induced methods?

I see a lot of posts on IGF-1 and hyperplasia and people gaining gobs of weight and muscle-but funny I don't see a whole lot of brutally huge people as a result. Also I see the same PROS display the same weak body parts and muscle imbalances year after year and they are the creame of the crop as far as a measuring stick for gains I would think having everything in order including time (maturity) on their side.

For me training something harder was not the answer as not matter what split I tried I always ended up over training.

I am also continually searching for the ideal system to allow one to train a bodypart as many times a week as possible with optimal recouperation which I wanna discuss in another thread on advanced training for the aging bb'er eventually based on what I have learned on dietary adjustments and training techniques.

Looking for personal opinions and experiences on or with people who have over come weak bodyparts.

 

[Qwert]

Nope!!!!

 

[zephyr22]

Yup I have the same prob....

I have genetically weak chest compared to the rest of my body. Also my biceps are rather long so the peak is not really there. I have tried every split, every specializing, every special exersize to no end. Still my body is much more dense with more muscle but yet still have the laggers. I see it like this the whole body will grow or wont. I dont think you can really pick and choose. However the idea behind site injections with synthol and lots of stretching makes sense to me. That in my mind is probably the only way to "catch up" a body part.

 

[LATS]

conquer.. no.. negotiate.. yes lol.. i believe that one never give up and must be satisfied with any progress irregardless of how small..

 

[Hercules]

i believe the reason so many people still have the same weak body parts year after year is because not only are they increasing the size of their weaker muscles, but they are still getting bigger in their other areas as well. so the weak body parts, although improving, never catch up. i think the key, as hard as it may be to swallow, is to just maintain you're strong points and don't make them any bigger. only focus on making you're weak points grow. it is only once they catch up that you should start making the body grow again as a whole. i know adopting this philosophy has helped me a lot in the past year.

 

[JETHRO TULL]

MASSIVE...I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT...AND I AM IN THE SAME BOAT.

After 15 plus years of training every which way but loose, the same "weak" parts I had from the get go are still there. Yea I am bigger all over but...for example:
My Chest Back Shoulder and legs over power my upper arms and calves. Now to me a big part of this is shape and muscle length, as at my largest (heaviest not prettiest) my arms were 21, and calves were 19.

Lack of peak on the biceps hinders me as well as ideal shape on da calf muscles. (please don't mention oil injections to me as that isn't an option I ever want to go.)

I have seen 100's of posts about bringing up weak body parts.
Most involve specialization and training a body part harder.
I tried a lot for my arms training wise and nothing really worked to get them up no matter how big I tried to get.
the greatest appreciable gains I have ever made with arms was training them smarter, not harder or more frequently. I did no direct curls or extensions for the bis or triceps at all.
I used a reverse grip on my chins, lat pulls and BB rows. I did nothing special for the tris as my chest and shoulder workouts were littered with heavy pressing movements.

I believe one can bring weak body parts up through specialized training and recuperation techniques but those body parts will always lag behind the strong ones.


We had a good thread on MM a few years ago that discussed changing muscle shape and fascia stretching. I couldn't find it but it was a good discussion with bodyfx2, DC and fitdoc involved.

Does anyone have any similar experiences to share on how they brought up a weaker body part in alignment with the stronger ones?

Does anyone believe they can alter the shape of their muscles and create hyperplasia through training and drug induced methods?

I see a lot of posts on IGF-1 and hyperplasia and people gaining gobs of weight and muscle-but funny I don't see a whole lot of brutally huge people as a result. Also I see the same PROS display the same weak body parts and muscle imbalances year after year and they are the creame of the crop as far as a measuring stick for gains I would think having everything in order including time (maturity) on their side.

For me training something harder was not the answer as not matter what split I tried I always ended up over training.

I am also continually searching for the ideal system to allow one to train a bodypart as many times a week as possible with optimal recouperation which I wanna discuss in another thread on advanced training for the aging bb'er eventually based on what I have learned on dietary adjustments and training techniques.

Looking for personal opinions and experiences on or with people who have over come weak bodyparts.

I HAVE SHORT BICEPS AND AM ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SHORT BICEPS. IT ONLY HAS TAKEN ME 20 YEARS TO FIGURE THAT OUT. I ONLY GET BIGGER ARMS WHEN MY WHOLE BODY IS BIGGER....BUT IN RELATION TO EVERYTHING ELSE...THEY ARE STILL SMALLER. LIKE YOU I'VE DONE DAMB NEAR EVERYTHING.....I WILL SAY THE BEST THEY'VE LOOKED IS WHEN I AM NOT TRAINING MUCH [OVERTRAINING] AND I DO ARMS ON THE SAME DAY. BOTH BICEPS AND TRICEPS....PLUS IT'S A LOT OF FUN!

 

[terryd5150]

I managed to.

My chest overpowered everything, but my arms lagged behind everything. I managed to get it all evened out, but I was most proud that I was able to bring my arms up to par with my chest.


I just changed routines and kept changing until I found one that worked great for my arms. I never did SEO or even site injections.


After reading all you guys' posts I guess maybe I just got lucky.

 

[RazorCuts]

If your lagging bodypart is the reason of genetics then of course not. Everyone will have bodyparts that will respond well to any training. But if your lagging bodypart is because of poor training then yes it can be brought up with the right stimulus and movements and again other bodyparts grew because of good genetic factors and would grow on anything. But everyone one will have a bodypart that is not responsive as others. I think this is why
bringing down other parts to create symmetry is important.
You can not change the shape even though some still claim you can. I think you can give an illussion.
Hyperplasia is questionable as many are split. Most experiments have been done on birds and rats/mice. I have seen were many think it will occur in advanced bodybuilders who have great amount of hypertrophy and are on anabolics.
Those who have trained many years can see that genetics play the role in lagging parts as im sure you have tried everything out there. I know from my own 20 yrs of training.

From Master Trainer Site:

Training routines for bodybuilding invariably have been promoted with one main pitch. ‘This routine is different, it’s sure to bring quick and great results, and it’s the secret to developing great - fill in the blank – arms, legs, chest, back, shoulders, abs’.
Inevitably, the muscle group noted happens to be the best muscle group of the celebrity bodybuilder promoting the routine or associated with it.
Assuming (a stretch of the imagination) that such promotions are honestly done with good intent, the underlying premises are:

Different routines produce different outcomes.
A muscle group’s size and shape can be differently affected by different routines and exercises.

Most of us understand that these premises essentially are untrue. And, we understand that genetic factors have much to do with outcomes from training.

I want to take these points a few steps further. These points can help you have a different perspective on your training that is quite positive.


Perspective

I believe that the same routine produces different outcomes dependent upon the individual’s genetic make-up. For example, two people can do the exact same routine over a period of years. One person has the genetic traits for large muscular arms; the other person does not but has the genetic traits for large muscular legs. A few years down the road, our first person has large muscular arms and very average looking legs, while our second person ends up with just the opposite outcomes.

Our first trainee may honestly believe that the routine is the secret to great arm development. Our second trainee may believe that the routine is the secret to great leg development. If either trainee were a celebrity, the routine would be promoted as either the key to great arms or legs.

Of course, neither trainee would have made a correct assessment. The key to any great outcome is to perform any one of a number of reasonable routines and have the right genetic factors to produce that outcome.

People simply respond differently to training and have different relative strengths and weaknesses.

For a person’s relative strengths, any reasonable training routine produces good results. Training works and works well.
This perspective on training, bodybuilding, genetics, and outcomes is not meant to be cynical or negative. Few of us have been duped into believing there are miracle ways to train. But, we may have thought we’re missing something or there are some much better ways to train.

Think about what you do well and where and how you’re responsive. What are the exercises and muscle groups where training works and you have good muscle and/or strength outcomes? A sure bet is that for the exercises and muscle groups that are responsive, the only requirement for continuing to get good outcomes is to keep consistently training in some reasonable way. The same approach is likely giving you as good as can be expected outcomes for any other exercise or muscle group.

There’s no reason to beat yourself up or continue on an endless and most likely futile search for that one great routine that will lead to a total transformation. And, there’s little reason to train in ways you do not find enjoyable with the hope of greatly improving your performance in a given exercise or the responsiveness of a specific muscle group.

RC

 

[RazorCuts]

Article i posted awhile back on hyperplasia.

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15225&highlight=hype