Hey guys... i am going to drop it quick on the big debate.... I am very interested in phils opinion on this as well... long low intensity cardio or HIT (high intensity) cardio? WHat is the very best for loosing bodyfat without loosing any muscle at all? AAS or Natural doesnt matter!!
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cardio question... Phil please?
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i think this is very individual based like most things. I personally like moderately low intensity cardio for no less than 30 min to cut the lbs but i know a bunch of my buddys that wear by HIT. and of course there are those freaks of nature (i hate you all) who barely need to do any cardio to cut the pounds. its really a biological crap shoot as far as i know.
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bursts of intensity
you can do about 12 minutes of cardio and get great results by cruising and bursting out short duration high intensity intervals. cruise at a comfortable pace and every 2 minutes go all out for 30 seconds. do 6 of these and you'll be breathing hard and burning more fat than long duration cardio.
you can do about 12 minutes of cardio and get great results by cruising and bursting out short duration high intensity intervals. cruise at a comfortable pace and every 2 minutes go all out for 30 seconds. do 6 of these and you'll be breathing hard and burning more fat than long duration cardio.
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I`m no Phil but my 02...when i first competed in the late 70`s early 80`s i used to do ten 100 meter sprints per session to get cut...i didn`t know i was doing HIT cardio i just knew it worked...the problem was i also lost A LOT of muscle in the process,typically going from 230 down to about 189...i wish i would have known then what i found out years later...low intesity cardio twice a day 30 to 60 minutes a session is what spares muscle mass and gets you cut.
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That would be great, if you have alot of time to spend training, but for all others, that is alot of cardio. I personally, have done no more than 20 minutes, 3-5 times a week, and I am lean. Of course, I do contribute alot of that to DIET.
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I like Dr. Al Sears theory on cardio....
Is your heart shrinking?
All these years, you thought you
were doing something good for your heart.
Dr. Sears sets you straight. Look at “Cardio”
from Your Heart's Perspective
By Al Sears, MD
Look at any rack of fitness magazines and you'll see the covers loaded with the advice that you need “cardio.” Go to any gym and the trainer will devote some of your time to “cardio.” You probably don't like it, yet you feel compelled to comply. After all, who doesn't want a healthy heart?
Common parlance has even accepted the term “cardio” (short for cardiovascular endurance training) as synonymous with exercise for your heart. But shouldn't exercise make that body part stronger? When you study the heart's changes from cardiovascular endurance training, you find it getting weaker in some critical capacities that simulate the changes caused by stress and aging.
Routinely forcing your body to perform the same continuous cardiovascular challenge by repeating the same movement, at the same rate, thousands of times over, without variation, without rest, is unnatural. By that I mean our ancestors didn't regularly stress their cardiovascular systems in this manner. Sure, this type of demand could have occurred rarely, but not in the daily environment of a native society in balance with its surroundings.
Yet nature has designed your body to adapt to whatever environment it encounters. If you ask it to perform an activity repeatedly and routinely, it will gradually change the systems involved to meet the challenge more effectively. But what adaptive changes does continuous cardiovascular activity cause?
Continuous duration taxing your endurance produces some unique challenges your body must overcome. It must not run out of fuel, overheat, or be overwhelmed with metabolic wastes. Its primary adaptation will be to become more efficient at light, long, continuous, low output. One of the ways that your body adapts is by gradually rebuilding your heart, lungs, blood vessels, and muscles into the smallest possible form while still maintaining the minimum “horsepower” required to perform the activity.
You waste fuel and raw material with a Ferrari sized engine going 20 miles per hour. Forced, continuous endurance exercise induces your heart and lungs to “downsize” because smaller allows you to go further… more efficiently…and with less rest… and less fuel.
The Danger of “Downsizing” Your Heart's Capacity
So what's wrong with increasing durational capacity through downsizing? Instead of building heart strength, your body robs your heart of vital reserve capacity. Your heart's reserve capacity is that portion of its maximal output that you don't use during usual activity. Let's go back to the car analogy. Say you normally drive at a speed of 40 miles per hour, but your car has the ability to speed up to a top speed of 140 miles per hour. If you think of your heart as the engine, your reserve capacity is the difference between your normal cruising speed and that top speed.
So if you downsize your heart and lungs, you have traded reserve capacity for efficiency at continuous duration. This then forces these vital organs to operate dangerously close to their maximal output when circumstances challenge them. For your heart, this is a problem you don't need.
Heart attacks don't occur because of a lack of endurance. They occur when there is a sudden increase in cardiac demand that exceeds your heart's capacity. Giving up your heart's reserve capacity to adapt to unnatural bouts of continuous prolonged duration only increases your risk of sudden cardiac death.
A ground-breaking study of long-distance runners showed that, after a workout, the blood levels and oxidation of LDL (bad) cholesterol and triglycerides increased. Researchers also found thatprolonged running disrupted the balance of blood thinners and thickeners, elevating inflammatory factors and clotting levels – both signs of heart distress.
Long-Duration Exercisers
Showed Signs of Heart Distress
Increased LDL Cholesterol & Triglycerides
Increased Oxidation of Cholesterol
Elevated Clotting & Inflammation Factors
These changes do not reflect a heart that's becoming stronger after exercise.
Exercising for long periods makes your heart adept at handling a 60-minute jog, but it accomplishes this feat by trading in its ability to rapidly provide you with big bursts when circumstances might demand. The real key to preventing heart disease and protecting and strengthening your heart is to induce the opposite adaptive response produced by continuous cardio and increase your heart's reserve capacity. Bigger, fastercardiac output that's readily available is what you really need.
Recent clinical studies show us the benefit of avoiding long-duration routines and exercising in shorter bursts. Researchers from the University of Missouri found that short bouts of exercise were more effective for lowering fat and triglyceride levels in the blood. (High triglycerides dramatically increase your risk of heart disease.)
Another study revealed that the duration of exercise routines predicts the risk of heart disease in men. They found that several shorter sessions of physical activity were more effective for lowering the risk of coronary heart disease.
The Secret to a “Hundred-Year Heart” is Millions of Years Old
Our ancestors lived in a world where their food fought back. Predators attacked without notice. Humans had to run or fight – fast and hard. These short bursts of high-output activity fine-tuned our ancient ancestors and kept them fit. We still have the same physiology.
How do you recreate that kind of challenge? The key is to create an “oxygen debt.” Simply exercise at a pace you can't sustain for more than a short period. Ask your lungs for more oxygen than they can provide.
The difference between the oxygen you need and the oxygen you get is your oxygen debt. This will cause you to pant and continue to breathe hard even after you've stopped the exertion (until you replace the oxygen you're lacking).
Here's an example: Let's say you pedal as fast as you can on a bike for 15 seconds. When you stop, you continue to pant. This is the kind of high-output challenge you can't sustain for very long. You have reached a supra-aerobic zone. This is very different from doing an aerobic workout for 45 minutes.
Or you can try doing one-minute intervals – either running or riding a bike. Work yourself up to a speed that you cannot sustain for very long. After one minute, rest. You can do this by slowing down to a very slow speed or you can stop altogether if you need to. Do this 3 or 4 times.
With these types of interval exercises, you'll quickly start to build up reserve capacity in your heart. This is exactly what you need to prevent heart attacks and heart disease.
To Your Good Health,
Al Sears, MD
Is your heart shrinking?
All these years, you thought you
were doing something good for your heart.
Dr. Sears sets you straight. Look at “Cardio”
from Your Heart's Perspective
By Al Sears, MD
Look at any rack of fitness magazines and you'll see the covers loaded with the advice that you need “cardio.” Go to any gym and the trainer will devote some of your time to “cardio.” You probably don't like it, yet you feel compelled to comply. After all, who doesn't want a healthy heart?
Common parlance has even accepted the term “cardio” (short for cardiovascular endurance training) as synonymous with exercise for your heart. But shouldn't exercise make that body part stronger? When you study the heart's changes from cardiovascular endurance training, you find it getting weaker in some critical capacities that simulate the changes caused by stress and aging.
Routinely forcing your body to perform the same continuous cardiovascular challenge by repeating the same movement, at the same rate, thousands of times over, without variation, without rest, is unnatural. By that I mean our ancestors didn't regularly stress their cardiovascular systems in this manner. Sure, this type of demand could have occurred rarely, but not in the daily environment of a native society in balance with its surroundings.
Yet nature has designed your body to adapt to whatever environment it encounters. If you ask it to perform an activity repeatedly and routinely, it will gradually change the systems involved to meet the challenge more effectively. But what adaptive changes does continuous cardiovascular activity cause?
Continuous duration taxing your endurance produces some unique challenges your body must overcome. It must not run out of fuel, overheat, or be overwhelmed with metabolic wastes. Its primary adaptation will be to become more efficient at light, long, continuous, low output. One of the ways that your body adapts is by gradually rebuilding your heart, lungs, blood vessels, and muscles into the smallest possible form while still maintaining the minimum “horsepower” required to perform the activity.
You waste fuel and raw material with a Ferrari sized engine going 20 miles per hour. Forced, continuous endurance exercise induces your heart and lungs to “downsize” because smaller allows you to go further… more efficiently…and with less rest… and less fuel.
The Danger of “Downsizing” Your Heart's Capacity
So what's wrong with increasing durational capacity through downsizing? Instead of building heart strength, your body robs your heart of vital reserve capacity. Your heart's reserve capacity is that portion of its maximal output that you don't use during usual activity. Let's go back to the car analogy. Say you normally drive at a speed of 40 miles per hour, but your car has the ability to speed up to a top speed of 140 miles per hour. If you think of your heart as the engine, your reserve capacity is the difference between your normal cruising speed and that top speed.
So if you downsize your heart and lungs, you have traded reserve capacity for efficiency at continuous duration. This then forces these vital organs to operate dangerously close to their maximal output when circumstances challenge them. For your heart, this is a problem you don't need.
Heart attacks don't occur because of a lack of endurance. They occur when there is a sudden increase in cardiac demand that exceeds your heart's capacity. Giving up your heart's reserve capacity to adapt to unnatural bouts of continuous prolonged duration only increases your risk of sudden cardiac death.
A ground-breaking study of long-distance runners showed that, after a workout, the blood levels and oxidation of LDL (bad) cholesterol and triglycerides increased. Researchers also found thatprolonged running disrupted the balance of blood thinners and thickeners, elevating inflammatory factors and clotting levels – both signs of heart distress.
Long-Duration Exercisers
Showed Signs of Heart Distress
Increased LDL Cholesterol & Triglycerides
Increased Oxidation of Cholesterol
Elevated Clotting & Inflammation Factors
These changes do not reflect a heart that's becoming stronger after exercise.
Exercising for long periods makes your heart adept at handling a 60-minute jog, but it accomplishes this feat by trading in its ability to rapidly provide you with big bursts when circumstances might demand. The real key to preventing heart disease and protecting and strengthening your heart is to induce the opposite adaptive response produced by continuous cardio and increase your heart's reserve capacity. Bigger, fastercardiac output that's readily available is what you really need.
Recent clinical studies show us the benefit of avoiding long-duration routines and exercising in shorter bursts. Researchers from the University of Missouri found that short bouts of exercise were more effective for lowering fat and triglyceride levels in the blood. (High triglycerides dramatically increase your risk of heart disease.)
Another study revealed that the duration of exercise routines predicts the risk of heart disease in men. They found that several shorter sessions of physical activity were more effective for lowering the risk of coronary heart disease.
The Secret to a “Hundred-Year Heart” is Millions of Years Old
Our ancestors lived in a world where their food fought back. Predators attacked without notice. Humans had to run or fight – fast and hard. These short bursts of high-output activity fine-tuned our ancient ancestors and kept them fit. We still have the same physiology.
How do you recreate that kind of challenge? The key is to create an “oxygen debt.” Simply exercise at a pace you can't sustain for more than a short period. Ask your lungs for more oxygen than they can provide.
The difference between the oxygen you need and the oxygen you get is your oxygen debt. This will cause you to pant and continue to breathe hard even after you've stopped the exertion (until you replace the oxygen you're lacking).
Here's an example: Let's say you pedal as fast as you can on a bike for 15 seconds. When you stop, you continue to pant. This is the kind of high-output challenge you can't sustain for very long. You have reached a supra-aerobic zone. This is very different from doing an aerobic workout for 45 minutes.
Or you can try doing one-minute intervals – either running or riding a bike. Work yourself up to a speed that you cannot sustain for very long. After one minute, rest. You can do this by slowing down to a very slow speed or you can stop altogether if you need to. Do this 3 or 4 times.
With these types of interval exercises, you'll quickly start to build up reserve capacity in your heart. This is exactly what you need to prevent heart attacks and heart disease.
To Your Good Health,
Al Sears, MD
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Interesting article, the argument presented is compelling.
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I have personally done more HIT myself in the past... so that is usually the way I lean... but I have always found out that I lost more muscle with interval training if I was juiced or natural. So I guess thats more of the debate. Instead of which one causes the quickest or best fat loss... maybe the question should be which one preserves the most muscle? I dunno just pondering the question. I just always felt 1 to 2 hours of cardio a day would just eat up muscle.....
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Exactly
I always have my guys do short bursts of cardio.......closer towards the show we can do more short bursts.........long durations of cardio helps nothing or no one...........but we cant save the world so let them go.
I always have my guys do short bursts of cardio.......closer towards the show we can do more short bursts.........long durations of cardio helps nothing or no one...........but we cant save the world so let them go.
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